If only Literotica had an actual editor

[BobbyBrandt]

The spirit of the rules, certainly. The actual rules... maybe not, as it's not played for eroticism; it's just a straightforward story about a guy murdering his wife in cold blood. It should be against the rules, certainly, and the author should be banned as he's submitted like a hundred of these in the last five months.

That's absurd. Seriously absurd.

If you don't like the subject matter, don't read it.

 

[StrentWriter]

I tried a few years back to get a volunteer editor to look at my work, to no avail. Is anyone still doing it?

Every time I come across a new mistake in my work I wish I’d had an editor. Being the writer of a forest, you can’t see the wood for the trees and all that…

 

[alohadave]

Murder isn't against the rules. Snuff is against the rules.

The murder happens during sex. Pretty snuffish.

I tried reporting it last night but the report pop up wasn't working correctly.

 

[Voboy]

The murder happens during sex. Pretty snuffish.

I tried reporting it last night but the report pop up wasn't working correctly.

Was it done for sexual gratification, though, or to titillate? If not, it's kosher here.

Without having read the piece in question, I don't think that's against the rules. I most certainly would never have reported it; if Laurel lets a story through, that's good enough for me. As someone who's had some of my own stories reported for no good reason, I'm very much against that sort of thing.

 

[alohadave]

Was it done for sexual gratification, though, or to titillate? If not, it's kosher here.

I'm not into snuff so I can't comment on how titillating it is for people with a fetish for shooting people in the crotch while they are having sex and watching the man bleed out.

 

[YmaOHyd]

That's absurd. Seriously absurd.

If you don't like the subject matter, don't read it.

This is an erotic fiction site and this is what happens in the story: there's a graphic description of the husband shooting his wife and her lover to death while they have sex. He laughs himself sick as they bleed out. He gives all her stuff to his secretary. The end.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

The murder happens during sex. Pretty snuffish.

I tried reporting it last night but the report pop up wasn't working correctly.

Sometimes it helps to ping 'you know who' here to the thread.

 

[markDark]

Does anyone use a site like Pro Writing Aid or Grammerly to help with the editing/error correction part or writing? I use a tool like this (not the AI rewrite features) in my non-erotic writing to help catch grammar and spelling issues but I’m wondering if the taboo/erotic nature of my new story will violate the platform’s terms of service.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

This is an erotic fiction site and this is what happens in the story: there's a graphic description of the husband shooting his wife and her lover to death while they have sex. He laughs himself sick as they bleed out. He gives all her stuff to his secretary. The end.

Literary + Erotica.

A lot of people like to postulate that this site is only meant for erotic stories, and while those stories are certainly the majority, they are not the exclusive content, and as evidenced by the categories, were never intended to be. Even the "how-to" category takes your "fiction-only" claim out of the mix.

Let me take a quick count of my own stories...

Eight. I have 8 stories published here where someone gets killed and there is no graphic sexual content. One of them won a monthly award (when the site still had them), and all of them have a red H.

If your issue with the story you mentioned is the fact that the murder took place during a sexual act, you are focusing too much on the content and not on the context in which it was presented. Personally, I can't imagine the average person would get aroused, titillated, or sexually gratified by the scene as you describe it, which makes it perfectly acceptable here, and most other places too.

The murder happens during sex. Pretty snuffish.

By definition, "snuff" implies the murder of a real person. Pretty hard to accomplish in a fictional literary tale.

From my own experience, if Laurel has already approved the story, reporting it would get it immediately taken down by the system, but an appeal by the author would likely get it quickly restored.

 

[Voboy]

From my own experience, if Laurel has already approved the story, reporting it would get it immediately taken down by the system, but an appeal by the author would likely get it quickly restored.

This. It's whack-a-mole.

It's Laurel's site. If she approves a story's content, I don't reckon it matters that I disapprove of it. Don't like it? Don't read it.

 

[YmaOHyd]

Literary + Erotica.

Well it ain't literary either.

A lot of people like to postulate that this site is only meant for erotic stories, and while those stories are certainly the majority, they are not the exclusive content, and as evidenced by the categories, were never intended to be. Even the "how-to" category takes your "fiction-only" claim out of the mix.

Golly really? You're telling me the non-erotic category is meant for non-erotic stories? Well tickle my Elmo!

If your issue with the story you mentioned is the fact that the murder took place during a sexual act, you are focusing too much on the content and not on the context in which it was presented.

The thing is here that I know the context and you do not. The context of the murder is that the story opens with the narrator walking into his bedroom and murdering two people, then the story ends. There is no context; it's all content.

The question posed by the content guidelines is not 'does this story make people aroused.' The question is 'is this story intended to arouse.' That's trickier. It's certainly arousing the author. Other people -- probably not, the story's so badly written that it shouldn't have been published in the first place.

There's also this:

• Works that promote or glorify hate, intolerance, or violence towards any person or group.

A body of work littered with ~1500 word contextless, plotless stories in which a man commits revenge-murder then lives happily ever after is, to me, glorification of hate towards women.

This. It's whack-a-mole.

It's Laurel's site. If she approves a story's content, I don't reckon it matters that I disapprove of it. Don't like it? Don't read it.

I'd be on board with that if I believed there was a moderation process beyond keyword searching for CSAM terms. It doesn't seem like that's the case. There was an ad for a website posted the other day.

 

[Voboy]

I'd be on board with that if I believed there was a moderation process beyond keyword searching for CSAM terms. It doesn't seem like that's the case. There was an ad for a website posted the other day.

That's certainly a point of view, and you're within your rights to submit a report.

If the writer cares, though, the story will very likely be back up quite soon. At that point, it's up forever.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

That's certainly a point of view, and you're within your rights to submit a report.

If the writer cares, though, the story will very likely be back up quite soon. At that point, it's up forever.

Which is exactly what happened when my story was reported by someone. It took less than half an hour for me to get it restored.

 

[IWroteThis]

The murder happens during sex. Pretty snuffish.

I tried reporting it last night but the report pop up wasn't working correctly.

No, not even close to what snuff is.

To be snuff, it would have one of the participants killing the other for the sexual high. It would not be an enraged spouse who walked in on them.

Sorry, but you should probably know what you're talking about before talking, and especially before filing a false report.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Golly really? You're telling me the non-erotic category is meant for non-erotic stories? Well tickle my Elmo!

You're the one who stated, "This is an erotic fiction site", so someone obviously had to tell you.

The thing is here that I know the context and you do not. The context of the murder is that the story opens with the narrator walking into his bedroom and murdering two people, then the story ends. There is no context; it's all content.

The question posed by the content guidelines is not 'does this story make people aroused.' The question is 'is this story intended to arouse.' That's trickier. It's certainly arousing the author. Other people -- probably not, the story's so badly written that it shouldn't have been published in the first place.

True. I took my view of the context from what you described, and from that saw no intent to arouse, titillate, or seek sexual gratification. Describe it differently and that may change.

A body of work littered with ~1500 word contextless, plotless stories in which a man commits revenge-murder then lives happily ever after is, to me, glorification of hate towards women.

Again, you have read it, and I haven't. Your opinion has value, but not enough to outweigh the author's right to write and publish what they want within the guidelines of this site.

 

[YmaOHyd]

You're the one who stated, "This is an erotic fiction site", so someone obviously had to tell you.

If you don't think it is, then there's probably no point in engaging with you on this or any other topic. This whole shoving your glasses up on your nose, actually it's literary plus erotica thing is deeply stupid.

 

[alohadave]

Sorry, but you should probably know what you're talking about before talking, and especially before filing a false report.

I'll report stories that I feel shouldn't be here, and I don't need your permission to decide what that is.

 

[Voboy]

Which is exactly what happened when my story was reported by someone. It took less than half an hour for me to get it restored.

Same here.

If this is objectively not snuff, and the writer cares enough to drop a line to Laurel? Same thing will happen here, too.

 

[Britva415]

By definition, "snuff" implies the murder of a real person. Pretty hard to accomplish in a fictional literary tale.

That's like saying that murder implies that it happened to a real person, therefore there can't be any such thing as a fiction story about murder.

If the site agreed with you, they wouldn't have made a rule about it.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

That's like saying that murder implies that it happened to a real person, therefore there can't be any such thing as a fiction story about murder.

If the site agreed with you, they wouldn't have made a rule about it.

I can't speak for Laurel, but my interpretation of the "no snuff" terminology associates it with the requirement that the actions not be presented in a manner to arouse, titillate, or entice sexual gratification. That is the intended focus for one participant in a snuff film killing another. Look it up.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

If you don't think it is, then there's probably no point in engaging with you on this or any other topic. This whole shoving your glasses up on your nose, actually it's literary plus erotica thing is deeply stupid.

My opinion has nothing to do with it.

There are thousands of stories published here that are neither fiction nor erotic, and they do quite well. That is simply the reality.

 

[Britva415]

I can't speak for Laurel, but my interpretation of the "no snuff" terminology associates it with the requirement that the actions not be presented in a manner to arouse, titillate, or entice sexual gratification. That is the intended focus for one participant in a snuff film killing another. Look it up.

I get that. I heard what you had to say about defining what "snuff" means (and implies and is implied by), and you heard what I had to say about it. Are we done or... ?

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I get that. I heard what you had to say about defining what "snuff" means (and implies and is implied by), and you heard what I had to say about it. Are we done or... ?

We're good

 

[Britva415]

I can't speak for Laurel, but my interpretation of the "no snuff" terminology associates it with the requirement that the actions not be presented in a manner to arouse, titillate, or entice sexual gratification. That is the intended focus for one participant in a snuff film killing another. Look it up.

Oh yeah, plus, I did look it up, and I was right: The site does call it snuff, so, if fictional snuff weren't possible, you'd be right, but the site believed in it, so, it's not just me.

 

[IWroteThis]

I'll report stories that I feel shouldn't be here, and I don't need your permission to decide what that is.

No, you obviously don't need my permission to be stupid.

It's fine to feel something shouldn't be here. It's even fine to report it. However, claiming it to be something it's not to increase the odds of it being removed is not. That is fraud.