How do Christians negatively affect your life?

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Religion drags civilisation down. It doesn't advance it. Religion poisons everything.

Bullshit
Absolute bullshit

If Christopher Hitchens isn't your cup of tea, try Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

"As products of the split between man’s soul and body, there are two kinds of teachers of the Morality of Death: the mystics of spirit and the mystics of muscle, whom you call the spiritualists and the materialists, those who believe in consciousness without existence and those who believe in existence without consciousness. Both demand the surrender of your mind, one to their revelations, the other to their reflexes. No matter how loudly they posture in the roles of irreconcilable antagonists, their moral codes are alike, and so are their aims: in matter—the enslavement of man’s body, in spirit—the destruction of his mind."

 

[ll74]

If Christopher Hitchens isn't your cup of tea, try Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

I don't truly care who it is.
If they're arguing that religion hasn't been a part of our advancement, then they're wrong, and so are you.

"As products of the split between man’s soul and body, there are two kinds of teachers of the Morality of Death: the mystics of spirit and the mystics of muscle, whom you call the spiritualists and the materialists, those who believe in consciousness without existence and those who believe in existence without consciousness. Both demand the surrender of your mind, one to their revelations, the other to their reflexes. No matter how loudly they posture in the roles of irreconcilable antagonists, their moral codes are alike, and so are their aims: in matter—the enslavement of man’s body, in spirit—the destruction of his mind."

As a matter of logic, I don't support Aym Rand's perspective in the slightest.
Hitchens has a few good points.

Religion has helped society.
Many parts of it has hurt society as well.
It's not binary

 

[LilKitKat]

Christians proselytize.
That negatively affects my life.

Jews do not do that.
Muslims do not do that.
Buddhists do not do that.
Hindus do not do that.
Shinto, Taoists, Sikhs, Confucianists do not do that.

 

[ll74]

Christians proselytize.
That negatively affects my life.

Jews do not do that.
Muslims do not do that.
Buddhists do not do that.
Hindus do not do that.
Shinto, Taoists, Sikhs, Confucianists do not do that.

Of course they do. You just may not interact with the ones that do.

 

[Chadrone]

You're joking, right?

No. Grab a history book bud.

From the persecution of Galileo to restrictive covenants forbidding Jews from living in certain neighbourhoods in the USA, religion has been a hindrance to civilization, not a "foundation"!

Read Christopher Hitchens' God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. Here's a link to the following review, if you're not up to reading an entire book:

God Is Not Great makes the ultimate case against religion. In a series of acute readings of the major religious texts, Christopher Hitchens demonstrates the ways in which religion is man-made, dangerously sexually repressive, and distorts the very origins of the cosmos. Above all, Hitchens argues that the concept of an omniscient God has profoundly damaged humanity, and proposes that the world might be a great deal better off without "him."

"Butt BAD THINGS!!" yes....bad shit happens, there are bad actors and evil scum bags who do fucked up shit in the name of religion.

But you can't name a single civilization that was ever worth a shit that didn't have it.

You need religion for the social coheasion/order or everything just devolves into primative "fuck you got mine!" tribalism/warlords/street gang 3rd world shit, that's only 1 step removed from the jungle. This is the reality we can observe right now today.

Religion drags civilisation down. It doesn't advance it. Religion poisons everything.

You are rejecting all known/recorded human history and the objective reality we live in today.

Which is fine but you shouldn't be shocked when everyone who paid attention looks at you like you've got a dick growing out of your face.

 

[Chadrone]

Christians proselytize.
That negatively affects my life.

Jews do not do that.
Muslims do not do that.
Buddhists do not do that.
Hindus do not do that.
Shinto, Taoists, Sikhs, Confucianists do not do that.

Retard.

I will never understand the leftoids need to think Muslims are a bunch of lovey dovey hippies who just want to live a holy life..... it's right up there with the idea that a male can become a female just by identifying as such.

Totally fucking insane.

 

[LilKitKat]

Of course they do. You just may not interact with the ones that do.

Actually, Chrisianity is the only major religion thata ctively does.

For the record, I was born Christian. I celebrate Xmas and such. I also do not go to church. I have some problems with the Church in many different areas . There are also hundreds of wonderful people and things about the Church.
I do not have a "war on Christmas/Christianity".

I am an orthodox agnostic. I devoutly believe that I dont know whats out there (and neither does anyone else).

 

[LilKitKat]

Retard.

good job showing your racism, and lack of empathy for people/society who have found that word/term to be rude or offensive.

Yes Islam has done it. Christianity is the worst offender of it...by far.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

No they don't.

You arguably wouldn't have modern science if it wasn't for the Roman Catholic Church.....it certainly wouldn't be where or what it is today without them.

Poor stupid chan.

 

[ll74]

Actually, Chrisianity is the only major religion thata ctively does.

On the whole, perhaps.

But saying it doesn't exist is wrong.

For the record, I was born Christian. I celebrate Xmas and such. I also do not go to church. I have some problems with the Church in many different areas . There are also hundreds of wonderful people and things about the Church.
I do not have a "war on Christmas/Christianity".

I was raised Catholic.
One of the worst stories I have is from Baptists....but not important

I am an orthodox agnostic. I devoutly believe that I dont know whats out there (and neither does anyone else).

I'm an atheist.

 

[LilKitKat]

On the whole, perhaps.

But saying it doesn't exist is wrong.


I was raised Catholic.
One of the worst stories I have is from Baptists....but not important


I'm an atheist.

ok fair. Of course Islam/Muslims have done it. There are always going to be someone somewhere who does it.
Im talking about as a whole.

 

[Chadrone]

good job showing your racism, and lack of empathy for people/society who have found that word/term to be rude or offensive.

You think retards are a race???

Seriously????

I understand why you're so fuckin' offended now

Yes Islam has done it. Christianity is the worst offender of it...by far.

Not only historically wrong, but objectively wrong in the current world we live in.

You're just an islamophiliac like every other progressive jihadi fangirl.

 

[Chadrone]

ok fair. Of course Islam/Muslims have done it. There are always going to be someone somewhere who does it.
Im talking about as a whole.

Over a BILLION muslims as recently as the 2000's claimed to be on a jihad.

The support for islamic jihad among muslims is almost ubiquitus....ready to force you to convert or be put down as an infidel, they literally come out and say this openly all the time. But 'progressive' tards just keep pretending that's just right wing MISINFORMATION......as they go protest as "queers for palestine" LMFAO!!! it's absolutely wild the level of lies that progressives tell themselves.

But you're ok with throwing LGBTQ'z off rooftops because as long as it's Muslims doing it, you're a FANGIRL!!! Anything else will get you called racist by the sisterhood right?? Gotta kiss that moozlem ass every time.

Dude....you've been brainwashed, go visit Afghanistan, Sudan or Somalia and find the fuck out. But I bet you stay in EVIL HORRIBLE WESTERNIZED nations, won't you??? so many Christians threatening to cut your fuckin' head off for getting lippy with a man and claiming their divine right to turn you into rape meat for being out without a male escort right?? nah that would be bad....it's only WONDERFUL DIVERSITY when moozlemz do it. Ultra-Hardcore rape culture and misogyny is PROGRESS as long as Abdul and Mohammed are doing it right?? Am I right??

No trips to Syria or Iraq planned though....careful, not subjecting yourself to an actual rape culture could get you smeared as RACIST!!! LOL

 

[Hel_Books]

Religion has helped society.
Many parts of it has hurt society as well.
It's not binary

This is the same idiocy as we always hear, "Look at Mother Theresa! Look at Martin Luther King Jr.! There are some good religious people in the world!"

Religion is poison. The fact that, for example, charities have been organized by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, etc. etc. etc., all different, antithetical religions, shows only that there are people who do good in the world because they are good people, not because of religion!

Good people do good.
Evil people do evil.
But to persuade good people to do evil, religion is required.

 

[ll74]

This is the same idiocy as we always hear, "Look at Mother Theresa! Look at Martin Luther King Jr.! There are some good religious people in the world!"

Histrionics bullshit

Religion is poison. The fact that, for example, charities have been organized by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, etc. etc. etc., all different, antithetical religions, shows only that there are people who do good in the world because they are good people, not because of religion!

Good people do good.
Evil people do evil.
But to persuade good people to do evil, religion is required.

The world without religion would be an incredible mess.
Sorry.

 

[Chadrone]

This is the same idiocy as we always hear, "Look at Mother Theresa! Look at Martin Luther King Jr.! There are some good religious people in the world!"

That's just what you used to discredit religion.

"But bad people did bad things!!"

Religion is poison.

Then why has there never been a civilization of any note without it??

Why has every civilization that tried to get rid of it collapsed into a primative existence?

Religion (whichever you want to pick some are more sucessful than others) is the underpinning of a stable society. The historical records and observable reality of today demonstrate this with amazing consistency.

And you're just ignoring that which is fine but most people do not ignore that and recognize that though they may not belive in this hokey pokey or the other, that religion with reguard to societal and civilizational stability..... is more than just an imagination celebration. Today especially people are starting to realize it's actually very important to having a functioning society and building a progressive/advancing civilization instead of being another 3rd world shit hole.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
From the persecution of Galileo to restrictive covenants forbidding Jews from living in certain neighbourhoods in the USA, religion has been a hindrance to civilization, not a "foundation"!

Read Christopher Hitchens' God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. Here's a link to the following review, if you're not up to reading an entire book:

God Is Not Great makes the ultimate case against religion. In a series of acute readings of the major religious texts, Christopher Hitchens demonstrates the ways in which religion is man-made, dangerously sexually repressive, and distorts the very origins of the cosmos. Above all, Hitchens argues that the concept of an omniscient God has profoundly damaged humanity, and proposes that the world might be a great deal better off without "him."

"Butt BAD THINGS!!" yes....bad shit happens, there are bad actors and evil scum bags who do fucked up shit in the name of religion.

But you can't name a single civilization that was ever worth a shit that didn't have it.

.

The fact that humans have been superstitious, and so have had religion, doesn't mean that religion makes your civilisation "worth a shit."

Humanity has had slavery (endorsed by the Bible!) for a long time. That doesn't mean the institution of slavery is what makes a civilisation "worth a shit."

Good people do good.
Evil people do evil.
But to persuade good people to do evil, religion is required.
(Anticipating those of you protesting B-b-b-b-but the B-b-b-bible doesn't endorse slavery!" read

Ephesians 6:5-9

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ, 6 not with a slavery performed merely for looks, to please people, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the soul. 7 Render service with enthusiasm, as for the Lord and not for humans, 8 knowing that whatever good we do, we will receive the same again from the Lord, whether we are enslaved or free.)

 

[Hel_Books]

The world without religion would be an incredible mess.
Sorry.

I'm inclined to look at the places in the world with messes, like the middle east, or the India-Pakistan border or the Bangladesh-Myanmar border and think that you're writing those words not because you believe them, but because you can't wrap your mind around the fact that religion is poison.

Good people do good.
Evil people do evil.
But to persuade good people to do evil, religion is required.

 

[LilKitKat]

You think retards are a race???

Seriously????

I understand why you're so fuckin' offended now



Not only historically wrong, but objectively wrong in the current world we live in.

You're just an islamophiliac like every other progressive jihadi fangirl.

no, "retard" is not a very polite term.
but highlighting MUSLIM was calling those who follow Islam out toward your point of view/argument.

as for "islamophiliac"...I have neither love nor hatred for that religion. It is one of the great religions of the world. I actually dont care for the bulk of all religions as a general rule, but have nothing for or against that one in particular.
Yes, you can say many terrorists claim to be Muslims so I should dislike, fear, whatever them.
Fine.
Not all Muslims are terrorists.
Also not all terrorists are Muslims.
Most people who have shot up schools, movie theaters, shopping malls, night clubs, concerts are White male Christians. Should I hate all of them?
Oh wait...you think all liberals, and all females hate all white males.
I forgot.
Nevermind.
Go back to your delusions.

 

[LilKitKat]

Over a BILLION muslims as recently as the 2000's claimed to be on a jihad.

The support for islamic jihad among muslims is almost ubiquitus....ready to force you to convert or be put down as an infidel, they literally come out and say this openly all the time. But 'progressive' tards just keep pretending that's just right wing MISINFORMATION......as they go protest as "queers for palestine" LMFAO!!! it's absolutely wild the level of lies that progressives tell themselves.

But you're ok with throwing LGBTQ'z off rooftops because as long as it's Muslims doing it, you're a FANGIRL!!! Anything else will get you called racist by the sisterhood right?? Gotta kiss that moozlem ass every time.

Dude....you've been brainwashed, go visit Afghanistan, Sudan or Somalia and find the fuck out. But I bet you stay in EVIL HORRIBLE WESTERNIZED nations, won't you??? so many Christians threatening to cut your fuckin' head off for getting lippy with a man and claiming their divine right to turn you into rape meat for being out without a male escort right?? nah that would be bad....it's only WONDERFUL DIVERSITY when moozlemz do it. Ultra-Hardcore rape culture and misogyny is PROGRESS as long as Abdul and Mohammed are doing it right?? Am I right??

No trips to Syria or Iraq planned though....careful, not subjecting yourself to an actual rape culture could get you smeared as RACIST!!! LOL

wow, how much fun did you have writing this nonsense?

thanks for the giggle today

 

[ll74]

I'm inclined to look at the places in the world with messes, like the middle east, or the India-Pakistan border or the Bangladesh-Myanmar border and think that you're writing those words not because you believe them, but because you can't wrap your mind around the fact that religion is poison.

Good people do good.
Evil people do evil.
But to persuade good people to do evil, religion is required.

Yes, you look at how things are in the immediate and skip over how it was prior to that.

Religion prevents people from doing bad shit. It also causes them to do bad shit.

The baseline without religion is worse.

For a majority of people, they could never be atheist because they'd likely do horrible things.

 

[LilKitKat]

Histrionics bullshit


The world without religion would be an incredible mess.
Sorry.

I agree with the part where you said religion has helped many people.
I also think religion has caused most of the troubles/wars in the world.
I think a world without RELIGION (read: not laws, not morals and ethics) would be a better place. But yes, religion also can be a good thing, has helped many people, causes doubt in people to not do something bad, whatever.

 

[ll74]

I agree with the part where you said religion has helped many people.
I also think religion has caused most of the troubles/wars in the world.
I think a world without RELIGION (read: not laws, not morals and ethics) would be a better place.

Yes, bad shit and good shit occurs because of religion.
The baseline would be worse without it.

 

[LilKitKat]

Yes, bad shit and good shit occurs because of religion.
The baseline would be worse without it.

mmmm maybe. We can amicably agree to disagree. Or at least, I dont know but am choosing to believe that isnt accurate.

 

[Chadrone]

The fact that humans have been superstitious, and so have had religion, doesn't mean that religion makes your civilisation "worth a shit."

Then you should be able to point to a civilization of some notable sucess that didn't have a religious foundation of some kind......just one would be fine and I'll concede you win the "religion is poison" argument.