Gun threat

[DeluxAuto]

Banning guns reduces gun violence. If it only cuts it to 20% of what we have now, I’m okay with that.

He's not a critical thinker

 

[AlexBailey]

Your data is too generalized and therefore lacks the ability to actually show the truth. It is the equivalent of saying that Earth has a gun violence problem compared to the rest of the universe.

Which makes the statement meaningless.

So, if you really want to discuss the stats, then delve into them and post what cities in those red states have gun violence problems. THEN post about the leadership of those same cities.

At that point we will see if the true problem lies in conservative states or if it's actually the result of Democrat run cities. Which begs the question of whether conservatives are any part of the problem at all or if gun violence goes hand in hand with Democrats and their policies no matter where the Democrat lives.

Gotta love those “which came first, the chicken or the egg?” situations, ‘eh?

People who live in cities are more inclined to vote for democratic ideas and candidates. Why do you suppose this is true?

The difference in the ratio is huge. Only 26 of the 100 largest cities are Republican. Only 16% of the population of large cities are under republican leadership.

So yeah, it makes sense that most gun deaths that happen in cities happen in democratically lead cities.






https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliation_of_the_mayors_of_the_100_largest_cities


It points out how blue city populations can be subjected to the tyranny of the minority of red rural voters, especially in states that have been heavily gerrymandered.

 

[HisArpy]

Banning guns reduces gun violence. If it only cuts it to 20% of what we have now, I’m okay with that.

So you're like everyone else on the Left, you want to ban something under the rubric that it eliminates gun violence while also knowing that it will in fact not stop violent crime at all.

And once that's pointed out, you switch your claims to saying that it will reduce it. Yet the truth is that VIOLENCE is the problem, not the implement used to commit that violence with.

Fix the violence and you won't have to worry about the implement. Keep on spreading the lies and discriminatory behavior which you exhibit and all you do is empower violence.

Which tells me the problem here, is you.

 

[HisArpy]

Gotta love those “which came first, the chicken or the egg?” situations, ‘eh?

People who live in cities are more inclined to vote for democratic ideas and candidates. Why do you suppose this is true?

The difference in the ratio is huge. Only 26 of the 100 largest cities are Republican. Only 16% of the population of large cities are under republican leadership.

So yeah, it makes sense that most gun deaths that happen in cities happen in democratically lead cities.



https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliation_of_the_mayors_of_the_100_largest_cities


It points out how blue city populations can be subjected to the tyranny of the minority of red rural voters, especially in states that have been heavily gerrymandered.

Lol. It's not your fault that the majority of violence happens inside of blue cities because it's the Red states those cities are in which forces you to be violent. Well, except for the blue states with violent cities, then it's the fault of the neighboring red states that the blue state / blue city residents are forced to be violent.


Which sounds EXACTLY like the lame assed excuse every abuser and criminal uses to justify why he hurts you - "you made me do it."

 

[HisArpy]

So are we to believe that Americans are unlike human beings elsewhere?
Oh wait! We have more guns than people in America ? If that is true, then that’s what makes us hopelessly different ?

Oh! That and are politicians are pretty much all whores to political money! And? Democracy is gerrymandered or handed away by the Founding Fathers

Dam you're right. OTOH, if we banned people then the earth would be so peaceful...

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So you're like everyone else on the Left, you want to ban something under the rubric that it eliminates gun violence while also knowing that it will in fact not stop violent crime at all.

And once that's pointed out, you switch your claims to saying that it will reduce it. Yet the truth is that VIOLENCE is the problem, not the implement used to commit that violence with.

Fix the violence and you won't have to worry about the implement. Keep on spreading the lies and discriminatory behavior which you exhibit and all you do is empower violence.

Which tells me the problem here, is you.

I don’t think anything will “stop” violent crime. Not better mental health care, not more cops, not fewer guns.

I just want to make it harder for an angry man to kill lots of people quickly.

 

[HisArpy]

I don’t think anything will “stop” violent crime. Not better mental health care, not more cops, not fewer guns.

I just want to make it harder for an angry man to kill lots of people quickly.

Then stop the angry man, don't disarm and punish his victims.

In essence what you want is to punish 80 of the kids in a class of 100 merely because 20 of their classmates are bullies while letting those same bullies roam around freely without restriction or consequence.

Or do you think zero bail and early release don't punish the law abiding?

 

[icanhelp1]

Gotta love those “which came first, the chicken or the egg?” situations, ‘eh?

People who live in cities are more inclined to vote for democratic ideas and candidates. Why do you suppose this is true?

The difference in the ratio is huge. Only 26 of the 100 largest cities are Republican. Only 16% of the population of large cities are under republican leadership.

So yeah, it makes sense that most gun deaths that happen in cities happen in democratically lead cities.




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https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliation_of_the_mayors_of_the_100_largest_cities


It points out how blue city populations can be subjected to the tyranny of the minority of red rural voters, especially in states that have been heavily gerrymandered.

What that graph tells me is if you want change don't vote democrat.

 

[Rightguide]

Banning guns reduces gun violence. If it only cuts it to 20% of what we have now, I’m okay with that.

Banning "guns" has never happened in US history, so there is no record of how that would work here. It may work in places like China. Japan, and in countries where there is no established law or history of a right to arms by the citizenry as there is here. There was an illegal and temporary Assault Weapon Ban here in the US but it was shown to have had zero effect on crime, or gun crime, and was lifted. "Banning guns" will only work to limit the rights of law abiding people and not do anything to keep guns from the hands of people who do not respect the law and who will only continue killing the innocent with their "banned" guns. Banning guns is out of the question in the United States of America. Only stupid people think this is possible.

 

[ll74]

What that graph tells me is if you want change don't vote democrat.

Lol...how conservative of you

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Then stop the angry man, don't disarm and punish his victims.

In essence what you want is to punish 80 of the kids in a class of 100 merely because 20 of their classmates are bullies while letting those same bullies roam around freely without restriction or consequence.

Or do you think zero bail and early release don't punish the law abiding?

His victims are dead.

 

[icanhelp1]

I don’t think anything will “stop” violent crime. Not better mental health care, not more cops, not fewer guns.

I just want to make it harder for an angry man to kill lots of people quickly.

The model is there. Rudy Giuliani had the magic formula, the template is there, shitcan the progressive mindset that guns commit crimes. Enforce the laws on the books and keep violent criminals behind bars. Mental health also needs to be addressed.

 

[AlexBailey]

Banning "guns" has never happened in US history, so there is no record of how that would work here. It may work in places like China. Japan, and in countries where there is no established law or history of a right to arms by the citizenry as there is here. There was an illegal and temporary Assault Weapon Ban here in the US but it was shown to have had zero effect on crime, or gun crime, and was lifted. "Banning guns" will only work to limit the rights of law abiding people and not do anything to keep guns from the hands of people who do not respect the law and who will only continue killing the innocent with their "banned" guns. Banning guns is out of the question in the United States of America. Only stupid people think this is possible.

So the GOP feels that mass shooting and school shootings are just part of being American?


Is there anything the GOP can offer to slow down this made in America killing trend?

 

[HisArpy]

His victims are dead.

Because you either disarmed them directly or refused to allow guardians to be armed so they could protect them. (Defund the police and no guns in schools.)

The problem here is you and your beliefs that you can protect people from the angry man by disarming the victims, thereby victimizing them TWICE.

Do yourself a favor and read the per curiam opinion for Mass v. Cataeno. Note how the US Supreme court mentions that she's justified in carrying her stun gun because the State abdicated its duty to ensure her safety.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/14-10078



And yet here you are saying that it's ok for the State to disarm it's citizens while doing NOTHING to protect them from the evil which the state allows to travel freely in search of their next victim.

It's not us. It's not guns. It's you and your ideas that are the problem here.

 

[HisArpy]

So the GOP feels that mass shooting and school shootings are just part of being American?


Is there anything the GOP can offer to slow down this made in America killing trend?

We've offered many options such as putting criminals in jail and keeping them there as well as increasing funding for law enforcement and more. Offers which have been rejected.

 

[AlexBailey]

Then stop the angry man, don't disarm and punish his victims.

In essence what you want is to punish 80 of the kids in a class of 100 merely because 20 of their classmates are bullies while letting those same bullies roam around freely without restriction or consequence.

Or do you think zero bail and early release don't punish the law abiding?

How do you stop “the angry man?”

With no-permit carry, no background checks, no mandatory training, how is someone determined to be ineligible for gun ownership?

Under the GOP you only lose the right to have guns and ammo once you have been prosecuted for a crime.

If you think having more law enforcement to be a solution, consider how so many mass shooters plan to die as an end to their spree.

 

[AlexBailey]

… while doing NOTHING to protect them from the evil which the state allows to travel freely in search of their next victim.

What does the GOP propose as a solution to this evil you mention?

 

[Rightguide]

So the GOP feels that mass shooting and school shootings are just part of being American?


Is there anything the GOP can offer to slow down this made in America killing trend?

Yes., stop the insanity in our schools, swift unrelenting punishment for the criminal use of guns, make mass killings a federal crime punishable by death.

 

[HisArpy]

How do you stop “the angry man?”

With no-permit carry, no background checks, no mandatory training, how is someone determined to be ineligible for gun ownership?

Under the GOP you only lose the right to have guns and ammo once you have been prosecuted for a crime.

If you think having more law enforcement to be a solution, consider how so many mass shooters plan to die as an end to their spree.

EVERY shooter leaves a trail of evidence behind them. Every single one of them telegraphs what they're going to do before they do it.

EVERY victim starts their day thinking it's going to glorious and wonderful. Every single one of them discovered that people like you don't give a shit about them because you ALLOWED someone to hurt them by not putting that person in jail or the psyche ward.

YOU DO THIS! Not me or the victims. YOU! Because you enable criminals to go out and commit crimes while doing NOTHING TO STOP THEM and doing everything you can to harm their victims.

You want solutions? Try advocating for a national database of the mentally ill and link it to the BATFE/FBI background check system. Try putting career violent offenders behind bars for the rest of their life. Try getting behind the death sentence for murderers and serial killers. Try not being a fucking asshole who thinks only of himself for once in your miserable life.

Every child who dies in the next school shooting is YOUR FAULT because you allowed the killer to be free to go and do it. It's not the gun, it's you and your tolerance and acceptance of crime. It's you.

And you still can't figure out why you disgust the majority of people who know you.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes., stop the insanity in our schools, swift unrelenting punishment for the criminal use of guns, make mass killings a federal crime punishable by death.

How exactly do your suggestions help against the suicidal mass shooter?

 

[AlexBailey]

EVERY shooter leaves a trail of evidence behind them. Every single one of them telegraphs what they're going to do before they do it.

EVERY victim starts their day thinking it's going to glorious and wonderful. Every single one of them discovered that people like you don't give a shit about them because you ALLOWED someone to hurt them by not putting that person in jail or the psyche ward.

YOU DO THIS! Not me or the victims. YOU! Because you enable criminals to go out and commit crimes while doing NOTHING TO STOP THEM and doing everything you can to harm their victims.

You want solutions? Try advocating for a national database of the mentally ill and link it to the BATFE/FBI background check system. Try putting career violent offenders behind bars for the rest of their life. Try getting behind the death sentence for murderers and serial killers. Try not being a fucking asshole who thinks only of himself for once in your miserable life.

Every child who dies in the next school shooting is YOUR FAULT because you allowed the killer to be free to go and do it. It's not the gun, it's you and your tolerance and acceptance of crime. It's you.

And you still can't figure out why you disgust the majority of people who know you.

And you whine and accuse me of using ad-hom?

Is your intellectual focus so narrow that you don’t understand why there has been a trend to try different approaches to criminal justice?

You rail against urban crime without providing any explanation for the cause. The US has some of the highest incarceration rates among all nations of the world. We’ve got problems - do you honestly believe that more incarceration is going to solve the problem? And you mention trying the same thing over and over…

It probably doesn’t occur to you that incarcerating city youth with other criminals for low level crimes puts them into a peer group that is not conducive to improving their lives. These dynamics are understood by others and they are trying to figure out how to make things work better. There will be back-steps along the way, but the thing about true progressives is that they will consider data and change tactics because their motivation is not selfish.

You’re one of the asses who think it’s sinister to help other people, aren’t you?

So I guess the only reason I spent a couple of hours this week helping an old couple on a fixed income for free is because I’m an asshole. You probably think I only did it so I could feel like I’m better than you - what can I say, it worked!

 

[RobDownSouth]

We've offered many options such as putting criminals in jail and keeping them there as well as increasing funding for law enforcement and more. Offers which have been rejected.

weaksauce "after the fact" solutions that don't do one damned thing to prevent mass shootings.
See timmeh fail. Fail, Timmeh, Fail!

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes., stop the insanity in our schools, swift unrelenting punishment for the criminal use of guns, make mass killings a federal crime punishable by death.

What is this “insanity in our schools” that you think is creating mass murderers?

 

[phrodeau]

What is this “insanity in our schools” that you think is creating mass murderers?

They teach that assault weapons are just rifles.

 

[richmondman]

I don't really care if somebody wants a handgun for "self protection" because as a practical matter handguns are nearly never used for that or anything else. It sits around for the vast part, and a fair number of them are stolen out of cars and used in other crimes.

Doesn't bother me if someone's got a hunting rifle or a shotgun for sport or hunting. Heck a good shotgun is probably better for "home defense" anyway and isn't likely to be stolen and used to stick up a convenience store.

But it makes no sense to me at all to permit military style assault weapons or big ammunition magazines. There are lot more really demented people out there, and in the amplified social media world things have gotten much worse complete with copycat mass shootings. If you've read some of the "manifestos" you'll see what I mean. Making it this easy to mow people down, innocent people, just is crazy.

The actual law on this point is that there is no 2nd amendment protection for weapons of war, as opposed to commonly owned self defense ones. This is from the Supreme Court, and from the dean of the ultra conservative and right wing, Justice Scalia. Nobody knows that on message boards.

To me the bottom line is that this country has a cowboy culture that associates having a gun to being "manly" or showing "independence. It doesn't make a lot of sense but sure generates a lot of keyboard jockeys repeating memes that they've been fed. Now, they believe it, that's for sure. That's too bad.

Even here, I saw a nutso post about red/blue and giving a partial list of mass shootings to "prove" that these are associated with Democrats. One was the mass shooting at Virginia Tech. Hate to pop the poster's balloon, but votes are not registered by party in Virginia. And Blacksburg is not hardly a "Dem" area, far from it. The was a mass shooting at a Walmart in Chesapeake, Va. He doesn't know it, but Chesapeake is very red territory. Then there's the school is Florida, crazy time red, so the poster just speculates and blames the parents. So yeah, there are plenty of crazies that have gotten worse. It's not a guns or no guns thing, but some guns just shouldn't be out there.

So "punish gun crime more severely" they say. Well that might work, so long as the nutcase who's written his manifesto and hangs out in Discord hate chat room would be so polite to advise the authorities in advance of when and where the mass shooting will happen.