Hate crime

[RobDownSouth]

Some here probably never heard of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who in 1965 he was decrying a black illegitimacy rate of 24% against a white rate of 4% which today are 72% and 29% respectively. It was part of a study he did called, The Negro Family: The Case For National Action.

The point being the rate was three times lower for black folks before The War On Poverty began, but here we are 50 years and trillions later, and it is what it is. So if it's economics how is this possible?

Daniel Patrick Moynihan?

He was the man who famously said
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."

Which is, of course, the complete and utter opposite of the Vietnam-era Marine Code Of Conduct.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Right on man.

 

[nowisthetime]

Why is it that you conservatives only care about hate crimes when it is a white victim against a black perpetrator?

Hate crime is wrong but any person with a brain and sense knows when it comes to these types of crimes, blacks are far more likely to be the victims.

And blacks are punished far more if the victim is white.

Not sure why you are bitching.

 

[cjh]

Why is it that you conservatives only care about hate crimes when it is a white victim against a black perpetrator?

Hate crime is wrong but any person with a brain and sense knows when it comes to these types of crimes, blacks are far more likely to be the victims.

And blacks are punished far more if the victim is white.

Not sure why you are bitching.

Where have you been?

White is the new Black.

 

[nowisthetime]

Where have you been?

White is the new Black.

I don't understand this new persecution complex trend that is going on with these far right wing conservatives. I just cannot fathom it. I mean do they not read the fucking stats? Or they refuse to believe it?

All I know is that more younger black folk need to flex their right to vote. We could easily go back to Jim Crow the way things are going if not enough are politically-attuned.

 

[cjh]

I don't understand this new persecution complex trend that is going on with these far right wing conservatives. I just cannot fathom it. I mean do they not read the fucking stats? Or they refuse to believe it?

All I know is that more younger black folk need to flex their right to vote. We could easily go back to Jim Crow the way things are going if not enough are politically-attuned.

Fear. Of being left behind. Tribalism. And an eager readiness to grasp the comfortable answer--difference in color--rather than the murkier ones--differences in history and in socioeconomic circumstance.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

All I know is that more younger black folk need to flex their right to vote.

A most excellent suggestion. Just as importantly more black folk need to run for office so that the younger black folk have someone to vote for. There is an election tomorrow in MA. Prediction is maybe 18% of the electorate will turn out. Here is the wonderful rainbow we have to choose from:

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[sigh]

Some here probably never heard of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who in 1965 he was decrying a black illegitimacy rate of 24% against a white rate of 4% which today are 72% and 29% respectively. It was part of a study he did called, The Negro Family: The Case For National Action.

The point being the rate was three times lower for black folks before The War On Poverty began, but here we are 50 years and trillions later, and it is what it is. So if it's economics how is this possible?

Legitimacy isn't the issue. We've been through this before. This issue is unwanted pregnancy. You're just hung up on whether or not people are married when they decide to have kids.

Please note that by your own stats, the illegitimacy rate may be three times higher for blacks now than it was in 1965, but it's seven times higher for whites. The times they are a changin'. I know that's hard, but they just are.

 

[John Doe]

What is it about beatings that turns nearly everyone into idiots? You'd think just hearing the story could cause a concussion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Legitimacy isn't the issue. We've been through this before. This issue is unwanted pregnancy. You're just hung up on whether or not people are married when they decide to have kids.

Please note that by your own stats, the illegitimacy rate may be three times higher for blacks now than it was in 1965, but it's seven times higher for whites. The times they are a changin'. I know that's hard, but they just are.

BUTT BUTT ILLEGITIMACY!!! IT'S TOTALLY RELEVANT IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING!!!

 

[NeonSubtlety]

Hate crimes are dangerously invasive no matter the victim. You shouldn't be able to criminalize the way someone thinks. This is a pluralist country that should, theoretically, value dissent. Legislating thought flies in the face of that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't understand this new persecution complex trend that is going on with these far right wing conservatives. I just cannot fathom it. I mean do they not read the fucking stats? Or they refuse to believe it?

All I know is that more younger black folk need to flex their right to vote. We could easily go back to Jim Crow the way things are going if not enough are politically-attuned.

Here's the bitch of it. In some states blacks need to vote. The south needs to get their shit together. I'm a Californian. I only vote when I'm hanging around people who are going to vote for whatever reason otherwise it's a waste of time I could spend here with you guys. And I honestly mean that on the federal level.

Hate crimes are dangerously invasive no matter the victim. You shouldn't be able to criminalize the way someone thinks. This is a pluralist country that should, theoretically, value dissent. Legislating thought flies in the face of that.

No. Fuck that.

 

[toubab]

A most excellent suggestion. Just as importantly more black folk need to run for office so that the younger black folk have someone to vote for. There is an election tomorrow in MA. Prediction is maybe 18% of the electorate will turn out. Here is the wonderful rainbow we have to choose from:

http://www.wggb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/martha-coakley12.jpghttp://www.massequality.org/sites/default/files/u66/StevenGrossman_0.jpg
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site105/2014/0520/20140520__TFront~p2_200.jpg
http://cdn1.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/finegold-850.jpg
http://www.watertownmanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/warrentolman_304.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/scott-lively.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/jeff-mccormick.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/evan-falchuk.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/mark-fisher.jpg

What's wrong with that group of candidates? I mean, without knowing much about most of them, I'm sure there are plenty of democrats and plenty of liberals in the group. It is Massachusetts, after all, which is the third most liberal and third most democratic state in the nation, as I recall.

 

[toubab]

A most excellent suggestion. Just as importantly more black folk need to run for office so that the younger black folk have someone to vote for. There is an election tomorrow in MA. Prediction is maybe 18% of the electorate will turn out. Here is the wonderful rainbow we have to choose from:

http://www.wggb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/martha-coakley12.jpghttp://www.massequality.org/sites/default/files/u66/StevenGrossman_0.jpg
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site105/2014/0520/20140520__TFront~p2_200.jpg
http://cdn1.bostonmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/finegold-850.jpg
http://www.watertownmanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/warrentolman_304.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/scott-lively.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/jeff-mccormick.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/evan-falchuk.jpghttp://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.wbur.org/2014/0703_meet-the-govs/media/full/mark-fisher.jpg

What's wrong with that group of candidates? I mean, without knowing much about most of them, I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats and plenty of liberals in the group. It is Massachusetts, after all, which is the third most liberal and third most Democratic state in the nation, as I recall.

 

[John Doe]

What's wrong with that group of candidates? I mean, without knowing much about most of them, I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats and plenty of liberals in the group. It is Massachusetts, after all, which is the third most liberal and third most Democratic state in the nation, as I recall.

You can say that again!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nothing is by definition "wrong" with any of them. At a glance none of them know what it's like to be anything but white. Some of them may have Latino blood I'll grant. None of them know what it's like to be black and we need representation that we don't get.

 

[toubab]

Nothing is by definition "wrong" with any of them. At a glance none of them know what it's like to be anything but white. Some of them may have Latino blood I'll grant. None of them know what it's like to be black and we need representation that we don't get.

So what? The males don't know what it's like to be female, and the females don't know what it's like to be male, and none of them know what it's like to be Asian, apparently.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's not a so what issue. We don't have enough female or Asian representation in our government. Obviously you're never going to see exactly percentages for each race and gender but it should be similar to what the general population is.

 

[toubab]

That's not a so what issue. We don't have enough female or Asian representation in our government. Obviously you're never going to see exactly percentages for each race and gender but it should be similar to what the general population is.

How about everybody is human, and we just treat everyone that way?

 

[Sean Renaud]

When that day comes we can, but we are decades if not centuries away from that day comrade.

 

[toubab]

When that day comes we can, but we are decades if not centuries away from that day comrade.

Why not start now?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Because it's not true today and pretending that it is would make it take that much longer for it actually happen. Reality doesn't shape itself around my imagination.

 

[John Doe]

Why not start now?

Laziness. Complacency. Apathy.

The usual reasons for not doing something that needs to be done.

 

[John Doe]

Because it's not true today and pretending that it is would make it take that much longer for it actually happen. Reality doesn't shape itself around my imagination.

Do you make a hobby of missing the point?

 

[toubab]

Because it's not true today and pretending that it is would make it take that much longer for it actually happen. Reality doesn't shape itself around my imagination.

The only thing preventing it is us, and we're never going to get there if we don't change.