Hard top or convertible...

[sweetnpetite]

I noticed not one male has responded to this thread. (Stand corrected. Happened while I was posting)

It's a very personal, and very male issue, and one that goes to the very heart of our identities. I know that seems ridiculous to most women, but that's the way we fucking are, okay? So If you want offend us all and hurt our feelings, just keep on talking about what we should or shouldn't have had done to us, in your opinion.

Really, the absolute last thing any guy wants is to be made to feel bad about his cock, so just love us as we are or leave us alone, okay?

Sorry doc, but we are mommies. And we have to make the decision. Sometimes we leave it up to hubby (assuming we have one) sometimes we make the choice together and sometimes we don't have a choice but to make it on our own. Other times we feel strongly enough about it that we make it on our own regardless.

It's all well and good to say that as women we have no place in this discussion- but in actuallity that's just not true. Oh, yeah and then we are cleaning up diapers, running jr off to doctor's appointments and checkups, and worying and trying to do the best by our sons just as we do with our daughters. So we have just as much right and duty to be informed on the sugject and to form opionions and discuss the topic as any a man does. It's not as though we are discussing weather women should get there breasts enlarged or stay natural, although I'm sure that men participate in that discussion (esp since I've heard it a few times). Men discuss women's breasts all the time and all that goes along with it and filled with judgements as well. Do you think our breasts are not personal to us? Or that we want to feel bad about them (weather they are too big, too small, too real, too fake, too saggy, ect, ect). I don't think we've been having a crude discussion about how a guy compares or measures up, but honestly, I wouldn't feel to bad about it if we had, all things considered. this thread hasn't simply been one of 'purient interest' but a thoughtful conversation about an important issue. So what exactly is the beef?

I don't see how anyone has been made to feel bad about themselves either. Frankly, your post is somewhat baffling.

 

[Huckleman2000]

There's an interesting article in Slate about this recently.

Article is here

Or Not To Snip?
Slate's findings on circumcision and sex.
By Emily Bazelon
Posted Monday, Feb. 13, 2006, at 5:33 PM ET

Last August, I launched an unscientific research project about circumcision. Wondering whether circumcision deprives men of the "capacity for optimal pleasure," as cultural anthropologist Leonard Glick claims in his book Marked in Your Flesh, I asked to hear from men who'd undergone the procedure as adults and experienced sex both ways. Women and men with secondhand comparative knowledge were also invited to weigh in. Soon there were hundreds of e-mails in my in-box, a surprising majority of them earnest and frank.

The volume and intimacy of the responses, I confess, overwhelmed me. I loutishly hid from my in-box for months, to the exasperation of some of my male co-workers. But with the help of superintern Sonia Smith, I've now read and categorized all the responses. And I've come to this reassuring conclusion: Sex isn't better, per se, one way or the other. The benefits and drawbacks of either state are between a man and his penis........

 

[Stella_Omega]

It's a very personal, and very male issue, and one that goes to the very heart of our identities. I know that seems ridiculous to most women, but that's the way we fucking are, okay? So If you want offend us all and hurt our feelings, just keep on talking about what we should or shouldn't have had done to us, in your opinion.

Really, the absolute last thing any guy wants is to be made to feel bad about his cock, so just love us as we are or leave us alone, okay?

Of course it's a tough conversation to have to endure, since it deals with something that can't be changed.

And, just to point out, gentlemen- (And I know that most of the men here are honestly and truly enlightened and already know this- )

Isn't that exactly what so many women feel about tits, waistlines, facelifts, clothing... Every day, in every way, women are found wanting.

My son is not circumsized. His baby pediatrician was very upset that I wouldn't let her perform this procedure. *shrug* But I know that his girlfriends are going to thank me some day!
And, yes, I wish his dad was whole, and no, I don't complain about it. Or even think about it much. Similarly, he doesn't complain about my quirks, right?

 

[Aurora Black]

My son is not circumsized. His baby pediatrician was very upset that I wouldn't let her perform this procedure. *shrug* But I know that his girlfriends are going to thank me some day!

Why would they thank you? Just curious.

 

[Guest]

My son is not circumsized. His baby pediatrician was very upset that I wouldn't let her perform this procedure. *shrug*

Isn't that ridiculous!

Our son's pediatrician said our son had a smart mommy. This was after he asked if we were going to have the procedure done on our son. I told him from what we'd been reading there was no medical reason for it so we had decided to not.

I like our pediatrician better.

 

[Guest]

I don't see how anyone has been made to feel bad about themselves either. Frankly, your post is somewhat baffling.

This is a bit rough, don't you think, S&P?

He's entitled to his opinion (and he doesn't need me to speak for him) but I was thinking of my husband (well-circ'd and fine with it) as he spoke.

My hubby is quite protective of his parts, moreso than I am, I think. And rightly so.

We gals are mainly internal, of course. Those with the dangly bits need to be a bit more careful.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

It's all well and good to say that as women we have no place in this discussion- but in actuallity that's just not true. Oh, yeah and then we are cleaning up diapers, running jr off to doctor's appointments and checkups, and worying and trying to do the best by our sons just as we do with our daughters. So we have just as much right and duty to be informed on the sugject and to form opionions and discuss the topic as any a man does. It's not as though we are discussing weather women should get there breasts enlarged or stay natural, although I'm sure that men participate in that discussion (esp since I've heard it a few times). Men discuss women's breasts all the time and all that goes along with it and filled with judgements as well. Do you think our breasts are not personal to us? Or that we want to feel bad about them (weather they are too big, too small, too real, too fake, too saggy, ect, ect). I don't think we've been having a crude discussion about how a guy compares or measures up, but honestly, I wouldn't feel to bad about it if we had, all things considered. this thread hasn't simply been one of 'purient interest' but a thoughtful conversation about an important issue. So what exactly is the beef?

I don't see how anyone has been made to feel bad about themselves either. Frankly, your post is somewhat baffling.

You're right. Discuss to your heart's content.

Personally, I don't know what kind of men you hang around with, but I don't discuss what a woman's breasts or body should look like, and haven't since I learned that woman were people with feelings too. Such discussions are loutish, insensitive, and, when applied to real people, simply offensive.

I'm circumcised, as is my son. I know it's out of fashion now, and to some people what I've done to my son is barbarous and even cruel. I resent that attitude. I did to my son what was done to me and what's been done to my ancestors since time immemorial. I wouldn't have it any other way, so pardon me if I don't participate in the self-congratulation of the all-natural crowd.

I suppose the closest I can come to an analogy here is if you were to pop in on some conversation by males talking about what a vagina should look like. That's a legitimate topic for discussion too, and I suppose we all have our opinions and medical evidence we can marshall, but if I describe something you don't have as my ideal, you're probably going to be subtly hurt and feel somewhat rejected by me, and that's unfortunate. That's why a gentleman doesn't discuss a woman's breasts or other features with another gentleman. It's hurtful--what we used to call "impolite".

I won't try to explain to you the deeply neurotic relationship a man has with his cock. Women just don't seem capable of understanding it, but a man's penis is his identity, at least in my case. We all want to be beautiful, we all want to be loved. Everyone who expresses a preference for the other side on this issue diminishes me a bit and makes me feel a little bit worse than I did before.

I also noticed that a lot of repondents on this question were gay women, especially at the start of the thread. I have no idea what a gay woman's attitude towards a man's penis is or whether it differs from a straight woman's. It gave me pause though.

But you're right. The problem is mine and I'm just hypersensitive. You have every right to discuss this issue and express your preferences, and I'll bow out of the discussion and leave you to it. I just wanted to explain why I said what I did.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Isn't that ridiculous!

Our son's pediatrician said our son had a smart mommy. This was after he asked if we were going to have the procedure done on our son. I told him from what we'd been reading there was no medical reason for it so we had decided to not.

I like our pediatrician better.

She was Burmese, for what that's worth.
She was pretty funny- She saw my three-year-old daughter sucking her thimb, and got mad at me for that- not that it made any difference to me, you know...
She said that both of her parents sucked their thumbs still...
I asked how old they were, and she replied that they were in their eighties. I had this vision of a serene old Burmese couple, sleeping happily with their thumbs securely in their mouths.. Made it seem like a good idea!

My daughter quit sucking her thumb, literally overnight, at age six. She's so high-strung, on the whole- I'd prefer that she could, still, comfort herself.

About my son, she told me that he had an "Unusually large meatus" and that his foreskin would be tight. There wasn't a huge amoiunt of information available at the time, but the men that I knew told me that once you hit puberty, the hormones cause everything to loosen up, and the boy handling himself takes care of the rest.

Why would his girlfriends thank me?
In a word- no friction. Of course, the days of innocent bareback sex are sadly gone again.