If I'm suddenly gone next year

[HotCosmo]

The combination of a thread headline at the top of the forums and iwatchus is gone! (which turned out to be much less serious than at first look) made me think I should probably mention this:

My home country is introducing a new age verification ID thing on the internet, among other things aimed at porn, sometime during Spring next year. I do not know if this will affect Literotica or not. They also have plans to restrict or possibly entirely ban the use of VPNs.

This is not the political board, so I will merely say that I disagree vehemently with both of these initiatives. If it turns out I can no longer access Literotica without verifying my IRL identity, I will most likely just disappear. This makes me sad, but it is not up for debate. I just thought I should say it, so I don't just vanish randomly.

I feel you! Spain is also about to implement a new age verification thing. They say it would be absolutely safe and private, but I have little confidence in that, but well, this is a thing that will be implemented in all UE, so probably we won't be the only ones with this problem in the near future. Well, there is always the possibility that it will be an absolute disaster and they will withdraw

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I responded to your post because it was the most recent one on the issue.

I'm not at all interested in getting into a debate in this forum about whether X is further right than Y is left. Left and right are relative terms that don't mean much to me, especially in the context of a dialogue about restrictions on erotic speech.

Seems like it would have made more sense to quote the one that started the issue, wouldn't it?
I mean that's where the real problem is, with the person that introduced the whole left/right thing into this conversation.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

Moderator? Can this be moved to Politics? Thanks.

 

[old_prof]

Moderator, I would be happy to see every post mentioning left vs right struck, including my response above.

 

[TheLobster]

Moderator, I would be happy to see every post mentioning left vs right struck, including my response above.

In the interest of unity, I shall mention that use both my left and right hand while writing.

...Well, okay, sometimes I need one hand elsewhere.

 

[YmaOHyd]

In the interest of unity, I shall mention that use both my left and right hand while writing.

...Well, okay, sometimes I need one hand elsewhere.

 

[Z_TheWriter]

@AH_Mod I tried to avoid this becoming too political, I should probably have realized it wouldn't work. Can I request you just lock further responses?

The purpose of the thread is fulfilled, if people want to discuss the politics of it, they can make their own in the appropriate forum.

 

[jsmiam]

In the US, there’s a quite common misconception regarding who gets “credit” for age verification laws. Large swaths of people are very incorrect in who they think passes these laws.

Hint: it’s both sides of the political divide. (I’m being overly generous here.)

So if California is to be an example, Texas deserves equal attention. Anyone in their right mind wanna say Texas isn’t overwhelmingly run by an extremely conservative majority? That it’s very zealous attorney general isn’t conservative?

So do a little homework. Get a little information. Get facts tonight.

Post 44. Bold. Italic. Purple. Underlined. Georgia font. Made larger. Maybe it’ll help. Mostly pointing out that states ruled by BOTH sides have age verification. In response to post 36.


Post 36 was the first to call out states by name, seemingly implying that it’s one side or the other that’s to blame. My post addressed this common misconception.

I have plenty of friends in Kansas and Missouri who don't GAF what California, New York, Illinois, and etc. have to say and exactly nothing has happened to them.

FYI, 36 comes before 44. I suppose for some, this is controversial, but numbers go 1-2-3, later reaching 36, then later again reach 44. I can put 36 comes before 44 in the controversial opinions thread perhaps. I know a person who will argue it.



Since my name was mentioned in multiple error filled posts: The first actual use of “left” or “right” came after both of these posts.

Seems like it would have made more sense to quote the one that started the issue, wouldn't it?
I mean that's where the real problem is, with the person that introduced the whole left/right thing into this conversation.

Done. First use of “left”

Yeah, God forbid we blame anything bad on the left...

…

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Post 44. Bold. Italic. Purple. Underlined. Georgia font. Made larger. Maybe it’ll help. Mostly pointing out that states ruled by BOTH sides have age verification. In response to post 36.


Post 36 was the first to call out states by name, seemingly implying that it’s one side or the other that’s to blame. My post addressed this common misconception.


FYI, 36 comes before 44. I suppose for some, this is controversial, but numbers go 1-2-3, later reaching 36, then later again reach 44. I can put 36 comes before 44 in the controversial opinions thread perhaps. I know a person who will argue it.



Since my name was mentioned in multiple error filled posts: The first actual use of “left” or “right” came after both of these posts.



Done. First use of “left”

Actually, Post 36 was a generic example of people not caring about what other states do. It wasn't addressing the issue of online porn restrictions at all, it wasn't political and it wasn't "blaming" anyone.

The irony here, was that the person extolling "doing research" didn't even realize that the 3 states mentioned don't have online porn restrictions (the topic of this discussion).

There was nothing political in this discussion until you felt the need to inject it. You can try to turn this into a pedantic argument and make childish insults if that's your thing. That doesn't change the fact that you turned this into a political issue.

 

[jsmiam]

Actually, Post 36 was a generic example of people not caring about what other states do. It wasn't addressing the issue of online porn restrictions at all, it wasn't political and it wasn't "blaming" anyone.

The irony here, was that the person extolling "doing research" didn't even realize that the 3 states mentioned don't have online porn restrictions (the topic of this discussion).

There was nothing political in this discussion until you felt the need to inject it. You can try to turn this into a pedantic argument and make childish insults if that's your thing. That doesn't change the fact that you turned this into a political issue.

FWIW, I don’t like being “ involved “ in spats, etc. Nonetheless I occasionally use people’s own words via quotes to point out their inconsistencies.

I said both sides. You brought left/right to the conversation. I welcome you to use quotes to disprove that.

 

[jsmiam]

To correct another incorrect statement, via facts and research;

Missouri: https://www.tomsguide.com/computing...issouri-on-sunday-heres-what-you-need-to-know


Kansas:
https://www.sos.ks.gov/publications/sessionlaws/2024/Chapter-28-SB-394.html

P.S: I won’t respond further to any post made without quotes or citations. Because that’s how a person wins arguments (repeatedly). With facts and quotes.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

To correct another incorrect statement, via facts and research;

Missouri: https://www.tomsguide.com/computing...issouri-on-sunday-heres-what-you-need-to-know


Kansas:
https://www.sos.ks.gov/publications/sessionlaws/2024/Chapter-28-SB-394.html

P.S: I won’t respond further to any post made without quotes or citations. Because that’s how a person wins arguments (repeatedly). With facts and quotes.

So, you wildly misinterpret what was said, then claim "facts and research".
Here's what was said:

I have plenty of friends in Kansas and Missouri who don't GAF what California, New York, Illinois, and etc. have to say and exactly nothing has happened to them.

So, he mentions that people in two moderate states (Kansas and Missouri) don't care what people in three liberal states do. (Without expressly saying lib vs con), this was part of a larger discussion about how state laws impact people in other states. It had moved on from the porn issue.
As to the characterization of those states I'll refer you to the Cook Partisan Index https://www.cookpolitical.com/cook-pvi

As I noted, none of those liberal states have such restrictions, so running to invoke "both sides" was kind of silly in the first place.
But you felt like your side was attacked so you had to make it political.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

In the US, there’s a quite common misconception regarding who gets “credit” for age verification laws. Large swaths of people are very incorrect in who they think passes these laws.

Hint: it’s both sides of the political divide. (I’m being overly generous here.)

So if California is to be an example, Texas deserves equal attention. Anyone in their right mind wanna say Texas isn’t overwhelmingly run by an extremely conservative majority? That it’s very zealous attorney general isn’t conservative?

So do a little homework. Get a little information. Get facts tonight.

So, you claimed "California is to be an example" for age verification laws... despite the fact California doesn't have such laws.

Facts and research? Not so much.

 

[jsmiam]

There are stages of laws: Proposed. Passed. Pornhubbed (where for convenience pornhub chooses to self-block themselves on a case by case basis, sometimes before a law is in effect), pre-litigated (somebody’s suing), passed and pending (ready to go but not in effect yet) and finally, in effect. These aren’t all the perfect legal terms. I’m quite fond of “pornhubbed”.

It’s painful to document each and every scenario. California’s law is passed and goes into effect in 2027. Signed by their governor. (Texas, in 2026.)

My point was and remains that both sides have pursued age verification, whether through proposing it, passing it, passing it soon, fighting in court, going to the Supreme Court, whatever. Blaming one side or the other is incorrect. Making it partisan/left/right is incorrect. I originally addressed that, then was forced to correct your inaccurate statements too.

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing...ill-is-this-the-safest-way-to-verify-your-age

So, you claimed "California is to be an example" for age verification laws... despite the fact California doesn't have such laws.

Facts and research? Not so much.

Feel free to provide research of your own. I’d rather move on with my day. But as long as you say incorrect things, I will disprove them. Perhaps you could say something correct. Then we can move on.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

There are stages of laws: Proposed. Passed. Pornhubbed (where for convenience pornhub chooses to self-block themselves on a case by case basis, sometimes before a law is in effect), pre-litigated (somebody’s suing), passed and pending (ready to go but not in effect yet) and finally, in effect. These aren’t all the perfect legal terms. I’m quite fond of “pornhubbed”.

It’s painful to document each and every scenario. California’s law is passed and goes into effect in 2027. Signed by their governor. (Texas, in 2026.)

My point was and remains that both sides have pursued age verification, whether through proposing it, passing it, passing it soon, fighting in court, going to the Supreme Court, whatever. Blaming one side or the other is incorrect. Making it partisan/left/right is incorrect. I originally addressed that, then was forced to correct your inaccurate statements too.

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing...ill-is-this-the-safest-way-to-verify-your-age


Feel free to provide research of your own. I’d rather move on with my day. But as long as you say incorrect things, I will disprove them. Perhaps you could say something correct. Then we can move on.

Which completely ignores the fact the post mentioning California wasn't about age verification laws to begin with.
Also, the article you linked is a broad based requirement for all new devices. Nowhere does it state that adult content would be restricted.
It's fundamentally different in nature and scope than the law in Texas.
I'd say forcing EVERYONE to provide data is far more draconian than only requiring those who want to access specific content to do so.



As much fun as it is to watch you squirm on this hook, none of your "argument" changes the fact YOU made this political.

If you want to have a pedantic argument, enjoy the politics board.

 

[Baztrachian]

Moderator, I would be happy to see every post mentioning left vs right struck, including my response above.

For the record I did not mention left or right. I mentioned Kansas and Missouri because I live in Kansas City which straddles both states. I have friends in both states who get shitty imperious demand letters from California, New York, and Illinois (primarily) and they ignore those letters because there isn't fuck all those states can do when:

1. The business in question is wholly based in Kansas or Missouri.
2. The transaction takes place on the business website which is essentially in Kansas or Missouri.

That means the Kansas or Missouri business doesn't need to pay business taxes to California, New York, or Illinois regardless of how huffy and puffy their demand letters might be. Sales taxes do get collected when applicable.

It also means that the Kansas or Missouri business doesn't need to conform to any of the legions of regulations that are imposed by California, New York, and Illinois.

 

[Baztrachian]

So, he mentions that people in two moderate states (Kansas and Missouri) don't care what people in three liberal states do. (Without expressly saying lib vs con), this was part of a larger discussion about how state laws impact people in other states. It had moved on from the porn issue.
As to the characterization of those states I'll refer you to the Cook Partisan Index https://www.cookpolitical.com/cook-pvi

As I noted, none of those liberal states have such restrictions, so running to invoke "both sides" was kind of silly in the first place.
But you felt like your side was attacked so you had to make it political.

See the post immediately above this reply.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

See the post immediately above this reply.

So would you say I fairly characterized your concern as not having anything to do with adult content restrictions?

 

[AH_Mod]

@AH_Mod I tried to avoid this becoming too political, I should probably have realized it wouldn't work. Can I request you just lock further responses?

The purpose of the thread is fulfilled, if people want to discuss the politics of it, they can make their own in the appropriate forum.

Done.