How long will the legacy of lies for the Obama regime last?

[BotanyBoy]

In my world, corruption means one is engaging in criminal activities.

You don't think ubercorps paying politicians to fuck the public in the pocket book is corruption?

Wow....

Glad you're an ardent Citizens United supporter and full on corporatist, at least you have the guts to own it, unlike so many other lefties on this board.

Are you accusing President Obama of engaging in criminal activities?

Yes, and I'm also accusing him of selling out the people he's supposed to represent to fill his pockets.

Not, at any rate, because Obama made a quid pro quo deal with the insurers before the elections.

He sold the people out....like I said.

Yes. That is why the original proposal included a public option, from which no private insurer would benefit.

Original doesn't mean shit, what actually happened does.

(D)'s and Obummer sold the people out on every fucking level they could for 8 years straight.

Proof is in the pudding, had they not been total shit bags HRC would be in the WH.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's bullshit, not the first black President. Would have never gotten enough votes in the House and certainly not 67 in the Senate.

No, but making the effort would have been red meat for the Pubs' base, many of whom did not at all like having a black President. They would have introduced articles of impeachment if they could have found a single colorable misdeed to hang it on.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Oh and let's not forget his greatest achievement, expanding the PATRIOT act he condemned when (R) was doing it so that he could summarily execute US citizens without due process using weapons of war!!

And I be you nor any other (D) so much as uttered a fucking peep of negativity about it either, it's totally cool to shit can civil rights and kill people when (D) does it right???

The correct answer is his "greatest achievement" might well be his consistency in continuing the war on terror begun by GW under war making authority granted by Congress and tacitly recognized, if not fully and formally upheld, by the United States Supreme Court, and to hell with anyone (D) or (R) who doesn't understand that the "due process rights" of a United States citizen don't (and aren't supposed to) mean shit when you voluntarily align yourself with the legally designated enemies of "your" country.

I'm not a big fan of his hypocrisy of killing people as opposed to "torturing" them with a slap in the face, but that's all about the hypocrisy; not the end result.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The correct answer is his "greatest achievement" might well be his consistency in continuing the war on terror begun by GW under war making authority granted by Congress and tacitly recognized, if not fully and formally upheld, by the United States Supreme Court, and to hell with anyone (D) or (R) who doesn't understand that the "due process rights" of a United States citizen don't (and aren't supposed to) mean shit when you voluntarily align yourself with the legally designated enemies of "your" country.

I'm not a big fan of his hypocrisy of killing people as opposed to "torturing" them with a slap in the face, but that's all about the hypocrisy; not the end result.

I don't see why it should make a difference whether a person killed by a U.S. drone strike is a U.S. citizen or not -- nothing in the Bill of Rights applies only to citizens; but it does make a difference whether he is an intended target or not, and many killed by drone strikes have not been, it's an imprecise weapon that has killed many innocents who only happened to be at the same funeral or wedding or public event as a terrorist, or somebody mistaken for one. We deserved to lose any international respect that policy lost us, and what we gained in dead enemies probably was not worth that. This is not the kind of "war" where collateral damage is inevitable, at least not from American actions, therefore it is not the kind of "war" where collateral damage is acceptable.

Funny, that's the one Obama policy I can never recall Trump criticizing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The correct answer is his "greatest achievement" might well be his consistency in continuing the war on terror begun by GW under war making authority granted by Congress and tacitly recognized, if not fully and formally upheld, by the United States Supreme Court, and to hell with anyone (D) or (R) who doesn't understand that the "due process rights" of a United States citizen don't (and aren't supposed to) mean shit when you voluntarily align yourself with the legally designated enemies of "your" country.

I'm not a big fan of his hypocrisy of killing people as opposed to "torturing" them with a slap in the face, but that's all about the hypocrisy; not the end result.

I know, I'm just pointing out the huge hypocrisy of it all.

but it does make a difference whether he is an intended target or not, and many killed by drone strikes have not been,.

More than a few have....and you and all the other "Bush is evil because PATRIOT act!! and war on brown people!!!!" never said a fuckin' word when (D)ear Leader was doing it.

When he did it suddenly the war was all good and cool!!

LOL The guy could have slaughtered 50 million Americans and as long as they were white male (R)'s from red states you and your lot would have cheered.

Funny, that's the one Obama policy I can never recall Trump criticizing.

Don't really care anymore, I hope uses it to start bombing Anti-FA terrorist cells.

 

[KingOrfeo]

More than a few have....and you and all the other "Bush is evil because PATRIOT act!! and war on brown people!!!!" never said a fuckin' word when (D)ear Leader was doing it.

There has in fact been a lot of criticism of Obama's use of drones, and practically all of it has come from Dems and liberals and leftists.

 

[BotanyBoy]

There has in fact been a lot of criticism of Obama's use of drones,

It's be pretty minimal and tame to boot....usually a casual joke is about as bad as it god for (D)ear Leader.

Absolutely NOTHING like the wails (D)'s made when Bush was doing it or did the PATRIOT act in the first place.

and practically all of it has come from Dems and liberals and leftists.

Because drones get (R)'s paid.

It's like how many (D)'s do you see bitching about tax dollars going to Chinese solar panels which are UBER toxic to produce because they just pour all their toxic waste into the oceans??

Or all the ethanol 'green' fuel bullshit that isn't fucking green at all once you factor in how much petrol energy goes into producing the shit.

None...no lefties ever say shit about it because it keeps food on their table and they fuckin' know it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

In my world, corruption means one is engaging in criminal activities.

Are you accusing President Obama of engaging in criminal activities?

Yes, and I'm also accusing him of selling out the people he's supposed to represent to fill his pockets.

Bear in mind that those are two very different things, and the latter is not corruption. And I doubt he was filling his pockets; no POTUS (before Trump, at least) does while in office; that part comes now, from book deals and speaking fees.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Bear in mind that those are two very different things, and the latter is not corruption.

I know, and it should be.

And I doubt he has been filling his pockets; no POTUS does while in office; that part comes now, from book deals and speaking fees.

That part comes now that he's held his end up and bent the working class over for Mega bux he gets his personal kick backs. That's how the US plutocracy works, didn't you know?

 

[pointless]

this is boring. you guys are boring. stop being boring.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That part comes now that he's held his end up and bent the working class over for Mega bux he gets his personal kick backs. That's how the US plutocracy works, didn't you know?

A POTUS would not have to do any of that to get post-office book deals and speaking fees. Sanders would get them if he were elected last year and left office alive, and however you feel about his politics, you know he would never fuck the working class (intentionally; let's leave the effects you would expect from his policies out of this), and certainly not for bucks. Even Nixon got a book deal, despite public "Don't buy books from crooks!" protests. The nature of the office makes it inevitable.

 

[BotanyBoy]

A POTUS would not have to do any of that to get post-office book deals and speaking fees.

You don't get 750k dollars to stop by for brunch unless you do something for them.

And it ain't running their dick suckers either.

It's passing those Monsanto protection acts and pushing that green energy funding and ACA fucking the working class in the pocket book etc.

you know he would never fuck the working class

Ummm.....that's ALL he and the (D)'s (California D's especially) ever did, every chance they had.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Ummm.....that's ALL he and the (D)'s (California D's especially) ever did, every chance they had.

When did Sanders ever fuck the working class?

 

[BotanyBoy]

When did Sanders ever fuck the working class?

He hasn't done much of anything thank gawd.

He wants to control them via economic slavery. Limit how much they are allowed to make, and then take most of it from them for the privilege.

It doesn't get any bigger of a butt fuck for the working class.

But his (D) buddies aren't any better.

 

[doowdniw]

The dishonesty, incompetence, and corruption is so pervasive it will probably never be rinsed away. It won't matter to his lemmings. They'll consider him a god the rest of their lives.

Obama will be Trumpenzel's goat for as long as Donnie keeps losing. I'd give it a little less than four years, but hopefully a lot less.

 

[water505]

Obama will be Trumpenzel's goat for as long as Donnie keeps losing. I'd give it a little less than four years, but hopefully a lot less.

Obama is hardly a goat. He's the problem.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Obama did not have a regime. FDR had a regime. Obama had an administration.

As for his legacy, its most conspicuous element is the ACA. It is now obvious the ACA will not be repealed without replacement -- no way are we turning the clock back to 2008 WRT health care -- and will not be replaced until the Congressional Pubs can agree on something that looks distinguishable from the ACA but keeps enough of its provisions that voting for it will not be electoral suicide even in the red states. IOW, the only politically possible thing they can do with Obamacare is to actually improve it, just like Trump spent his campaign promising to do.

Turns out that Obama had a regime, from the IRS that attacked the right, to the White House spying on the Senate through Trump-style "wire tapping."

 

[Tristyn]

You don't think ubercorps paying politicians to fuck the public in the pocket book is corruption?

Wow....

Glad you're an ardent Citizens United supporter and full on corporatist, at least you have the guts to own it, unlike so many other lefties on this board.

Yes, and I'm also accusing him of selling out the people he's supposed to represent to fill his pockets.

Please present your findings in the following format:

1. The specific criminal activity President Obama was engaged in. Please list each specific engagement of criminal activity as a separate entry.

2. The date when President Obama allegedly engaged in the criminal activity. Please list each date as a separate entry.

3. If President Obama was engaged in criminal activity, why hasn't he been charged?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

re #3

Same reason Hillary Clinton or Susan Rice will never be charged.


Laws are for, "we," the little people.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Obama did not have a regime. FDR had a regime. Obama had an administration.

As for his legacy, its most conspicuous element is the ACA. It is now obvious the ACA will not be repealed without replacement -- no way are we turning the clock back to 2008 WRT health care -- and will not be replaced until the Congressional Pubs can agree on something that looks distinguishable from the ACA but keeps enough of its provisions that voting for it will not be electoral suicide even in the red states. IOW, the only politically possible thing they can do with Obamacare is to actually improve it, just like Trump spent his campaign promising to do.

KO 100% spot on.

"Repeal and Replace" just became "Amend and Perfect". GOP is proposing to fund the risk pools, which they gutted in the Senate last year and was a problem of their own making, and get premiums some relief.

What else do you see in your crystal ball?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Obama is hardly a goat. He's the problem.

He goes to the beach now. He windsurfs and hang-glides. How is he a problem for anybody?

 

[Rightguide]

Turns out that Obama had a regime, from the IRS that attacked the right, to the White House spying on the Senate through Trump-style "wire tapping."

He weaponized a regime or cabal for use against his political enemies in order to solidify Democrat control of the government.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

KO 100% spot on.

"Repeal and Replace" just became "Amend and Perfect". GOP is proposing to fund the risk pools, which they gutted in the Senate last year and was a problem of their own making, and get premiums some relief.

What else do you see in your crystal ball?

Proof?

Of any sort?

Or is this just opinion, because the Republicans, as a body, just refused to do that. Democrats still own health care, all of it, good and bad. You were sold on the conflicting duality that young people would fund the risk pool, by mandate, while staying on their parent's healthcare until they were over 26...

 

[Rightguide]

He goes to the beach now. He windsurfs and hang-glides. How is he a problem for anybody?

His "government in exile" is hard at work doing his prearranged bidding to undermine the Trump presidency and further his war against America.

 

[KingOrfeo]

His "government in exile" is hard at work doing his prearranged bidding to undermine the Trump presidency and further his war against America.

Cite?