I hate lawyers

[Siren]

oh Freescorfr one word about French Law

 

[Rubyfruit]

I am so fucking sick of people jumping on whatever media bandwagon is appealing at the moment. Can anybody stop and actually think for themselves for a fucking minute?

Do you know what our world would be like without lawyers? Do you have any idea what lawyers have done to make our lives as consumers safer? How about on the job? Would you rather be working 15 hours a day in a sweatshop for pennies? That's what happens in a non-litigious society.

Do you know why we have the safety features we do in cars today? Seatbelts, airbags, reinforced side steel beams. That's right, lawyers.

Do you know why we have safety seals on medicines and foods today? Lawyers.

Do you know why doctors are held accountable for their actions? You guessed it. Lawyers.

Ok, let's bring up the biggie - the one everybody likes to hold forth as *the* example of the American civil legal system gone astray. McDonald's coffee.

Did you know that McDonald's served their coffee at far above the normal temperature for coffee solely to hide the taste? The corporate suits discovered that if it was extremely hot, you couldn't tell that it was extremely bad.

The woman who injured herself with it was an old woman who needed skin graphs to cover the wounds. Fucking skin graphs. Do you think you'd need that if you spilled your homemade coffee on yourself? Of course not. Was she reasonable to assume that the coffee from McDonald's was similar? Sure. I would have put it between my legs too, if I didn't know that they brewed it so fucking hot that it could melt my skin off.

Law and lawyers make our society better. They keep us safer and keep manufacturers accountable. I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[JennyOmanHill]

Re: Jenny, yours is a different problem altogether

corporate law
verus
solo practice or public law

two different animals

corporate law firms are all about the money for the most part.
solo practioners and public lawyers are all about the protection of rights for all, and money is not as lucdritive as in corporate law. but then the rewards of righting a wrong done to someone in either criminal or civil arena dont always pay the bills.........or the student loans....lol
Best to work for a small law office or solo pracitioner.
that way you are treated with more respect.
it isnt that you worked for asshole-lawyers
it is that you worked for a money machine.

I agree wholeheartedly, Siren. (I made sure to include the word "corporate" for that reason.) Thanks for clarifying the distinction.

Out of the many I have known there, one attorney did manage to discover that he could use his skills for a better purpose. He managed to leave the firm, get a grant and create a group who worked exclusively with the homeless of NYC.

I guess, also, in all honesty, even in that big FAT corporate firm I worked for, the younger attorneys take part in pro bono assignments which directly provide support for aids victims and civil rights issues throughout the country.

Personal Note: any solo practitioner need an administrative assistant?

 

[Siren]

KM, again you humble me with your articulate ways

 

[Mischka]

Re: Brava Mischka!!!

When I read freescorfr's post earlier, I started to jump in and admonish him for his shallow view, but then I realized that there are several "legal types" here who could do that quite well without my help...

Between Siren's justified indignation, sexygirl's emotional appeal, and your drippingly sarcastic response, as suspected, I'm completely unneeded here...

Thanks, Texan. I specialize in drippingly sarcastic, and it just seemed to fit the situation so well. Though I wholeheartedly disagree that we can do without your help - your posts brim with interesting bits.

And thanks to everyone else for your reasoned responses. I'm glad that the few bad apples haven't tainted everyone's view of the legal profession.

 

[Fly_On_Wall]

FOW, the reason you hate those people is because you resent anyone that might have authority over you, yes? For your peace of mind, I'm ex-military, but I still adore you anyway. Even if I do give you the creeping heebie-jeebies.

Nah you dont' creap me out. (usualy ) and I don't mind you being ex-military.

I act this way, and am aware of it just not at the point when I go nuts though. cause of somthing Called O.D.D.
Oppisitional Defient Disorder. It's usualy only found in kids or teens but aparently I still have it.

A.) A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present:
often loses temper (have that)
often argues with adults/ authority figures (no)
often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults/authority figures' requests or rules (yes I have that, that's the important one here.)
often deliberately annoys people (yes)
often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior (yes)
is often touchy or easily annoyed by others (hell yes)
is often angry and resentful (yep)
is often spiteful or vindictive (yes)

B.) The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.

C.) The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a Psychotic or Mood Disorder.

Associated Features:
*Learning Problem
*Depressed Mood
*Hyperactivity
*Addiction
*Dramatic/Erratic/Antisocial Personality

Differential Diagnosis:
Conduct Disorder; Mood Disorders; Psychotic Disorders; Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder; Mental Retardation; impaired language comprehension; typical feature of certain developmental stages.
(I have been diagnosed wiht everyone of those except mental Retardation)

I know that's not an excuse for what i've said, but it is part of the reason...... Oh the wonders of my fucked up head (this is also the reason I tryed to bite a walmart employee at Christmas,)

 

[Thomas Paine]

That's OK, freescorfr. We don't like you much, either.

 

[Weevil]

OK I've not had too much experience and I do like John Grisham's earlier books.

However, they create a world unrelated to the real world of human relationships in which disputes occur. Fine and we go along with this convention to avoid making our relationships ( and I'm not just talking about divorce law) better - to objectify them. That's what lawyers do - that's why they keep their wigs and their language and their protectionism.

Moreover, many, if not most and all whom I have met, really believe in what they are doing and think it is for the overall benefit of humanity. Misplaced arrogance, really.

And hell do they take their time.

Worst of all they make out that the ordinary layman doesn't really understand the law. Yes, that's what pisses me off most. They all presume the man in the street, ie me, is handicapped, legally disabled, dependent on them. I'm sure there's some specialist work around that's necessary but in an educated society I imagine that many layfolk could do 80% of the lawyers work.

I love lavendar's posts, however. Change they system, dearest,when you qualify.

Sounds like your real problem is with Grisham.

 

[riff]

That's OK, freescorfr. We don't like you much, either.

Careful who you speak for. I like freescofr. He's interesting, I think.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I was speaking for lawyers. If you're one, your exception is duly noted. *g*

 

[freescorfr]

Re: oh Freescorfr one word about French Law

Your system is fucked up.

I know, I lived in Paris and went to the Palais de Justice many times to watch proceedings. (Courthouse for the rest on lit).

I also taught at a private university in paris a seminar called
Napoleonic Law
vs.
American Jurisprudence.
So I know of which I speak here.

So to compare French Attorneys and all the hand tying they suffer under your archaic laws.....to American Lawyers and all the protections afforded to our citizens,,,,,,,,,,

is both disingenious and
unfair.

neither the lawyers nor the law are the same.

I am not French, I jsut hate lawyers.

 

[freescorfr]

I am not French.

I come to Lit looking for solace, comfort understanding and sex. So thanks for the solace, comfort and understanding.

Esp. Riff

 

[freescorfr]

I hate Frenchmen.

OK I've not had too much experience and I do like Voltaire's earlier books.

However, they create a world unrelated to the real world of human relationships in which normal interactions occur. Fine and we go along with this convention to avoid making our relationships (and I'm not just talking about menage a tois) better - to objectify them. That's what Frenchmen do - that's why they keep their fashions and their language and their socialism.

Moreover, many, if not most and all whom I have met, really believe they are better than the rest of us and think the world is for the overall benefit of themselves. Misplaced arrogance, really.

And hell do they smell.

Worst of all they make out that the ordinary layman doesn't really understand epicurean delights. Yes, that's what pisses me off most. They all presume the man in the street, ie me, is uncouth, artistically disabled, dependent on them for fashion and culinary sense. I'm sure there's some specialist work around that's necessary but in an educated society I imagine that 80% of the world could do without Frenchmen.

I love freescorfr's posts, however. Change the country, dearest, when you qualify.

Mischka, darling
Satire worthy of Swift.


I am not French, I’m as Scots as the whisky that once flowed in my veins, as the Heather whose breasts I once fondled in my youth and Billy Connolly – which is to say I’ve got a bit of working-class Irish in me.

So if you ever want a bed in Europe, it won't smell and we'll just get fish and chips from the chippie.

 

[april-wine]

I hate Frenchmen.

But do you hate frenchwomen????????

 

[freescorfr]

But do you hate frenchwomen????????

I can't, of course, speak for Mischka, April, but I find they tend to smell of perfume and think they cook rather well. Tha's in the cities. Here in the country they tend to smell of cowshit like evryone else and think they cook rather well. They do cook rather well.
Those who are lawyers, whom I have met, look really sexy and good, but are crap lawyers. I don't know how they cook.

Do you think you would like them?