hypothetically speaking

[smoothg103rd]

Yeah, well, do the sex shit on someone that didn't tell you to and the same thing happens.

As a drug user you should be able to appreciate that people use BDSM to create brain drugs. Having a whole lotta input and setting off fear, pain and other stuff during sex can feel awfully good.

You don't need to kinkshame or compare it to something else, you can just compare it to consensual sex.

People are into different things, their brains work differently, and if they get up and walk away thinking "That was awesome!" then good.

They can't if they are dead.

Someone can kill and get up saying that was awesome. Is that good too? I don't knock people for their kinks. I just want people to be honest and stop trying to justify shit. Justifying it because it's what they do.

Prime example. I'm a drug dealer, but I sell drugs to people that want them, I don't force anything. They buy it and I give them what they want. So what's the difference between me and Pharmacy? So what's the difference between a man that beat on women and someone that's into bdsm?

 

[pete]

Why not? I'll still face murder charges.

doesn't this sorta answer your question ?

 

[pensivepoet]

Smoot, do you even know how much you are sounding like donkey boy?
Don't surround yourself with yourself, move on back two squares.

 

[Recidiva]

Someone can kill and get up saying that was awesome. Is that good too? I don't knock people for their kinks. I just want people to be honest and stop trying to justify shit. Justifying it because it's what they do.

Prime example. I'm a drug dealer, but I sell drugs to people that want them, I don't force anything. They buy it and I give them what they want. So what's the difference between me and Pharmacy? So what's the difference between a man that beat on women and someone that's into bdsm?

Yeah, you knock people for their kinks. You don't really know what you're talking about here, you just have a prejudice where you equate nonconsensual pain with consensual pain and you treat them the same.

It's not a good example. This is a logical fallacy called false equivalency.

However, knowing it's a false equivalency I'll take a stab at why it's false.

Drugs come from somewhere. Sometimes they come from places where murder and slavery take place to produce and mule them. People die in the production of drugs, in the sale of drugs and in the use of drugs. People risk and lose their lives, including lots of civilian damage in terms of how it's produced, how it's trafficked and how it's used.

Maybe the transaction between you and the user is always clean and nothing bad ever happens, but I kinda doubt that. I also doubt that the supplier you buy from has never had a single casualty or taken a personal risk. I think there's a body count, certainly a livelihood count, and a lot of time behind bars, including ruined families, etc., etc...sure you can fill in blanks here.

Whereas with sex, only two people are involved, only two people are affected and with things like safe words, harm can be avoided.

Same can't be said about drugs from either you or the Pharmacy.

Personally I think all drugs should be legal and people can then take the personal risk and pay taxes on it, and all the black market bullshit disappears. Then I don't care, get whatever you want from the pharmacy, take your own personal risk, pay the personal price.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Smoot, do you even know how much you are sounding like donkey boy?
Don't surround yourself with yourself, move on back two squares.

Fuck is a donkey boy?

 

[pensivepoet]

Fuck is a donkey boy?

A sad lil guy who condemns anything he doesn't understand while justifying his own perversions and declaring himself King of Righteous Mountain.
You seem to be hung up lately on this bdsm thing, and it seems you want to define it in an unfair manner.
Hows come?

 

[smoothg103rd]

Yeah, you knock people for their kinks. You don't really know what you're talking about here, you just have a prejudice where you equate nonconsensual pain with consensual pain and you treat them the same.

It's not a good example. This is a logical fallacy called false equivalency.

However, knowing it's a false equivalency I'll take a stab at why it's false.

Drugs come from somewhere. Sometimes they come from places where murder and slavery take place to produce and mule them. People die in the production of drugs, in the sale of drugs and in the use of drugs. People risk and lose their lives, including lots of civilian damage in terms of how it's produced, how it's trafficked and how it's used.

Maybe the transaction between you and the user is always clean and nothing bad ever happens, but I kinda doubt that. I also doubt that the supplier you buy from has never had a single casualty or taken a personal risk. I think there's a body count, certainly a livelihood count, and a lot of time behind bars, including ruined families, etc., etc...sure you can fill in blanks here.

Whereas with sex, only two people are involved, only two people are affected and with things like safe words, harm can be avoided.

Same can't be said about drugs from either you or the Pharmacy.

Personally I think all drugs should be legal and people can then take the personal risk and pay taxes on it, and all the black market bullshit disappears. Then I don't care, get whatever you want from the pharmacy, take your own personal risk, pay the personal price.

Why do men beat on their women? For respect, power and control. Why do men beat on women during sex? For respect, power and control. Whats the difference?

Let me paint a picture for you. I'm at Walmart and I'm in a verbal altercation with a young woman. She start getting loud spitting and putting her hands on me. I have enough of her hitting me, so I slap her once, no blood, no bruise, nothing. But I'm at Walmart surrounded by 1000s of people, mainly women,so they took offense to me slapping the young woman. So when the cops show up the woman press charges and I go to jail " for beating a woman " so therefore I am label as I woman beater,right? Because I Ray Rice her. But I didn't leave a scar or bruise and no blood. But this guy have a young woman hanging up in his basement beating her with belts and paddles,smacking and choking her leaving all kind of scars and bruises. Are you telling me that my Walmart incident makes me more of a woman beater than the guy in the basement? Cut the bullshit.

 

[smoothg103rd]

A sad lil guy who condemns anything he doesn't understand while justifying his own perversions and declaring himself King of Righteous Mountain.
You seem to be hung up lately on this bdsm thing, and it seems you want to define it in an unfair manner.
Hows come?

I just want people to be real with themselves. Either you are being abused, or you are abusing someone else. Ray Rice is a criminal, but that 50 shades of gray guy is a role model? Cut the bullshit.

 

[Recidiva]

Why do men beat on their women? For respect, power and control. Why do men beat on women during sex? For respect, power and control. Whats the difference?

Let me paint a picture for you. I'm at Walmart and I'm in a verbal altercation with a young woman. She start getting loud spitting and putting her hands on me. I have enough of her hitting me, so I slap her once, no blood, no bruise, nothing. But I'm at Walmart surrounded by 1000s of people, mainly women,so they took offense to me slapping the young woman. So when the cops show up the woman press charges and I go to jail " for beating a woman " so therefore I am label as I woman beater,right? Because I Ray Rice her. But I didn't leave a scar or bruise and no blood. But this guy have a young woman hanging up in his basement beating her with belts and paddles,smacking and choking her leaving all kind of scars and bruises. Are you telling me that my Walmart incident makes me more of a woman beater than the guy in the basement? Cut the bullshit.

No.

Someone beating someone else that does not want to be beaten is doing it to get some level of power.

But it's perceived power, not actual power. It's situational power that can be taken away by any group with a reasonable standard of social behavior. That's why those people end up in jail.

Someone beating someone else because they want to be beaten is sharing power.

That's the difference.

Pain and control mean different things to different people and to share power and create some sort of tableaux that means something to them is in fact about exploring what that power means to them.

So the first scenario is taking power, the second is giving or having it given, shared. Entirely different creatures.

As for the Walmart thing...what the fuck is wrong with you? You don't hit people because you don't like what they're saying. THIS...is what is wrong. If you can't deal with disrespect without dishing it out yourself...you are a disrespectful asshole with no actual control over yourself, so bruises or cuts or whatever the hell...hitting people is bad, m'kay?

This has everything to do with your standards of what respect is, and it has just about nothing to do with what respect actually is.

You want it to LOOK like you're in control without actually being in control. Control would be...not being in Walmart with a psycho in the first place because you know better than to hang out with someone who would do that, and not being one yourself because you know better than to hit someone to make any level of intellectual point.

 

[smoothg103rd]

No.

Someone beating someone else that does not want to be beaten is doing it to get some level of power.

But it's perceived power, not actual power. It's situational power that can be taken away by any group with a reasonable standard of social behavior. That's why those people end up in jail.

Someone beating someone else because they want to be beaten is sharing power.

That's the difference.

Pain and control mean different things to different people and to share power and create some sort of tableaux that means something to them is in fact about exploring what that power means to them.

So the first scenario is taking power, the second is giving or having it given, shared. Entirely different creatures.

As for the Walmart thing...what the fuck is wrong with you? You don't hit people because you don't like what they're saying. THIS...is what is wrong. If you can't deal with disrespect without dishing it out yourself...you are a disrespectful asshole with no actual control over yourself, so bruises or cuts or whatever the hell...hitting people is bad, m'kay?

This has everything to do with your standards of what respect is, and it has just about nothing to do with what respect actually is.

You want it to LOOK like you're in control without actually being in control. Control would be...not being in Walmart with a psycho in the first place because you know better than to hang out with someone who would do that, and not being one yourself because you know better than to hit someone to make any level of intellectual point.

So I see a woman walking down a dark alley and I decide to rape her. During my raping she realize that this is the best dick she ever had and that I no longer have to rape her because she will give it to me at will. So by your standards I didn't rape her because she doesn't see as rape because I didn't take her pussy because we shared it because she enjoyed the pain I put her through? Cmon ReciRu, kill that noise. You are just justifying one way against another.

 

[Recidiva]

So I see a woman walking down a dark alley and I decide to rape her. During my raping she realize that this is the best dick she ever had and that I no longer have to rape her because she will give it to me at will. So by your standards I didn't rape her because she doesn't see as rape because I didn't take her pussy because we shared it because she enjoyed the pain I put her through? Cmon ReciRu, kill that noise. You are just justifying one way against another.

Separate fantasy from reality, get back to me.

Consensual murder does not exist.

Consensual sex does.

Something that starts as rape is still rape. It is up to her if you have a magic dick, but it's still rape.

Consent matters.

Just not in murder.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Separate fantasy from reality, get back to me.

Consensual murder does not exist.

Consensual sex does.

Something that starts as rape is still rape. It is up to her if you have a magic dick, but it's still rape.

Consent matters.

Just not in murder.

This.

BDSM practitioners focus on SSC: safe, sane, and consensual.

The scenario you just presented, smooth, does not involve consent, therefore it is not BDSM. Discussion takes place before the sex.

 

[Recidiva]

This.

BDSM practitioners focus on SSC: safe, sane, and consensual.

The scenario you just presented, smooth, does not involve consent, therefore it is not BDSM. Discussion takes place before the sex.

There are people that can't separate fantasy from reality and unfortunately they're the ones that tend to fuck it up for those who can.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

There are people that can't separate fantasy from reality and unfortunately they're the ones that tend to fuck it up for those who can.

Absolutely. But, this applies to many things, not just kinky sex.

 

[Recidiva]

Absolutely. But, this applies to many things, not just kinky sex.

As a lifetime video gamer, theater goer, movie watcher, book reader and music lover...

None of these things have made me homicidal. I know, I know, it's not like people are just going to take my word on it...but it's true.

 

[Fata Morgana]

As a lifetime video gamer, theater goer, movie watcher, book reader and music lover...

None of these things have made me homicidal. I know, I know, it's not like people are just going to take my word on it...but it's true.

Not even flicking through 50 Shades?

 

[pensivepoet]

I knew a pro Domme in PA. 70% of her clientele were cops who paid her to beat the shit out of them. She loved it, so did they.
These same cops bust people all the time for assault and battery.
They understand the difference.
Actually, I've known a few pros, and they all had cops for clients.
For a lot of cops, it's a sort of therapy.
I don't know why you can't grasp that consent makes all the difference.
But to compare hit for hire murder to private bdsm is just silly.

 

[Recidiva]

Not even flicking through 50 Shades?

I actually read...every single one of those books just so I could be up on the literary critique.

I suffer for my craft.

And I have a huge aversion to the word 'hot' as a result. Which isn't really so bad, but you should see my thesaurus.com history. Incriminating...

 

[pensivepoet]

I actually read...every single one of those books just so I could be up on the literary critique.

I suffer for my craft.

And I have a huge aversion to the word 'hot' as a result. Which isn't really so bad, but you should see my thesaurus.com history. Incriminating...

I couldn't get through the first one.
"crap!" she replied.
She replied, "crap!"
She looked at him, and said, "crap!"
Spilling her purse, she cried, "oh crap!"
Holy fuck
My mind kept jumping to "run dick run, see dick run?"

 

[Minalick]

There are people that can't separate fantasy from reality and unfortunately they're the ones that tend to fuck it up for those who can.

Yep.
Also, mainstream literature, such as 50 Shades, is decidedly lacking when it comes to subtlety, artistry and vision.

 

[Recidiva]

I couldn't get through the first one.
"crap!" she replied.
She replied, "crap!"
She looked at him, and said, "crap!"
Spilling her purse, she cried, "oh crap!"
Holy fuck
My mind kept jumping to "run dick run, see dick run?"

Yeah, I was a volunteer masochist, but mostly because I wanted to have an educated opinion...

And I got one. *sigh*

 

[Recidiva]

Yep.
Also, mainstream literature, such as 50 Shades, is decidedly lacking when it comes to subtlety, artistry and vision.

Yes, that was my biggest problem with the book, otherwise not worthy of much commentary.

Lack of research and classification as mental illness.

*facepalm*

"Look, if you actually do that there's this thing called 'circulation' and zip ties are NOT a good idea..."

One of those artistic conflicts. I don't want to care enough about the book to care about the book...

 

[Jennifer]

oh, smoot. Your Alt is showing.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Separate fantasy from reality, get back to me.

Consensual murder does not exist.

Consensual sex does.

Something that starts as rape is still rape. It is up to her if you have a magic dick, but it's still rape.

Consent matters.

Just not in murder.

There is consensual murder, it's call war. Killing for a country that doesn't give a fuck about you. Killing for a war that you didn't even start for people that you don't even know without any consequences. You can kill thousands and get medals and don't be label as a murderer. If I kill someone to protect my family I'm a murderer. I do jail time and everything. Consensual murder does exist. Just not for me and you.

 

[smoothg103rd]

oh, smoot. Your Alt is showing.

Your red abused ass is showing.