Here's How Donald Trump Could Become President

[4est_4est_Gump]

These statements surprised and intrigued me:


Slavoj Žižek: 'Trump is really a centrist liberal'
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/28/slavoj-zizek-donald-trump-is-really-a-centrist-liberal

"At a Guardian Live event, the Slovenian philosopher explains why he wants to ‘problematise’ Europe and why ‘the Donald’ is something of a paradox

Read Trump closely – it is difficult to do, I know – and if you extract his total racist and sexist stupidities, you will see that here and there, where he makes a complete proposal, they’re usually not so bad,” said Žižek. “He said he will not totally dismantle universal healthcare, raise the minimum wage, and so on.”

Trump is a paradox: he is really a centrist liberal, and maybe even in his economic policies closer to the Democrats, and he desperately tries to mask this. So the function of all of these dirty jokes and stupidities is to cover up that he is really a pretty ordinary, centrist politician.”

It's not sexist to call Rosie O'Donnell out.

Cruelty to animals, maybe, I could see that...

 

[hashtag45]

It's not sexist to call Rosie O'Donnell out.

Cruelty to animals, maybe, I could see that...

But on a more serious note: despite some of the controversies surrounding him, no one -even his critics- dispute the fact that Slavoj Zizek is one of the greatest intellectuals and philosophers alive.

And to hear him say such things about Trump (until I came across this article, I simply dismissed Trump as being a racist and a buffoon)….. makes one start to pay attention a bit more.

 

[zipman]

It must be exhausting to be so gottdamn wrong all the time. Adre was spot-on in repeating what the officials in the area politely asked for- for everyone to stay the fuck away so the relief efforts wouldn't be impeded.

Did Dubya have those same instructions regarding the fly-over?

A_J doesn't like facts, just emotion.

 

[toubab]

Clearly, they're responding to Trump's belief that all black people are unemployed, live in slums, and commit massive voter fraud.

For someone who professes to know so much about how polls work, you sure do get excited by what is obviously a sample size fluke.

That's just plain stupid. Trump obviously knows most black people are employed, and that many black people in the US are doing reasonably well. Some are quite wealthy, in fact, and are friends of his. Most are not in poverty, obviously, and most do not commit voter fraud, obviously. Your interpretation of what he is saying is moronic. It was clear he was speaking primarily to the substantial portion of the black population who are not doing well. He was asking them for their votes, and suggesting they have little to lose. I see nothing wrong with that.

How you could read what I've written about this poll and think I don't know how it works is beyond me. I obviously think the sudden jump in black support is probably a statistical aberration, and temporary. You are an idiot.

 

[hashtag45]

Thankfully, I haven't had to deal with many xenophobic attitudes.
But if I did, there was one commonality: they + the most vile racists that I came across IRL were the most vocal about how inclussive and kumbaya they are, and how they hate "biggots and racists".
Kind of like Emerson40, but with three times the brain mass.

I'm always skeptical of those who get over-the top personal over less PC (within the limit of decency, without crossing the line into bigotted hate speech, of course) jokes or remarks.

EDIT.
"Moral distance involves legitimizing oneself and one's cause. It can generally be divided into two components. The first component usually is the determination or condemnation of the enemy's guilt, which, of course, must be punished or avenged. The other is an affirmation of the legality and legitimacy of one's own cause." Dave Grossman

 

[Wrong Element]

These statements surprised and intrigued me:


Slavoj Žižek: 'Trump is really a centrist liberal'
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/28/slavoj-zizek-donald-trump-is-really-a-centrist-liberal

"At a Guardian Live event, the Slovenian philosopher explains why he wants to ‘problematise’ Europe and why ‘the Donald’ is something of a paradox

Read Trump closely – it is difficult to do, I know – and if you extract his total racist and sexist stupidities, you will see that here and there, where he makes a complete proposal, they’re usually not so bad,” said Žižek. “He said he will not totally dismantle universal healthcare, raise the minimum wage, and so on.”

Trump is a paradox: he is really a centrist liberal, and maybe even in his economic policies closer to the Democrats, and he desperately tries to mask this. So the function of all of these dirty jokes and stupidities is to cover up that he is really a pretty ordinary, centrist politician.”

Speculating on what Trump "really" believes is beside the point. He's a populist demagogue, so what he truly believes in is himself, which also happens to be what his supporters believe in. That's why he can change his position on so many issues and it never affects his popularity. That's why libertarian AJ can speak lovingly of "the Trumpster," a man whose only libertarian stance is low taxes.

I've seen speculation that Trump initially saw his announcement speech reference to Mexicans as criminals and rapists as a throwaway line. He didn't decide to start stressing immigration until his fans latched onto it. Why do you think he made such a big deal about Obama being born in Kenya? Because he's a complete idiot who actually thinks that's the case, or because there was an audience eager to hear that?

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's why he can change his position on so many issues and it never affects his popularity.

Sounds like the long time homophobic DOMA supporting, woman hating pro life Hillary.

Clearly, they're responding to Trump's belief that all black people are unemployed, live in slums, and commit massive voter fraud.

I don't like Trump but I don't think he's ever stated any of that.

Sounds like LWCJ assumptions/ascription.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Regarding Trump's insistence that President Obama was born in Kenya.

Do I think he's he's a complete idiot who actually believed it, or because there was an audience eager to hear it?

I'll go with a little bit of column A and a whole lot of column B.

Those same dumb shits from column B are his most ardent supporters now, those uneducated he loves so much.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Sounds like the long time homophobic DOMA supporting, woman hating pro life Hillary.

You're talking a change in attitude over years, decades even for Mrs. Clinton vs from one day to the next with the Trumpster fire.

Nice try at a false equivalency though.

 

[hashtag45]

1.Speculating on what Trump "really" believes is beside the point. He's a populist demagogue, so what he truly believes in is himself, which also happens to be what his supporters believe in. That's why he can change his position on so many issues and it never affects his popularity. That's why libertarian AJ can speak lovingly of "the Trumpster," a man whose only libertarian stance is low taxes.

I've seen speculation that Trump initially saw his announcement speech reference to Mexicans as criminals and rapists as a throwaway line. He didn't decide to start stressing immigration until his fans latched onto it.
Why do you think he made such a big deal about Obama being born in Kenya? Because he's a complete idiot who actually thinks that's the case, or because there was an audience eager to hear that?

1.I don't know much about american elections, but I had a similarimpression of Trump (a flake and an opportunist, as opposed to him being a real evil racist), after seeing what sort of "role modelling" he did in 'The Apprentice', the shady "Trump Academy" thing and his double standards re chastitising muslims while making business deals with the arab world.

My impression of him softened a bit after I learned that Hillary is corrupt too, and after reading what Zizek said. Having not watched US elections, I bought into the wishful thinking that his awful rhetoric was just a superficial act, and that he has a bit more substance.
You're right, and it sounds like he doesn't, actually. I guess I was misled a bit in a snob-iish sort of way, by the popularity of the name Zizek.

2.This might sound a bit superficial, since I'm basing my impression on TV shows: but the manner in which he behaved towards black, asian, latino and so on contestants in The Apprentice, and his body language in particular never led me to believe that he's truly a racist.

So the theory that he's an opportunist as opposed to a fundamentalist is starting to sound more plausible to me.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I don't like Trump but I don't think he's ever stated any of that.

Sounds like LWCJ assumptions/ascription.

Slow stealth edit and half-assed disclaimer before rushing to defend Trump.

You're perhaps just a little too fast to jump and missed the VERY obvious sarcasm in that statement. hint: read the next sentence.

Clearly, they're responding to Trump's belief that all black people are unemployed, live in slums, and commit massive voter fraud.

For someone who professes to know so much about how polls work, you sure do get excited by what is obviously a sample size fluke.

 

[Beco]

The Bible Codes said Trump will win...............so I can't give up.

But lets face it, he won't win, in fact, as Stevie Nicks said, will the landslide will bring you down.....yeahhhhhh will the landslide bring you down.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're talking a change in attitude over years, decades even for Mrs. Clinton

It didn't change over years.

In fact she has been a homophobic, misogynist and racist rather constantly her whole life right up until it cost her in 08.

Only then did she realize after viewing the polls that she'd have to move left of Teahaddist to get anywhere as a D.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

It didn't change over years.

In fact she has been a homophobic, misogynist and racist rather constantly her whole life right up until it cost her in 08.

Only then did she realize after viewing the polls that she'd have to move left of Teahaddist to get anywhere as a D.

What year is it again?

2008 was how many years ago?

 

[hashtag45]

Speculating on what Trump "really" believes is beside the point. He's a populist demagogue, so what he truly believes in is himself, which also happens to be what his supporters believe in. That's why he can change his position on so many issues and it never affects his popularity. That's why libertarian AJ can speak lovingly of "the Trumpster," a man whose only libertarian stance is low taxes.

I've seen speculation that Trump initially saw his announcement speech reference to Mexicans as criminals and rapists as a throwaway line. He didn't decide to start stressing immigration until his fans latched onto it. Why do you think he made such a big deal about Obama being born in Kenya? Because he's a complete idiot who actually thinks that's the case, or because there was an audience eager to hear that?

In saying that -and that doesn't mean that I don't agree with what you said, because I do- aren't the other candidates doing almost the same thing?
They're just a bit more clever and more consistent about it.

Like all those presidential candidates (and I'm not having only the US in my mind, cause that happened in Europe too, over and over again) who broke almost all their pre-election promisses.
Although in Obama's case I suspect that he was pressured into it after he became president(that he's weak, as opposed to having lied his way into the presidency).

 

[BotanyBoy]

What year is it again?

2008 was how many years ago?

It still wasn't a gradual float left over the years.

She only moves left when being as far right as she can be starts to cost her, then she changes suddenly to whatever the polls tell her to say and pretends the last 10-30 years never happened.

She's got just as many principals and values as Trump. In fact I'd bet they are far more alike than either fan club would ever admit. She's just better at reading a script and not saying anything except what's on that script.

But hey if you want to keep pretending she's the new progressive savior of M'uricuh that REALLY cares about us little folks that's cool too.

But I'm not buying into the delusion....

 

[Sean Renaud]

It didn't change over years.

In fact she has been a homophobic, misogynist and racist rather constantly her whole life right up until it cost her in 08.

Only then did she realize after viewing the polls that she'd have to move left of Teahaddist to get anywhere as a D.

Homophobic, no more than anybody else of that age but sure.

Misogynist, nope.

Racist, double nope.

It's absurd people are still sticking to this bullshit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Homophobic, no more than anybody else of that age but sure.

Most (D)'s in 08 were anti DOMA and openly pro gay marriage including O.

If supporting DOMA made everyone not Hillary homophobes for life, why not Hillary?

Misogynist, nope.

If being ProLife makes everyone not Hillary the evil misogynist patriarchy, why not Hillary?

Racist, double nope.

If Trump wanting to build a wall makes him a racist, why not Clinton?

If racist comment from 90's makes everyone not Clinton a racist for life, why not Clinton?

It's absurd people are still sticking to this bullshit.

I think it's absurd you and the rest of the NeoLib fan club will forgive ANYTHING Clinton has done that you gladly and frequently crucify (R)'s of any flavor and even most (D)'s for.

The woman could cut a kids heart out on TV, eat it and you all would fucking cream your pants.

Anybody but Clinton is subject to scrutiny going back to their college days and extended family. HRC however can only be judged on what she's said/done since she announced her bid for 2016, unless it looked good. But everything else, everything she's done that we happily thrash anyone else for is absolutely OFF the table for discussion...... or you hate women and people of color.

(D) hypocrisy and double standards born of blind partisanship is at 11 this cycle, absolutely off the fucking charts. I can only suspect that is mostly so (D)'s can feel good about nominating and electing Romney in a pant suit.

 

[sr71plt]

They're just a bit more clever and more consistent about it.

Which, right there, puts anybody and everybody else who tried for the presidency more suitable to do the job of president than Trump is. Don't even really have to go further into his disgusting behavior.

 

[toubab]

USC/LA Times poll

http://cesrusc.org/election/

Trump 45.0

Clinton 43.0

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Speculating on what Trump "really" believes is beside the point. He's a populist demagogue, so what he truly believes in is himself, which also happens to be what his supporters believe in. That's why he can change his position on so many issues and it never affects his popularity. That's why libertarian AJ can speak lovingly of "the Trumpster," a man whose only libertarian stance is low taxes.

I've seen speculation that Trump initially saw his announcement speech reference to Mexicans as criminals and rapists as a throwaway line. He didn't decide to start stressing immigration until his fans latched onto it. Why do you think he made such a big deal about Obama being born in Kenya? Because he's a complete idiot who actually thinks that's the case, or because there was an audience eager to hear that?

That's an egregious lie. The problem with polarization and hate is that if I do not daily dump on his in the most vile and reprehensible manner possible then leads to the idea with those such as yourself, everyone I know hates this crazy bedbug and since A_J is not hating on The Donald, then he is a secret supporter.

I have repeatedly said that I an voting for BIG Johnson. Ask anyone. Maybe you're just too casual a visitor to get that.

Oh, and lest we forget, it was the Clinton campaign, based on Obama's own lies to his publicist, that began the Birther movement.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Botany is doing a good job of demonstrating the art of "evolution" in the Democrat Party while they at the same time expose the flip-flops of the Democrat Trump...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They hate Trump with the white-hot hate of any African-American who goes off the plantation, any Fawkin'Injun who goes off the reservation or any woman who is pro-life...

 

[Adre]

http://cesrusc.org/election/

Trump 45.0

Clinton 43.0

Hope springs eternal for 2blob. He's found the one poll in the country that shows Hillary losing, and he's sticking with it.

 

[about_average]

You're right you didn't say that.

Sorry must be all that super defensive of Clinton posting you've been doing.

I don't think it really matters either, there will be more war.

Just like there will be less opportunity as it is legislated away bit by bit in the name of 'regulation' because regulating for the sake of regulation just to fuck with people is ALWAYS a good thing.

And the wealth inequality gap will continue to grow faster and bigger.

I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I'm hardly "super defensive" when it comes to Clinton. LOL