I don't get it ~

[John Doe]

All reported posts are considered seriously, regardless of who is making the report.

With all due respect, that's pure, unalderated bullshit. With perhaps the lone exception of you, all the moderators are biased against certain members who are not part of the 'In crowd,' and cause much of the trouble themselves.

 

[Etoile]

With all due respect, that's pure, unalderated bullshit. With perhaps the lone exception of you, all the moderators are biased against certain members who are not part of the 'In crowd,' and cause much of the trouble themselves.

*blink* I was not aware of this. Hrm. I try to be pretty fair in my moderating.

 

[John Doe]

*blink* I was not aware of this. Hrm. I try to be pretty fair in my moderating.

LIke I said, you might be the only exception. And maybe Laurel, he/she hasn't been around since before I got here, so I have no idea if he/she is corrupt or not.

aledxandraaaah or whatever her name is, is an excellent example of what I'm talking about, though you only see her on the General Board.

 

[69forever]

With all due respect, that's pure, unalderated bullshit. With perhaps the lone exception of you, all the moderators are biased against certain members who are not part of the 'In crowd,' and cause much of the trouble themselves.

Awww, poor misunderstood, persecuted Stuponfucious/aka/Bitchslapper. I don't get to the GB so there is no opinion or comment I can make of your posts there. Here is another story entirely.

There are a good share of antagonistic asses who come and go here. Most get run off with their slinking tails between their legs. Not because of a Moderator intervening, but because their Bullshit cann't stand the light of reason and facts. With you, it is ALWAYS someone elses fault. Question your opinion and it is automatically a personal attack. It's like trying to reason with a child. When you grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around you, there may be room for some respect.

Until then, have a nice day.

 

[Queersetti]

With all due respect, that's pure, unalderated bullshit. With perhaps the lone exception of you, all the moderators are biased against certain members who are not part of the 'In crowd,' and cause much of the trouble themselves.

You're the one spouting bullshit. Give me one example of a complaint you have made to the moderators on this board that went unaddressed.

 

[John Doe]

Awww, poor misunderstood, persecuted Stuponfucious/aka/Bitchslapper. I don't get to the GB so there is no opinion or comment I can make of your posts there. Here is another story entirely.

There are a good share of antagonistic asses who come and go here. Most get run off with their slinking tails between their legs. Not because of a Moderator intervening, but because their Bullshit cann't stand the light of reason and facts. With you, it is ALWAYS someone elses fault. Question your opinion and it is automatically a personal attack. It's like trying to reason with a child. When you grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around you, there may be room for some respect.

Until then, have a nice day.

Oh, I'm sorry, have we met? No? Oh, then you must be psychic. No? Oh, then what makes you think you know shit about shit about me? Like you said, you haven't seen my posts on the GB, which is mainly where I post, so you don't even have that to go on. If you did, you wouldn't think such ridiculous things about me.

In any case, antagonistic posters is no excuse for the moderators to become tryannical and biased.

 

[John Doe]

You're the one spouting bullshit. Give me one example of a complaint you have made to the moderators on this board that went unaddressed.

My posts being censored based on the opinion of one and onyl one moderator, an opinion that anyone else who commented on the issue disagreed with. Shortly after that and based on the experiences of others I concluded that it is pointless to make any complaints.

 

[Mikijl Dragon]

Personally it looks like you are making a broad based opinion of all moderators due to your experience of just one. From my experience so far the moderators are doing a great job. Its a thankless job that when exercised always ticks someone off.

Just say what you got to say if it gets the edit pen deal and move on. Its as simple as that.

 

[69forever]

Oh, I'm sorry, have we met? No? Oh, then you must be psychic. No? Oh, then what makes you think you know shit about shit about me? Like you said, you haven't seen my posts on the GB, which is mainly where I post, so you don't even have that to go on. If you did, you wouldn't think such ridiculous things about me.

In any case, antagonistic posters is no excuse for the moderators to become tryannical and biased.

Ahhh, let's see whose memory is shorter here...from a post to answer you on 1/27/2004 in the Bush: We Must Defend the Sanctity of Marriage Thread.
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Originally posted by 69forever
Unfortunately Bitchslapper (the handle fits your attitude) doesn't see the need for the legal bond neccessary to have equal rights under the law. Property ownership, insurance, pensions, recognition of the comittment between two people in love.

It does come down to discrimination and my unwillingness to stand back and let it happen without speaking out! And it is scary because there are plenty on the religous right who would applaud gays being marched off to the gas chambers...all in the name of a all loving God!!!

We either fight for our rights or lose them...simple as that.

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Ring a bell? How about this...

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Originally posted by Bitchslapper
That was a joke. I thought that was obvious. Of course I don't expect people not to notice. IT'S A JOKE, of course I want people to notice. Do you honestly think I was trying to pull something or is this just more grist for your baseless accusation mill? There is no debate, because you are merely insulting me and no one supports you, so you lost when you started.

Are you ever going to let this drop?
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Originally posted by 69forever
Excuse me, but when you start out a discussion with statements that belittle our expectations of equality, people like me and Pookie are going to take offense and take you to task.

If it was a matter of semantics, as it was with Pookie and I on a few occassions...the issue can be resolved and respect given for differing opinions, or takes on issues, or misunderstandings. That is not the case with your argument. I fully support Pookies' unrelentless taking you to task for trying to say you didn't say what you did. I just don't have the time or inclination to deal with you as long as she is doing just fine with it....

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I could go on, but suffice it to say your post on the GB of "I'm Dying" was greatly applauded. You should have stayed that way. Like I said, it's like tring to reason with a child. You are an immature, pompous asshole and a liar. Now report ME to the Mods.

I don't know Etoile personally. I do know ~Q~. He is an intelligent and open-minded man, who has the civil liberties of others at heart in taking the Mod. job here. He also doesn't put up with any Bullshit. He is content to let people like Pookie and I deal with your wishy-washy politics and social views...until you question his integrity!!!

Like I said, have a nice day.

 

[John Doe]

Ahhh, let's see whose memory is shorter here...from a post to answer you on 1/27/2004 in the Bush: We Must Defend the Sanctity of Marriage Thread.
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Originally posted by Bitchslapper
That was a joke. I thought that was obvious. Of course I don't expect people not to notice. IT'S A JOKE, of course I want people to notice. Do you honestly think I was trying to pull something or is this just more grist for your baseless accusation mill? There is no debate, because you are merely insulting me and no one supports you, so you lost when you started.

Are you ever going to let this drop?
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I could go on, but suffice it to say your post on the GB of "I'm Dying" was greatly applauded. You should have stayed that way. Like I said, it's like tring to reason with a child. You are an immature, pompous asshole and a liar. Now report ME to the Mods.

I don't know Etoile personally. I do know ~Q~. He is an intelligent and open-minded man, who has the civil liberties of others at heart in taking the Mod. job here. He also doesn't put up with any Bullshit. He is content to let people like Pookie and I deal with your wishy-washy politics and social views...until you question his integrity!!!

Like I said, have a nice day.

Look, I don't know why you continue to post negatvely towards me, if you have a problem with gays or what, but I don't think you should be so quick to judge based on one or two posts, not to mention the fact that you completely misinterpreted them. I think it's quite clear to anyone who has read the majority of my posts that I support gay marriage (which is not even the issue here, but you brought it up anyway) and I am not a liar. You have yet to show where I have supposedly lied.

As far as my "I'm dying" thread, there were mixed responses and there are plenty of people who think differently of me than you do (just check out my "popularity" poll, if you don't believe me).

If I am an immature, pompous asshole, then why do most of the poeple I know IRL AND on Lit say things about me that are exactly the opposite of that?

If the fact that I expect people to be civil to each other, not to make bullshit accusations, and I also expect the moderators not to abuse thier power especially based on personal grudges makes me a "pompous, lying asshole" then so be it.

 

[John Doe]

Personally it looks like you are making a broad based opinion of all moderators due to your experience of just one...

That is an assumption and an incorrect one at that. It is actually based on my own expereinces with three of them, as well as the experiences of others.

 

[Queersetti]

My posts being censored based on the opinion of one and onyl one moderator, an opinion that anyone else who commented on the issue disagreed with. Shortly after that and based on the experiences of others I concluded that it is pointless to make any complaints.

You have not been censored on this board.You have, on the other hand, made unwarranted demands that other posters be censored. The fact that your complaints did not elicit the results you wanted does not mean they were not addressed. If you believe that you have legitimate complaints about the way the moderators perform their duties, you should address them to Laurel.

 

[Pookie]

You have not been censored on this board.You have, on the other hand, made unwarranted demands that other posters be censored. The fact that your complaints did not elicit the results you wanted does not mean they were not addressed. If you believe that you have legitimate complaints about the way the moderators perform their duties, you should address them to Laurel.

He threatened to report me to a moderator numerous times for "harrassing" him when I kept questioning a claim he made in a thread a while back. He hates having to defend something he knows he's put little or no thought into.

Really ... I think he's just pouting is all. It seems to fit with his personality well though.

 

[John Doe]

You have not been censored on this board.You have, on the other hand, made unwarranted demands that other posters be censored. The fact that your complaints did not elicit the results you wanted does not mean they were not addressed.

I have never demanded that anyone be consored in any manner, let alone beyond what the rules call for. That would run counter to my wholehearted belief in free speech.

If you believe that you have legitimate complaints about the way the moderators perform their duties, you should address them to Laurel.

Don't worry, I will.

 

[John Doe]

He threatened to report me to a moderator numerous times for "harrassing" him when I kept questioning a claim he made in a thread a while back. He hates having to defend something he knows he's put little or no thought into.

If you'll recall, I did apologize to you and you accepted it. I thought we had dropped it, but apparently you can't let it go.

Really ... I think he's just pouting is all. It seems to fit with his personality well though. [/B]

Firstly, you know nothing of my personality. You have never bothered to talk to me and find out anything about it.

Secondly, if my complaints are "pouting," then why isn't your complaint considered the same thing?

 

[Pookie]

If you'll recall, I did apologize to you and you accepted it. I thought we had dropped it, but apparently you can't let it go.

I had dropped it, but it was very relevant to your complaint here. Just because apologies were made and accepted doesn't mean it didn't occur any longer.

Firstly, you know nothing of my personality. You have never bothered to talk to me and find out anything about it.

I know more than nothing about your personality. The immature asshole part of it shines through quite clearly in the biggest majority of your posts.

Secondly, if my complaints are "pouting," then why isn't your complaint considered the same thing?

Because I wasn't complaining. I was stating what occurred in another thread a while back. I've never asked, or threatened to ask, Q or Etoile to censor what anyone has said to me because I thought they were harrassing me ... or anything else. I've reported a few that were outright gay bashing by idiots like d8rape though, and I thought they both responded appropriately.

 

[John Doe]

Originally posted by Pookie
I know more than nothing about your personality. The immature asshole part of it shines through quite clearly in the biggest majority of your posts.

The "biggest majority" of those whho have read my posts would seem to disagree with you.

I was stating what occurred in another thread a while back. I've never asked, or threatened to ask, Q or Etoile to censor what anyone has said to me because I thought they were harrassing me ... or anything else...

Neither have I, so I don't see why you still have a problem with me, apart from the fact that you feel the need to attack and put down others to improve your own self-esteem.

 

[Pookie]

Neither have I, so I don't see why you still have a problem with me, apart from the fact that you feel the need to attack and put down others to improve your own self-esteem.

Nope. It's your inevitable whining whenever someone even dares to question something you say ... along with your sometimes inane and antagonistic posts.

 

[John Doe]

Nope. It's your inevitable whining whenever someone even dares to question something you say ... along with your sometimes inane and antagonistic posts.

Have you ever even been to the GB? That's where most of my posts are.

I think you're still pissed because I dared to disagree with you when I started posting on Lit.

 

[Pookie]

Have you ever even been to the GB? That's where most of my posts are.

I think you're still pissed because I dared to disagree with you when I started posting on Lit.

I've seen numerous posts by you on the GB. I think my assessment of you is spot on.

Pissed at you for disagreeing with me? Pffft. Much brighter and more intelligent people than you have disagreed with me in the past without my getting pissed at them. No ... it's your whining, inane and antagonistic posts. *nods*

 

[69forever]

Look, I don't know why you continue to post negatvely towards me, if you have a problem with gays or what, but I don't think you should be so quick to judge based on one or two posts, not to mention the fact that you completely misinterpreted them.

~snip~

If the fact that I expect people to be civil to each other, not to make bullshit accusations, and I also expect the moderators not to abuse thier power especially based on personal grudges makes me a "pompous, lying asshole" then so be it.

Me anti-gay? Now who don't know squat??? You do shoot from the hip Stupid, and your aim is WAY off. It is not one or two posts...YOUR attitude and snide comments sinse coming to this Board, overall have led me to believe what I say about you.

My test scores show a reading and comprehension level of post-doctorate. Don't you dare tell me I misinterpretted what you have said!

Being civil is given until it is apparent that it is a one way street. Then I take exception. As I do when friends and family are unwarrantedly attacked because they dare to take someone like you to task for their bullshit. Grow up, get a life.

 

[69forever]

RE: Moderators at GLBT....

I'm going to not qoute anyone here. Just a general and personal observation. In other words IMO, for what it's worth.

Again, I do not know Etoile personally. The job as Moderator she has done here has tended to give free reign to free speech, except for out and out gay bashing. That includes some assholes trolling others. No offense Etoile. Not a critisism. I understand coming down on the side of free speech.

~Q~ was added, at the request of others, as a Moderator. To balance the scales so to speak. I believe it was a good choice.
We had a discussion about a thread, early on in his role as Mod.
"First Experiences". A lot of thought and soul searching went on, before deciding to censor posts of pre-adult first experiences.

You see, those experiences helped or hindered a lot of our development as human beings. That is the kind of Mod. that ~Q~ is. Not some tyrant like Stupon accuses him of being.

Anyone who knows me, knows I tell it like it is. Friend or not.

 

[Etoile]

Re: RE: Moderators at GLBT....

I don't know Etoile personally. I do know ~Q~. He is an intelligent and open-minded man, who has the civil liberties of others at heart in taking the Mod. job here. He also doesn't put up with any Bullshit. He is content to let people like Pookie and I deal with your wishy-washy politics and social views...until you question his integrity!!!
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Again, I do not know Etoile personally. The job as Moderator she has done here has tended to give free reign to free speech, except for out and out gay bashing. That includes some assholes trolling others. No offense Etoile. Not a critisism. I understand coming down on the side of free speech.

~Q~ was added, at the request of others, as a Moderator. To balance the scales so to speak. I believe it was a good choice.
We had a discussion about a thread, early on in his role as Mod.
"First Experiences". A lot of thought and soul searching went on, before deciding to censor posts of pre-adult first experiences.

Indeed, you do not know me personally. Few people here do. So let me tell you a little bit of history, and a little about myself.

The entire reason I am a moderator here is because after some discussion with other Lit members, I was the one who had the balls to PM Laurel and ask her for this GLBT Chatter section. Her response was basically "sure, but it'll need a mod - will you do it?" And I said yes. That's why I'm a moderator here. That has been public knowledge since the beginning. Queersetti was added as a moderator because some participants believed a balance (male to my female) was warranted, and they suggested him. Laurel discussed it with me first and I agreed he would make a good moderator, even though when GLBT Chatter was first created he wasn't too keen on having a separate forum for queer issues.

Now, about myself. As many will acknowledge, I have tried to moderate this forum justly. Early on my rules were seen as too strict, and I adjusted them. I have been flexible and fair, and have not imposed my personal opinions when speaking from a moderator role. Queersetti and I have discussed whether or not certain threads should be let stand - keep in mind that when a thread is reported, we both get the report. We do a lot of behind-the-scenes discussion about threads - whether or not they should be left alone or removed. I am not the only one giving "free reign to free speech" - we are co-moderators. Together. I assure you we have both done thought and soul searching about threads. I was part of the pre-adult first experiences discussion as well.

I choose to stay out of the one-on-one (or many-on-one) mudslinging because I do not feel I need to take part in it. The rest of you can argue amongst yourselves whether or not individual posters are right or wrong. Except for this post and any questions that come up in response to it, I will be staying out of this discussion.

 

[John Doe]

Me anti-gay? Now who don't know squat??? You do shoot from the hip Stupid, and your aim is WAY off. It is not one or two posts...YOUR attitude and snide comments sinse coming to this Board, overall have led me to believe what I say about you.

My test scores show a reading and comprehension level of post-doctorate. Don't you dare tell me I misinterpretted what you have said!

Being civil is given until it is apparent that it is a one way street. Then I take exception. As I do when friends and family are unwarrantedly attacked because they dare to take someone like you to task for their bullshit. Grow up, get a life.

I commented that you might be homophobic to make a point, to show how frustrating it is to have accusations leveled at you that are nowhere near accurate. Not so pleasant, is it?

That being said I am sick and tired of arguing with you and I won't discuss any of this any further.

 

[John Doe]

I've seen numerous posts by you on the GB. I think my assessment of you is spot on.

Pissed at you for disagreeing with me? Pffft. Much brighter and more intelligent people than you have disagreed with me in the past without my getting pissed at them. No ... it's your whining, inane and antagonistic posts. *nods*

So it's true what they say: First impressions rarely fade. *nods*