How Soon Will Cuba Fall?

[Wilson23]

During the campaign: “America first! No foreign intervention!”

Now: (see quote above)

I remember when they protested Obama's intervention in Libya -- even though it was limited to dropping bombs, no boots on the ground at all.

Which is rather sad, when you think of it -- how could the USG have passed up a chance to send MARINES to TRIPOLI?!

 

[Chernosoth]

Cuban people will decide when they're done with their socialist dictatorship, as they did when they were done with the Bautista regime. But the next regime may still be another dictatorship. Meanwhile, Cuba will be losing land under rising sea level, so more Cubans will be looking for anywhere else that will let them in. Mexico is becoming less desert and more tropics.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I know Cubans who escaped that nightmare firsthand. I genuinely care about freedom for those people, and I absolutely refuse to tolerate the risk of a new Russian or Chinese military launch site just 90 miles off our coast.

That's all the more reason you should have been championing us opening relationships sooner, not overthrowing their government and putting their lives in infinitely more danger. You know a good way to keep these potential launch sites from being built? Bring them into to the fold.

 

[Wilson23]

Mexico becomes crucial fuel supplier to Cuba but pledges no extra shipments after Maduro toppled

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-c...mp-venezuela-7ec85826c98f23226c2534954b2c2b6f

MEXICO CITY (AP) — As the United States prepares to seize control of Venezuelan oil and the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump hardens its stance toward Cuba, Mexico has emerged as a key fuel supplier to Havana.

It’s a role that could further complicate already strained relations with the Trump administration, even though the Mexican government insists that exports to the island have not increased.

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum acknowledged on Wednesday that “with the current situation in Venezuela, Mexico has become an important supplier” of crude oil to Cuba, but asserted that “no more oil is being sent than has been sent historically; there is no specific shipment.”

She added that those shipments are made via “contracts” or as “humanitarian aid,” but offered no concrete figures on the number of barrels exported.

 

[Rightguide]

During the campaign: “America first! No foreign intervention!”

Now: (see quote above)

Russia, China, and Cuba will no longer feast on discounted Venezuelan oil. The United States now controls not just Venezuela’s oil production, but the disposition of that oil itself. With a single move, Trump slapped Putin and Beijing hard. Russia is being pushed out of our hemisphere, and China’s days of buying oil at $20 a barrel and reselling it across the Western Hemisphere are coming to an end. This leverage will be used to finish off communism in Cuba and break its grip throughout the region. By securing access to proven oil reserves larger than those of the Middle East, the U.S. has reshaped the global energy map, and with it, the international balance of power.

 

[ll74]

Russia, China, and Cuba will no longer feast on discounted Venezuelan oil. The United States now controls not just Venezuela’s oil production, but the disposition of that oil itself. With a single move, Trump slapped Putin and Beijing hard. Russia is being pushed out of our hemisphere, and China’s days of buying oil at $20 a barrel and reselling it across the Western Hemisphere are coming to an end. This leverage will be used to finish off communism in Cuba and break its grip throughout the region. By securing access to proven oil reserves larger than those of the Middle East, the U.S. has reshaped the global energy map, and with it, the international balance of power.

But I thought it was about the drugs.

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By the way, there is no real oil production. Not even 1mil barrels a day

 

[Rightguide]

That's all the more reason you should have been championing us opening relationships sooner, not overthrowing their government and putting their lives in infinitely more danger. You know a good way to keep these potential launch sites from being built? Bring them into to the fold.

End their communist system first.

 

[Wilson23]

Cuba defiant as it braces for post-Maduro era
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz9vg0w9w28o

 

[Wilson23]

End their communist system first.

Well, there's no good reason to, is there? We can afford to tolerate the presence of a Communist state in the Western Hemisphere.

 

[Rotadom]

End their communist system first.

And then what? We take over?

"We're not the world police!" DJT, known pedo and convicted felon

 

[Rightguide]

But I thought it was about the drugs.

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It is, now that Maduro is gone, his drug empire will be dismantled. Controlling the economy of Venezuela is how it will be accomplished.

By the way, there is no real oil production. Not even 1mil barrels a day

That will change as soon as Chevron reclaims its property and improves its infrastructure with up to date technology.

 

[Wilson23]

It is, now that Maduro is gone, his drug empire will be dismantled.

THAT ain't gonna happen!

For one thing, HE never had one.

For another, no actually existing drug empire is in any danger at all from this.

 

[Wilson23]

That will change as soon as Chevron reclaims its property

Chevron has nothing to "reclaim."

 

[Wilson23]

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/...rs-grow-of-economic-collapse-in-cuba-00714716
‘People would attempt to flee’: Concern grows over possible Cuba collapse
The Trump administration is expressing confidence Cuba will fall, but there are concerns the US doesn’t have a plan.

An economic collapse in Cuba, just 90 miles from Florida’s shores, could bring with it stark consequences for the United States, given the high risk of human suffering over lack of food, energy and other resources that could drive mass migration, according to five former U.S. officials who worked on Latin America policy.

And while the Trump administration believes Cuba will fail in the wake of Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro’s capture, there is concern that the U.S. doesn’t have a plan to manage the fallout.

With the Trump administration exerting control over Venezuela, Cuba has lost one of its principal economic patrons and oil suppliers. The island, already in economic dire straits, will face even deeper financial problems unless it finds another government willing to provide it with the oil it once received from Venezuela — the import of which until a week ago it exchanged for money and personnel. Cuba has dodged collapse for decades but Maduro’s capture poses perhaps the greatest threat to the regime since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And a failed state could lead to an exodus of Cubans looking for refuge in the United States.

“If history is any indication, there would be mass migration, people would attempt to flee,” said Jeffrey DeLaurentis, the former charge d’affaires at the U.S. embassy in Cuba during the Obama and first Trump administrations. “All we have to do is look at the island over the last three or four years.”

That concern has been “an argument against bringing the state down in the absence of something to replace it, because where do the people go?” said Ricardo Zúñiga, one of the architects of the Obama administration’s efforts to reopen relations with Cuba.

 

[ll74]

It is, now that Maduro is gone, his drug empire will be dismantled. Controlling the economy of Venezuela is how it will be accomplished.

The same people are in charge

That will change as soon as Chevron reclaims its property and improves its infrastructure with up to date technology.

Yes, likely a decade or so for that.

 

[Hel_Books]

Cuba has endured six straight years of recession, and now the Venezuelan oil spigot is effectively shut off. That makes collapse a matter of timing,

On the other hand, people have been making these kind of predictions since before young Donald Trump was spanked and sent to military school for misbehaviour.

 

[MajorRewrite]

This leverage will be used to finish off communism in Cuba and break its grip throughout the region.

Thank you for demonstrating how MAGA sheep have been shepherded so easily from “no more foreign intervention” to “fuck yeah, we’re gonna run all these countries!”

 

[Wilson23]

This leverage will be used to finish off communism in Cuba and break its grip throughout the region,

What "grip"?

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

its like donnie j trump is gonna start world war 3

 

[Rebel5soul]

Cuba has endured six straight years of recession, and now the Venezuelan oil spigot is effectively shut off. That makes collapse a matter of timing, not speculation. The United States now controls access to Venezuela’s oil market, which raises an obvious question: where exactly is Cuba supposed to get its energy, and what concessions will Havana have to make to persuade Trump to allow any at all?

Trump has systematically pushed both Russia and China out of Venezuela and cut off their privileged access to its oil. The knock-on effects are already visible. Without Venezuelan crude to ship home, China’s strategic rationale for exerting influence over Panama and the canal weakens dramatically. Once that leverage disappears, their presence there is likely to unravel as well.

Watching the ripple effect of Trumps initiatives are like watching a global realignment unfold.

The Cuban collapse is downstream so it will be slower. But your question about what the deal is going to look like when the final wall fails is a good one. What the final is going to be is up in the air for now but the starting point will be reparations of the $4 billion + of US assets that Castro seized and accumulated interest. It's going to be a BIG bill.

 

[Wilson23]

Watching the ripple effect of Trumps initiatives are like watching a global realignment unfold.

Not realignment, dissolution.

 

[Sean Renaud]

End their communist system first.

The lives of the people should come before politics. Politics should be the least of your concerns. It would probably be a lot easier to coax them out of communism if say a certain President was able to built resorts that would create local jobs and bring in tourist anyway. Maybe start selling those legendary cigars legally. I don't smoke so I don't know if they are worth it but everybody I know who does has had one. All but one thinks they are a overrated but I dunno.

 

[Havanawang]

The lives of the people should come before politics. Politics should be the least of your concerns. It would probably be a lot easier to coax them out of communism if say a certain President was able to built resorts that would create local jobs and bring in tourist anyway. Maybe start selling those legendary cigars legally. I don't smoke so I don't know if they are worth it but everybody I know who does has had one. All but one thinks they are a overrated but I dunno.

Long ago and across the Atlantic I was invited to stay with new acquaintances at their pink stucco home "shang-grila" alongside one of the narrow canals so common in parts of europe. This one was in. Calais, France, a port on the English channel. The man and woman owners and hosts had met during WW2 When he ran an officers mess out of a commandeered chateau and she served in the capacity required by the moment's need. Let's just say she was flexible. Every afternoon around 4 PM the gentleman and I would retire into a grotto alongside the home sequestered among giant topiary and serenaded with birdsong. Along with ourselves we brought two quarts of common French lager and a small packet of dechets, common name for small cigarillos made from the floor sweeping in the Cuban cigar factories. It was the ABSOLUTE BEST, MOST SATISFYING TOBACCO EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE...

 

[YouteAllDumbLikeReallyDumb]

More here: https://www.cubaheadlines.com/articles/288570?utm_

I see posts from you Americans on here and wonder if you're stupid or just a very propagandized people. I'm not sure which, but you have posted a news link to a CIA backed fake news site. They get funding from the National Endowment for Democracy, which is a CIA front group that creates fake news media about countries opposed to business interests of US corporations. Like every socialist country.

Even the Americans that are arguing with you didn't question the article or who created it. Still not sure if you're all dumb or just heavily propagandized. The fact that a country that is supposedly heavily censored and under great state repression has an HQ for this news site listed as Havana should have made you question how much of that is true. A country with heavy censorship wouldn't permit a CIA backed newspaper into their country.

 

[Chernosoth]

Cuba doesn't have much that we need. It has plenty of sugar, but too much sugar in American food is a large part of American obesity and diabetes. Nicotine is an effective virus blocker, but it's also addictive. Cigars are probably healthier than the government sponsored injections, but there are still much healthier options. Unvaxxed farmers fleeing the dictatorship to work on American farms and have American farming kids may be Cuba's greatest asset.