How Soon Will Cuba Fall?

[latecomer91364]

Cuba had one of the better economies before Castro's reign turned it into a shithole - like Venezuela. Thanks for the socialism!

 

[Wilson23]

Politically Cuba has a system that would be more democratic than anything we've got here -- a lot happens in public meetings at the level of the municipality, which is a unit smaller than an American county -- if only the Communist Party did not control every stage of the process. Is there some way that, at least, can be preserved?

 

[Rebel5soul]

Cuba doesn't have much that we need. It has plenty of sugar, but too much sugar in American food is a large part of American obesity and diabetes. Nicotine is an effective virus blocker, but it's also addictive. Cigars are probably healthier than the government sponsored injections, but there are still much healthier options. Unvaxxed farmers fleeing the dictatorship to work on American farms and have American farming kids may be Cuba's greatest asset.

Land, lots of land and it all belongs to the government. Just a matter of h9ow much land it would take to retire a $4 billion +/- debt and 65 years of compounded interest.

 

[Wilson23]

Land, lots of land and it all belongs to the government. Just a matter of h9ow much land it would take to retire a $4 billion +/- debt and 65 years of compounded interest.

Nobody is OWED 65 years' interest for anything. The owners of property nationalized in 1959 have no claims.

 

[Rightguide]

Its okay child. PErhaps not you specifically since you weren't here yet. The Right collectively we nore backing Obama on that play and I feel safe saying based on everything you've posted over the years that youw ould have been right there with them. You don't give a single fuck about the people. You're not fooling anybody. Please get out there and champion your fellow Americans from Puerto Rico against your twice President. IS that too high a mountain to climb?

“It’s okay, child" is what people say when they’ve run out of arguments and are left with condescension and bad grammar. What follows is a mess of historical ignorance and pure projection. The Right wasn’t ‘collectively backing Obama’ on whatever fantasy you’re referencing, and pretending otherwise doesn’t make it true, it just makes you confidently wrong. I didn't like Obama or his policies, I'll admit that, but I wasn't here when he was President. I rolled in on the Trump Train.

You also don’t get to invent my beliefs or my past to fill the gaps in your argument. That’s not insight, it’s your intellectual laziness. You confuse disagreement with apathy, slogans with substance, and moral posturing with actual concern for people.

And the Puerto Rico bit? Completely baseless. You have no idea where I’m from, so you grabbed an imaginary identity as a rhetorical prop. That’s just more of your cosplay. You’re not defending people; you’re using them.

You don’t care about truth, and you don’t care about people. You care about sounding righteous while getting the facts wrong. If intellectual honesty were a mountain, you wouldn’t make base camp.

 

[MajorRewrite]

You care about sounding righteous while getting the facts wrong.

A perfect description of you, RightGuide. Good job.

 

[Wilson23]

And the Puerto Rico bit? Completely baseless. You have no idea where I’m from, so you grabbed an imaginary identity as a rhetorical prop.

The people of PR are your fellow AMERICANS even if you have never in your life been there.

 

[Rightguide]

A perfect description of you, RightGuide. Good job.

To date, you have failed to refute any fact I have presented. Here's a perfect description for you: MajorRewrite – A senior officer in charge of constantly editing history after it fails to cooperate with reality, a battlefield title she earned in the War on Memory.

 

[Wilson23]

To date, you have failed to refute any fact I have presented. Here's a perfect description for you: MajorRewrite – A senior officer in charge of constantly editing history after it fails to cooperate with reality, a battlefield title she earned in the War on Memory.

No, that would be Francis Fukuyama.

 

[Rightguide]

The people of PR are your fellow AMERICANS even if you have never in your life been there.

Puerto Ricans can only vote in presidential elections if they move to and reside in a U.S. state. As citizens of a U.S. territory, they cannot vote for president while living in Puerto Rico. Additionally, Puerto Rico has no voting members in Congress, its Resident Commissioner can participate but cannot cast binding votes on the House floor. So, while Puerto Ricans are full American citizens, their political rights remain limited as long as they live on the island.

 

[Wilson23]

Puerto Ricans can only vote in presidential elections if they move to and reside in a U.S. state. As citizens of a U.S. territory, they cannot vote for president while living in Puerto Rico. Additionally, Puerto Rico has no voting members in Congress, its Resident Commissioner can participate but cannot cast binding votes on the House floor. So, while Puerto Ricans are full American citizens, their political rights remain limited as long as they live on the island.

Or until we make PR a state of the Union, and why shouldn't we?

 

[YouteAllDumbLikeReallyDumb]

Cuba had one of the better economies before Castro's reign turned it into a shithole - like Venezuela. Thanks for the socialism!

Is it common for Americans to not know that before Castro, Cuba was a slave colony?

 

[Wilson23]

Is it common for Americans to not know that before Castro, Cuba was a slave colony?

Well, that was back in the 19th Century. The Cuba Castro took over was a no-more-than-quasi-independent American protectorate.

 

[YouteAllDumbLikeReallyDumb]

Well, that was back in the 19th Century. The Cuba Castro took over was a no-more-than-quasi-independent American protectorate.

Fair enough. From what I've read, it didn't fare much better before the 1960s. Similar to what America did when they abolished slavery but kept your black citizens on plantations so it was slavery in all but name.

I'm consistently bemused with the lack of knowledge that Americans have of countries they're told by their government to hate. This post says that Cuba is a dictatorship yet has better labor rights than Americans. Their economy is shit yet their citizens have a better standard of living than most, if not all of Latin America. We know these things outside of the United States. Your government has lied to you about things that are assumed to be common knowledge.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Long ago and across the Atlantic I was invited to stay with new acquaintances at their pink stucco home "shang-grila" alongside one of the narrow canals so common in parts of europe. This one was in. Calais, France, a port on the English channel. The man and woman owners and hosts had met during WW2 When he ran an officers mess out of a commandeered chateau and she served in the capacity required by the moment's need. Let's just say she was flexible. Every afternoon around 4 PM the gentleman and I would retire into a grotto alongside the home sequestered among giant topiary and serenaded with birdsong. Along with ourselves we brought two quarts of common French lager and a small packet of dechets, common name for small cigarillos made from the floor sweeping in the Cuban cigar factories. It was the ABSOLUTE BEST, MOST SATISFYING TOBACCO EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE...

I don't doubt either of you. The people I know are the kind of "snobs" that sometimes hate on things because everybody else likes them and that's enough all by itself. Me having no relevant experience can only trust the rest of you. Thanks for the input.

 

[Wilson23]

Fair enough. From what I've read, it didn't fare much better before the 1960s. Similar to what America did when they abolished slavery but kept your black citizens on plantations so it was slavery in all but name.

Now that IS something nobody ever seems to talk about. I once saw Cuba described as a country where previous racial injustice had been corrected -- I saw that here: https://www.amazon.com/State-World-...91&sprefix=state+of+the+world+,aps,289&sr=8-2

There are probably still reasons why it's no fun to be black in Cuba, but it's nothing like what it was.

 

[Sean Renaud]

“It’s okay, child" is what people say when they’ve run out of arguments and are left with condescension and bad grammar. What follows is a mess of historical ignorance and pure projection. The Right wasn’t ‘collectively backing Obama’ on whatever fantasy you’re referencing, and pretending otherwise doesn’t make it true, it just makes you confidently wrong. I didn't like Obama or his policies, I'll admit that, but I wasn't here when he was President. I rolled in on the Trump Train.

I'm not out of arguments. I'm simply polite enough to accept your premise. You like to play the game of you're an individual yadda yadda and the Right isn't a collective when that's demonstrably false. The LEft is too but to a much, much lesser degree.

You also don’t get to invent my beliefs or my past to fill the gaps in your argument. That’s not insight, it’s your intellectual laziness. You confuse disagreement with apathy, slogans with substance, and moral posturing with actual concern for people.

And the Puerto Rico bit? Completely baseless. You have no idea where I’m from, so you grabbed an imaginary identity as a rhetorical prop. That’s just more of your cosplay. You’re not defending people; you’re using them.

You don’t care about truth, and you don’t care about people. You care about sounding righteous while getting the facts wrong. If intellectual honesty were a mountain, you wouldn’t make base camp.

The fact is you won't state your beliefs because you know once you do it would be easy to nail you down. Any time you ask anybody on the left what we think on a topic we answer you clearly. I don't care where you're from I know what you vote. I love the truth its the only thing that matters. But you are deeply dishonest.

 

[Wilson23]

It's not likely Communism in Cuba will fall abruptly like in the Eastern European "hole in the flag" revolutions. If the U.S. successfully pressured them to hold free multiparty elections, that would open a prolonged and furious national DEBATE about the value of socialism, many taking a certain national pride in their homegrown version of it, and others viewing "Bolivarianism" as a viable alternative model of it.