I know I will regret this..................

[alice_underneath]

Oh dear.

Alice? They're tattoos, hun. I thought you knew that!

Nope.

Clueless again, I suppose.

What are the obvious clues that I missed?

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Nope.

Clueless again, I suppose.

What are the obvious clues that I missed?

Oh my. Alice I can just 'see' that they are. I am not fully awake so I went to google to see if there was characteristics noted I thought matched my own perception that I could cut and paste here .

WARNING
I typed the words 'genital tattoo' into the search and clicked on the first site listed. I am now sitting here feeling violently ill after viewing some pictures that would make in my experience even the most hardcore Sadist look like Mother Teresa. To be more specific they were pictures of extreme body modification via surgery and nullification (for example amputation).They might have been safe , they were most likely consensual but the sanity part is realllllllllllllllllly questionable . Needle play guy just became a care bear.​

I have three plans left it my currently challenged state ~ie still trying not to be sick.

1. Throw ourselves on the mercy of BB patrons to post here their views appraisals on the topic.
2. Post a fun picture that shows what is not a tattoo.
3. PM Evil_Geoff Sir and request he consider answering this question.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/fullbody_tiger_nude.jpg
This is a commercially available body shirt not a tattoo.
Evil_Geoff Sir we need you please !!!!!!!
​

 

[Purple Sage]

awww Purple Sage how wonderful of you to volunteer with the next Mini Topic....oh and it seems you have acquired much BDSM related 'artwork' *coughsporn/research as well can't wait to see them all .

kind regards

@}-}rebecca----

No, 'acquired' is not the right term. 'Viewed' is more like it. But I can recommend the works of John 'John Willie' Coutts (Bizzarre magazine, Sweet Gwendoline) as exemplars- and of course, the always popular Betty Page and her fellow bondagettes who worked for Irving Klaw- the big noise in fetish publications in those days. Klaw also published work by illustrators with such fetching names as "Jim" and "Eneg" (Gene spelled backwards... how clever!) and, if I remember right, the early work of Eric Stanton, who was fairly well known in the 60's and 70's. A really large fraction of the basic imagery of BDSM as-we-know-it comes from these sources, though the details have been refined considerably.

 

[Purple Sage]

Nope.

Clueless again, I suppose.

What are the obvious clues that I missed?

Well, aside from the pain involved, it's easier to make a tattoo look like a tattoo than it is to make a body painting look like a tattoo, though it can be done. The problems in producing a good 'forgery' are:

1) Surface texture- the colorant must have the same qualities of both intensity and transparency as ink-under-the-skin. This means most easy-to-handle paints are out. The painting must not have any solid-above-the-surface characteristics.

2) Inks that fit the above criteria tend to be difficult to control on skin- they run or blur, or mix with each other. The color blending characteristic of tattoos can only then be done with an airbrush, which involves masking (almost impossible) or rather fuzzy lines and edges.

Over all, I'd say that it would be so much work and so expensive that only a hollywood movie producer would consider it. Although, even there I think a prosthetic cock would simplify the whole operation.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

No, 'acquired' is not the right term. 'Viewed' is more like it. But I can recommend the works of John 'John Willie' Coutts (Bizzarre magazine, Sweet Gwendoline) as exemplars- and of course, the always popular Betty Page and her fellow bondagettes who worked for Irving Klaw- the big noise in fetish publications in those days. Klaw also published work by illustrators with such fetching names as "Jim" and "Eneg" (Gene spelled backwards... how clever!) and, if I remember right, the early work of Eric Stanton, who was fairly well known in the 60's and 70's. A really large fraction of the basic imagery of BDSM as-we-know-it comes from these sources, though the details have been refined considerably.

Stuff like this ?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/retrosample-misc05.jpg
Note the 'freelance' pits on the bathing beauty ......shudders...lol​

Apologies Purple Sage for the use of 'acquired' I am an avid collector of imagery and made an assumption perhaps less appropriate for you.Unless You count cognitively acquired in which case in the above post quoted you have already seen fit to share with us to some degree.....smiles

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Actually, no. I did not know that they are tattoos.

Please explain how one can tell the difference.

From a photograph you probably can't tell the difference between a tattoo and body paint. At least I can't. Maybe if it's in extreme close up where you can actually see the pores and hair follicles of the skin I could.

*ponders some more*

Hmmmmm...... You might possibly be able to tell on a very low angle shot where you can see the raised texture of the skin that's been tattooed. Body paint won't raise the skin, it would lay on top of the skin. If you see an edge it's probably paint. If the skin is raised and bumpy.. it's a tat. Not all tat's (or all parts of a tat) will raise the skin up. My own ink only has a couple of raised ridges, the rest of it is pretty well flush.

Oh, and Alice, people who are into extreme tattooing and other body modification often achieve a state of euphoria while the inking/piercing or other body mod is being done. Some describe it as a "spiritual" experience, others describe it as being "transcendent". Puff the Magic Dragon back there in the thread is ink. Do you remember the X-Files episode with the "circus freaks" and the character The Conundrum? He really is inked that way all over his body. I've seen elephant head tattoo's with "Mr Happy" playing the part of the trunk, too.

While they are fairly rare, genital tattoos are done, and the ones getting them done are usually quite happy about it. Not MY cuppa joe, but as you can see from my av I am not exactly a tattoo virgin... *grin* But on the flip side I'm no expert either.

Hope that helps!

Yours in kINK!

 

[Evil_Geoff]

*points to Purple Sage's post about inks and transparency on the skin*

What he said!

*lol*

 

[alice_underneath]

Well, aside from the pain involved, it's easier to make a tattoo look like a tattoo than it is to make a body painting look like a tattoo, though it can be done. The problems in producing a good 'forgery' are:

1) Surface texture- the colorant must have the same qualities of both intensity and transparency as ink-under-the-skin. This means most easy-to-handle paints are out. The painting must not have any solid-above-the-surface characteristics.

2) Inks that fit the above criteria tend to be difficult to control on skin- they run or blur, or mix with each other. The color blending characteristic of tattoos can only then be done with an airbrush, which involves masking (almost impossible) or rather fuzzy lines and edges.

Over all, I'd say that it would be so much work and so expensive that only a hollywood movie producer would consider it. Although, even there I think a prosthetic cock would simplify the whole operation.

Hi, Mr. Sage.

Thank you for this explanation, which helps me quite a bit.

I put the first portion of your post in bold for a reason. It explains the fundamental problem here, which is: I have never really seen a tattoo before.

As far as I know, the only person I've ever met who has one is Mr. Geoff. And since I have never seen him in person, it is hard for me to tell what his tattoo really looks like.

Of course, I have seen people in public with tattoos, but only in an across-the-street or down-the-hall kind of a way.

This is the first photograph of a tattoo that I have really focused on, and your description helps me understand what I am looking at.

Thanks again.

Alice

 

[Purple Sage]

Stuff like this ?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/retrosample-misc05.jpg
Note the 'freelance' pits on the bathing beauty ......shudders...lol​

Apologies Purple Sage for the use of 'acquired' I am an avid collector of imagery and made an assumption perhaps less appropriate for you.Unless You count cognitively acquired in which case in the above post quoted you have already seen fit to share with us to some degree.....smiles

No, not like this... this is 'Tiajauna Bible' material- using mainstream cartoon characters in (usually vanilla) smut. Most of this material was in newspaper-comic form- either four panel strips or eight or twelve panel strips. I've never been a big fan of it- it tends to be pretty lame storywise, and the art is usually crude in most senses of the word. I'll see, when I have some leisure, if I can find some of what I'm talking about.

No apologies necessary, my lack of acquisition has been more a matter of finance than some sense of propriety. I would avidly collect quite a few things, if I could. I do have a couple of examples somewhere, but I'm in transition at the moment and things are in boxes. I imagine that some of this stuff can be found on the net, however, especially as I doubt much of it still has any copyright protection, if it ever did.

 

[alice_underneath]

From a photograph you probably can't tell the difference between a tattoo and body paint. At least I can't. Maybe if it's in extreme close up where you can actually see the pores and hair follicles of the skin I could.

*ponders some more*

Hmmmmm...... You might possibly be able to tell on a very low angle shot where you can see the raised texture of the skin that's been tattooed. Body paint won't raise the skin, it would lay on top of the skin. If you see an edge it's probably paint. If the skin is raised and bumpy.. it's a tat. Not all tat's (or all parts of a tat) will raise the skin up. My own ink only has a couple of raised ridges, the rest of it is pretty well flush.

Oh, and Alice, people who are into extreme tattooing and other body modification often achieve a state of euphoria while the inking/piercing or other body mod is being done. Some describe it as a "spiritual" experience, others describe it as being "transcendent". Puff the Magic Dragon back there in the thread is ink. Do you remember the X-Files episode with the "circus freaks" and the character The Conundrum? He really is inked that way all over his body. I've seen elephant head tattoo's with "Mr Happy" playing the part of the trunk, too.

While they are fairly rare, genital tattoos are done, and the ones getting them done are usually quite happy about it. Not MY cuppa joe, but as you can see from my av I am not exactly a tattoo virgin... *grin* But on the flip side I'm no expert either.

Hope that helps!

Yours in kINK!

Mr. Geoff, you are such a nice person. Have I told you that lately?

The answer to your question is, sadly, no. I hardly ever watch TV and though I've heard of the X-files, I have never seen an episode of that show.

I appreciate your comments about the euphoria here. It makes me feel better about that poor dragon guy!

To be honest, it never even occurred to me that someone would actually tattoo their genitals. It just never even crossed my mind as a possibility that the dragon art would be anything but paint.

Yes, I know, it seems a bit ridiculous to be so oblivious. But (as a very kind person said to me today), everyone starts out knowing nothing. I'm just learning this stuff a bit later, that's all.

Alice

 

[MadamaMiniTopic]

Yours in kINK!

Madama go very busy today , wax on....... wax off....... Dojo floor, leave little 'Nekosan' very good kitten for honorable friends.....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/Nekosan.jpg
" Arigatou-gozaimasu honorable Evil Geoff Sir and Purple Sage for explain tattoo
Nekosan have full body tattoo, very hard to see under fur, wonders if honorable Gentleman also have hidden tattoo "
​

 

[Purple Sage]

Madama go very busy today , wax on....... wax off....... Dojo floor, leave little 'Nekosan' very good kitten for honorable friends.....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/Nekosan.jpg
" Arigatou-gozaimasu honorable Evil Geoff Sir and Purple Sage for explain tattoo
Nekosan have full body tattoo, very hard to see under fur, wonders if honorable Gentleman also have hidden tattoo "
​

Don't spend too much time waxing off... it can become addictive.

Oh, and I don't have tattoos. My father impressed on me at an early age that his was the stupidest thing he'd ever done, and having seen him do quite a few really stupid things, I've always tended to give tattoos a miss.

 

[MadamaMiniTopic]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/Nekosan.jpg Ohhh almost left side, Fetish Boys play what you think name please ?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/BeautyFetishNo4.jpg​

 

[Shankara20]

Score : 6......smiles

Obviously I have seen this before there is no shock factor involved . I must say I love it. This really rocks !!!! The colors are superb, the design whimsical and the subject matter .......ooohh.....lol......well lets just say adequate. Ohh for Heavens sake don't let my friend Shankara see this !!!

Did I miss something?? I've been away taking care of a broken 'puter, so I've got some catching up to do.

This is me getting part of my large tat - she got only as far on to my peepee as I could deal with. When she started down my butt crack - WOW (pics of that tat on request)

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f367/Shankara20/me/Pb030076.jpg

 

[jadefirefly]

Alice,

I'm sorry, sweetie, I didn't mean to make you feel clueless. I admit to writing that reply last-minute before bed, at about 2am last night.

I think it's much easier for folks who are in-to, or have, tattoos to recognise one on sight, naturally. I didn't really think about any of the details that the above posters mentioned, about paint laying -on- the skin, or possibly running. I just kind of... know.

When I have gotten more of it completed, I will post a picture for you of my tattoo. I've had two small ones before, but I am getting them linked together in a full-length back piece that is going to be very, very pretty.

Ironically enough, given what sparked this discussion: it's a dragon.

 

[RJMasters]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/Nekosan.jpg Ohhh almost left side, Fetish Boys play what you think name please ?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/BeautyFetishNo4.jpg​

Names = Sarsaparilla Man and his faithful sidekick Napper!

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Names = Sarsaparilla Man and his faithful sidekick Napper!

Ohh thanks Mr Masters I thought it said S & M .........silly me

 

[alice_underneath]

Alice,

I'm sorry, sweetie, I didn't mean to make you feel clueless. I admit to writing that reply last-minute before bed, at about 2am last night.

I think it's much easier for folks who are in-to, or have, tattoos to recognise one on sight, naturally. I didn't really think about any of the details that the above posters mentioned, about paint laying -on- the skin, or possibly running. I just kind of... know.

When I have gotten more of it completed, I will post a picture for you of my tattoo. I've had two small ones before, but I am getting them linked together in a full-length back piece that is going to be very, very pretty.

Ironically enough, given what sparked this discussion: it's a dragon.

No need to apologize, Miss Firefly .

* hugs *

Yes, please post a picture of your beautiful dragon when it is done! I would very much like to see it.

As for me feeling 'clueless'..... hmmm. It comes with the territory when you have led a sheltered life. No, I have not had a sheltered life in the sense of bliss, the absence of traumatic experiences, and charmed existence. Far from it.

But I have been sheltered from exposure to many different types of people and experiences. And this makes me feel like a complete idiot at times, through no fault of others - especially not someone as sweet & fantastic as you.

Just how clueless are we talking about here? Well...... if you have to google "dildo" to figure out what people are talking about, that's pretty bad indeed!

[No, that was not an exaggeration. Yes, I have actually had to google "dildo". And "strap-on". And many, many other things.]

As for tattoos.....

From an appreciation of art perspective, I am now very curious to examine one up close, and am therefore in great danger of giving a perfect stranger the wrong impression if he happens to catch me staring intently at his decorated, muscular arm! Think about it.... .... lol, I'll try to be subtle.

I live in an extremely conservative suburban community where the veneer of a certain type of 'respectability' is very important. Note: a veneer of respectability is not the same thing as genuine respectability, as I would define it.

Having a visible tattoo would definitely be considered subversive behavior in my neighborhood.... yes, it really is that bad. Mr. Rathbone recognized the name of the county in which I live, so he might know what I am talking about here. (He grew up across the river from me.) It is at times suffocating and occasionally nauseating but in a way that is sort of hard to describe.

Of course, I do actually leave my neighborhood on occasion.... lol..... ...... and next time I see someone with a tattoo, I will definitely pay close attention. Subtly, of course.

Alice

 

[alice_underneath]

ohiyo
Opportunity to explore Beauty & Fetish Several Numbered pictures will be posted over the next week. Please feel free to enjoy,detest, critique, avoid ,ignore,love, comment or otherwise.........

From a more serious perspective its going to be interesting where we feel its 'too much' that a line may have been crossed.......

Could even consider rating the photo's with say modified 'Limit' descriptives

1. No HATE it
2. No real interest in this
3. Interesting to look at
4. Oh thats really okay
5. Really like this
6. Yes LOVE it

​

I hope you don't mind, Madama, but I am bumping this post from farther back on the thread for the benefit of those (like me) who forgot the rating choices, and for the benefit of anyone new to the thread who might wonder why we are looking at photo #4 (the two nearly naked guys) - my response to which will appear in a moment.

 

[alice_underneath]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/BeautyFetishNo4.jpg​

This photo makes me smile, though not for the reason one might expect.

I, personally, do not see this as a "fetish" photo. The image reminds me of the type of thing that appears regularly on mainstream Japanese TV.

Many Japanese TV programs seem to celebrate a penchant for silly exaggeration and frenzied antics that appear quite unusual from an American perspective. It's sorta the type of thing that you have to see to believe.

However, Japanese TV presents a fascinating contrast to the way that the Japanese people generally interact in public. My experience was that in general, the people in Japan are gracious, soft-spoken, dignified, and extraordinarily polite & respectful when addressing others - particularly visitors from overseas.

Of course, underneath the respectful bow and the gentle smile and the kind offer of assistance, they might be thinking: My god, this woman is acting like an idiot! But you would never know it. Most people seem to maintain a mask of polite deference, and it very rarely slips.

I rated this photo a 6. It delights me, solely because it reminds me of the wonderful two weeks that I spent in Japan last year.

Alice

 

[catalina_francisco]

No need to apologize, Miss Firefly .

* hugs *

Yes, please post a picture of your beautiful dragon when it is done! I would very much like to see it.

As for me feeling 'clueless'..... hmmm. It comes with the territory when you have led a sheltered life. No, I have not had a sheltered life in the sense of bliss, the absence of traumatic experiences, and charmed existence. Far from it.

But I have been sheltered from exposure to many different types of people and experiences. And this makes me feel like a complete idiot at times, through no fault of others - especially not someone as sweet & fantastic as you.

Just how clueless are we talking about here? Well...... if you have to google "dildo" to figure out what people are talking about, that's pretty bad indeed!

[No, that was not an exaggeration. Yes, I have actually had to google "dildo". And "strap-on". And many, many other things.]

As for tattoos.....

From an appreciation of art perspective, I am now very curious to examine one up close, and am therefore in great danger of giving a perfect stranger the wrong impression if he happens to catch me staring intently at his decorated, muscular arm! Think about it.... .... lol, I'll try to be subtle.

I live in an extremely conservative suburban community where the veneer of a certain type of 'respectability' is very important. Note: a veneer of respectability is not the same thing as genuine respectability, as I would define it.

Having a visible tattoo would definitely be considered subversive behavior in my neighborhood.... yes, it really is that bad. Mr. Rathbone recognized the name of the county in which I live, so he might know what I am talking about here. (He grew up across the river from me.) It is at times suffocating and occasionally nauseating but in a way that is sort of hard to describe.

Of course, I do actually leave my neighborhood on occasion.... lol..... ...... and next time I see someone with a tattoo, I will definitely pay close attention. Subtly, of course.

Alice

serijules has an incredible tattoo which you can see here . If you are really into skin art, you might also like some of the pics in tattoo groups on flickr.com...they have some serious devotees there.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

This rates a 3 for me.

I'd love to fuck, well every "type" of man, shall we say? (Well not just men.) These look a little immature for my interests but I bet I'd be laughing. Laughing is good. *shrugs*

It sort of reminds me of the time I was on a plane with a Japanese gymnastics team. They were HOT. I so wanted to do them. I just couldn't figure out how to get them all in the little bathroom. *c* I think I was married then too. *grr* Different marriage though, oh the visions I had of flying dismounts, vaults and other hot stuff!

Fury

 

[Purple Sage]

From an appreciation of art perspective, I am now very curious to examine one up close, and am therefore in great danger of giving a perfect stranger the wrong impression if he happens to catch me staring intently at his decorated, muscular arm! Think about it.... .... lol, I'll try to be subtle.



Alice

No need to be subtle- go to a tattoo parlour and ask to take a look. Generally the proprietors have a lot of art on them, and most customers are more than happy to show off their tats.

 

[Shankara20]

No need to be subtle- go to a tattoo parlour and ask to take a look. Generally the proprietors have a lot of art on them, and most customers are more than happy to show off their tats.

I love to show off my tats - and it feels great to see someone looking at the ones they can see. Many people I know would welcome the question "mind if I look at your artwork?"

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

This photo makes me smile, though not for the reason one might expect.

I, personally, do not see this as a "fetish" photo. The image reminds me of the type of thing that appears regularly on mainstream Japanese TV.

Hmmn and you refer to yourself as 'clueless'. Nope its definitely not a fetish photo just an example of people with exuberance for the moment not taking themselves to seriously. Definitely played as the 'joker' card in the Mini Topic Fetish and Beauty series. Bit of a softer tone in reaction to my angst earlier in the day when I found myself challenged by stumbling across pictures of amputation and nullification as examples of fetish Miss Alice. I had to google the term 'nullification' after viewing the pictured examples and I bet it safe to say a large percentage of people will be in exactly the same boat as us in that regard.

Many Japanese TV programs seem to celebrate a penchant for silly exaggeration and frenzied antics that appear quite unusual from an American perspective. It's sorta the type of thing that you have to see to believe.

Ahhh well you have on your hands here Miss Alice a devotee of the likes such as the cult status Takeshi's Castle. The US 'version' billed as MXC (subtitled Most Extreme Elimination Challenge). Nothing quite like watching other people running full pelt semi nakkid into locked doors is there... .Phones Therapist..........

However, Japanese TV presents a fascinating contrast to the way that the Japanese people generally interact in public. My experience was that in general, the people in Japan are gracious, soft-spoken, dignified, and extraordinarily polite & respectful when addressing others - particularly visitors from overseas.

I find beautiful extremes across the board in Japanese Society , long having held my attention. As you state Alice "the people in Japan are gracious, soft-spoken, dignified, and extraordinarily polite & respectful". Its a finesse and cultural style that is applied on so many levels. Look at Shibari for example. Not just going for a bit of old rope and getting that girl hog tied down, it becomes in itself sometimes a beautiful and intricate display of not only the finesse of skill by the practitioner but also the contrasting beauty of the subjects vulnerability. Perhaps I am romanticising to a degree but I am referring to specific imagery.

Examples of Bondage Picture Inspired by Japanese Woodblock Print
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/rebecca000/BoardsLit.jpg​

Of course, underneath the respectful bow and the gentle smile and the kind offer of assistance, they might be thinking: My god, this woman is acting like an idiot! But you would never know it. Most people seem to maintain a mask of polite deference, and it very rarely slips.

I rated this photo a 6. It delights me, solely because it reminds me of the wonderful two weeks that I spent in Japan last year.

I swear I must be in some way a reincarnate of a Maiko of feudal Japan...smiles. Hard to ascertain whether the draw for me stems back to my first visit at the age of about 8 or the dozen or so visits I have made in my adult years. SO much so that for years now I have been an avid collector of Japanese Object de Art. Ranging from sake cups with translucent glazes that a courtesan can be viewed in if the base is held up to light to be used for traditional drinking games, right through to the grand finale of one of my Japanese formal wedding kimono which hangs on the living room wall just to the right of where I am sitting currently. One of my real joys also is my Hokkaido bear. "Lifesize' baby bear carved of wood in one solid piece crafted by an Inu Sculptor. Sweet thing even has a carp in its mouth and even linear of fur in detail is hand carved. He is a formidable ,tactile and charming piece.

I really couldn't resist making the ALT of Madama she is in fact a little part of me in some mischievous and obscure way......smiles. Now with the movie Geisha currently released and my interest watching parallels drawn accurately or and more often not between Geisha and submissives .......seems I am not the only one who like to romanticize life sometimes huh. Just recalled .....lol...... the second serve I ever performed was a Japanese Tea Ceremony, I enjoyed entrenching myself in the nuances of it more that the gift itself. Soooooooo typical......smiles.

So I am with you Alice for complimentary reasons some of which you will have already ascertained from above I am scoring this one a 6.