Hard top or convertible...

[Selena_Kitt]

whew, I'm glad you typed all that, Logo, so I didn't have to!!!!!

I didn't circ my youngest... I did circ my oldest, because his dad wanted him to look "like him." *sigh*

Just in case you were wondering, the stats have finally shifted, too... in the U.S. it is now 60/40... 60% UNcirc, and 40% circ... so that locker room argument is becoming moot...

 

[logophile]

whew, I'm glad you typed all that, Logo, so I didn't have to!!!!!

I didn't circ my youngest... I did circ my oldest, because his dad wanted him to look "like him." *sigh*

Just in case you were wondering, the stats have finally shifted, too... in the U.S. it is now 60/40... 60% UNcirc, and 40% circ... so that locker room argument is becoming moot...

Thanks Pretty Kitty. I was wondering when we'd hear from you on this!

 

[logophile]

Oh, and I should add something as well...
When I was pg with my first baby, I left the decision about circ completely up to my husband. He thought we should circ, but she ended up being a she, so it wasn't an issue.
When I was expecting my second baby, I was really up in the air about it. I had done some reading and was leaning towards not circ'ing, but when I told my husband he said we could talk about it when the baby was born, if necessary.
By the time my third baby was due, I rolled over in the middle of the night, flopped my giant belly into my husband, knocking him forward a few inches, and said, "If this baby's a boy, we're not circumcising." He said, "Fine!" and we both went back to sleep.

My evolution as a slightly crunchy mama.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

My evolution as a slightly crunchy mama.

*L*

I had two different husbands... the first husband, 2 kids, boy and a girl... that's the one who's got a convertible (love that term, Vella! lol)

second husband, boy and girl... that's the boy with the flat top and both were born at home, too...

it's like I lived two different lives sometimes!

 

[foreskin4you]

They can spout cleanliness issues (can't we just teach 'em how to clean?) and a higher incidence of cancer (very negligible - breast cancer rates are much, much higher yet we don't lop off breasts of infant girls) but for many it comes down to aesthetics.

I've been making the breast analogy for years, it's nice to see someone else agrees with the logic. Not only would it cut down on cancer, it'd remove boob envy! (Locker-room harassment is another pro-circ argument I've heard.)

But once the foreskin retracts it looks the same, yes? A penis is a penis, whether or not it looks like Mr. Snuffalupagus before the erection?

Not always! Depending on how much the penis lengthens during an erection, and how much slack skin there was to start with, many of us have enough skin to cover completely, even while erect.

Take a look at the foreskin coverage index for example. I'm a ci-9 and absolutely love it. The way it moves during sex is something you'd have to experience to fully understand. Yes, some convertibles roll back and end up as a ci-4 or lower, and you might not feel any difference. But that certainly doesn't describe the whole population!

Female circumcision, however, is strictly cultural, and is designed to remove sexual sensation. To remove the enjoyment from sex.

Go back to John Harvey Kellogg's pioneering work in popularizing the practice in America. His reasons for advocating both male and female circumcision were anti-pleasure, anti-masturbation. Of course, plenty of circumcised guys seem to enjoy sex, but I think they're enjoying it in a different way. They're missing over half the nerve endings they were born with.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Take a look at the foreskin coverage index

Wow!! That was really informative, thanks for that...

 

[fieryjen]

On the topic of female circumcision, I would recommend the book "Desert Flower" by Waris Dirie, if you haven't read it. I thought it was extremely moving and informative. In it, she gives a very detailled account of her own circumcision and the aftermath. She was born in Somalia, sold into marriage and finally ran away, only to become a model in the US (it's a fascinating tale). She is now working with the UN, supporting women's rights. The book may be a bit hard to swallow in parts, but it's definitely worth reading anway.

 

[Aurora Black]

YAY! My guy's a CI-7, but he looks like CI-4 when erect! Thanks for the link!

 

[Liar]

YAY! My guy's a CI-7, but he looks like CI-4 when erect! Thanks for the link!

A shrinker, eh?

 

[Aurora Black]

A shrinker, eh?

*blows raspberry*

 

[Guest]

A shrinker, eh?

And from the tiny acorn grows the mighty oak.

 

[Aurora Black]

And from the tiny acorn grows the mighty oak.

And mighty it is.

 

[Guest]

And mighty it is.

Blessings on you both.

 

[Aurora Black]

Blessings on you both.

Ditto.

 

[Guest]

Ditto.

(Life is good.)

 

[Aurora Black]

Looking at that link made me horny.

 

[impressive]

Looking at that link made me horny.

Here. Have a bouquet of 'em:

http://www.penisowner.com/poc/pics/Bouquet.jpg

 

[Aurora Black]

Here. Have a bouquet of 'em:

http://www.penisowner.com/poc/pics/Bouquet.jpg

PMSL!!! *screams, collapses*

 

[Liar]

My, that's a whole lotta wiener.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Sex-wise, circ guys supposedly last longer because of the deadened nerve endings (from removal and then from the constant rubbing of that unprotected organ against fabrics). Some find this a selling point as the lessened sensitivity means greater chance of mutual satisfaction. I haven't heard any complaints from circ guys that it is too hard to cum or that none of their orgasms are to their satisfaction. It could be true that they are missing out on some mystical "uber male orgasm", but I find that as hard to believe as the removal of foreskin being based entirely in cleanliness fears.

As for personally, I'm about as uncirc as they come, CI-10.

 

[Vincent E]

When I first heard this story I cringed and grabbed for myself "down there."

I don't want to be so cynical as to think that Mom's intent is to get back at her ex by having the kid circumcised, but the fact is that the time for debating the issue has long since passed. This boy needs to have the court appoint a lawyer to represent him and his interests seperate and apart from either of his parents.

Keep your laws off my foreskin!

I am not "cut." There is really no need for it. Apart from some religious traditions, there truly is no purpose for circumcising a boy. The health claims are bunk. You just roll back the skin and clean it. There are times when there is an illness or infection that requires removal of the foreskin, but at the same time we don't go performing apendectomies as a preventative measure.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I noticed not one male has responded to this thread. (Stand corrected. Happened while I was posting)

It's a very personal, and very male issue, and one that goes to the very heart of our identities. I know that seems ridiculous to most women, but that's the way we fucking are, okay? So If you want offend us all and hurt our feelings, just keep on talking about what we should or shouldn't have had done to us, in your opinion.

Really, the absolute last thing any guy wants is to be made to feel bad about his cock, so just love us as we are or leave us alone, okay?

 

[Aurora Black]

I noticed not one male has responded to this thread.

It's a very personal, and very male issue, and one that goes to the very heart of our identities. I know that seems ridiculous to most women, but that's the way we fucking are, okay? So If you want offend us all and hurt our feelings, just keep on talking about what we should or shouldn't have had done to us, in your opinion.

Really, the last thing any guy wants is to made to feel bad about his cock. Just love us as we are or leave us alone, okay?

Aww, Doc.

 

[logophile]

I noticed not one male has responded to this thread.

It's a very personal, and very male issue, and one that goes to the very heart of our identities. I know that seems ridiculous to most women, but that's the way we fucking are, okay? So If you want offend us all and hurt our feelings, just keep on talking about what we should or shouldn't have had done to us, in your opinion.

Really, the absolute last thing any guy wants is to be made to feel bad about his cock, so just love us as we are or leave us alone, okay?

Dear Doc,

I am so sorry if I have offended you in any way. When I was still sleeping with men, I loved the circ'd and uncirc'd cocks equally. There was no differentiation in my mind one way or the other. Please know that I have not set out to offend anyone who has been circ'd. My only point is that for non-religious purposes, it is not fair to circ a newborn boy who does not have the ability to decide for himself. In the case my own son, I will willingly help him get circ'd when he's old enough, should he choose it.

I hold you in the highest regard, DrM and would never ever hurt your feelings in any way. You have been good to me in ways that I can't even begin to describe.

XO,
Logo

 

[Liar]

I noticed not one male has responded to this thread. (Stand corrected. Happened while I was posting)

So, it took you 24 hours to write this?

That being said...

It's a very personal, and very male issue, and one that goes to the very heart of our identities. I know that seems ridiculous to most women, but that's the way we fucking are, okay? So If you want offend us all and hurt our feelings, just keep on talking about what we should or shouldn't have had done to us, in your opinion.

Really, the absolute last thing any guy wants is to be made to feel bad about his cock, so just love us as we are or leave us alone, okay?

Yeah, what Doc says. Well put.