If the Gaza War is a factor for you in this election

[alex4every1]

As an Israeli, I don't understand why does that bother you that much? Is this the main criteria to decide who will be president?
Honestly, I don't know enough about the US to be able to have a proper opinion about your stuff. Many Americans don't, but I don't get to vote and I think it's none of my business.
Just wondering, why the hell you think you know that much about what's going on here in the middle east and what the truth is?

 

[Politruk]

As an Israeli, I don't understand why does that bother you that much? Is this the main criteria to decide who will be president?

By no means the main one. But it is a salient issue -- from over here, what's happening now in Gaza looks like genocide, or something tending in that direction. We haven't seen campus demonstrations on this scale since the Vietnam War ended -- demonstrations in which the protestors take over the campus, and will not be moved until the pigs break out the tear gas.

 

[CherryCupcake]

No. I very much dislike what Hamas did, dislike how the right-wing government in Israel is conducting the war, dislike the fanatics who want this to continue on both sides, and I accept the election itself is changing how the US is dealing with Israel. Honestly, I think at times the US government is the only party in this war that truly wants peace except for the victims

But it is stupid to be a single issue voter, particularly when one candidate has threatens to end Democracy .

 

[Politruk]

The problem here is Biden did not choose, but simply inherited, a decades-old alliance with Israel.

It's a Cold War relic. Nevertheless, it would take a LOT to get any POTUS to repudiate that.

 

[alex4every1]

By no means the main one. But it is a salient issue -- from over here, what's happening now in Gaza looks like genocide, or something tending in that direction. We haven't seen campus demonstrations on this scale since the Vietnam War ended -- demonstrations in which the protestors take over the campus, and will not be moved until the pigs break out the tear gas.

Having demonstrations in campuses doesn't mean they are rightful. It might be just a tool to engineer people's opinions. You can easily feed people with false information.
You don't learn about things from some speaker, demonstration or a single TV channel. Read more, learn, process. Build an objective opinion.
I was not born in the Soviet Union. i moved to Israel when I was 6 y/o and grew up here. Some of my classmates didn't make it to their senior year in high school, because a terrorist just blew himself up at the entrance of a club.
I served in the army, completed my reserve years and was dismissed due to my age.
Last year I got a call from the army. They asked if I could volunteer. I left my family and work behind and joined my unit again.
Just completed a round last month and currently back home.
I took part in many ops. If you knew how we charish the rules of engagement, how much effort we put in preventing collateral damage and be loyal to moral principles, while the other side doesn't give a damn and fire at cities and civilian targets...
Many soldiers lost their lives because we were trying to minimize damage to the other side. Soldiers who suspect their actions took an innocent life are beating themselves, seeking therapy. Some commit suicide.
It's never easy to kill someone, even if he deserved it. Especially when as revenge, more people die from your side.
War is never a good thing. What we are trying to do is to neutralize any threat to iur civilians. We have two regions people had to leave abs can't back home. We have hostages taken more than a year ago from their beds. You can"t just let these thing be.
Think of the root cause of the conflict. Who are the parties? Who benefits from it? What is the goal? Why the situation is like this?

For example, take Algeria or Tunis. Both countries are far enough from Israel.
Why they aren't developed? Why they don't produce anything useful to the world? Why the people there are poor?
Same applies to Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Lebanon, Syria etc.
What us the size of Israel? How it was established? What was before? What has happened after?

Just don't preach me about occupation. I don't think you are ready to give back your house to a tribe of native Indians...

 

[Politruk]

What does she say about Bernie Sanders supporting Harris?

Bernie speaks.

 

[adrina]

I have a super-liberal niece who will bring shame and disgrace to the family name tomorrow by wasting her very first presidential vote on Jill Stein.

"Only Jill Stein Can Save Palestinian Babies".

Donald J. Trump appreciates her support.

What does she say about Bernie Sanders supporting Harris?

Bernie speaks.

@RobDownSouth - any chance Bernie can make a dent in her opinion?

 

[ShandyLeer]

Our national election shouldn't be about Gaza or any or any other foreign influence. It should be about us securing our rights and securing our nation.

From Russia ?

 

[Politruk]

Just don't preach me about occupation. I don't think you are ready to give back your house to a tribe of native Indians...

If the Indian wars of the 19th Century were happening now, there would be pro-Indian demonstrations.

 

[Politruk]

Think of the root cause of the conflict. Who are the parties? Who benefits from it? What is the goal?

Seems like EACH side's goal is a Canaan completely rid of the other population, from the Jordan to the sea.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Seems like EACH side's goal is a Canaan completely rid of the other population, from the Jordan to the sea.

It’s quite obvious that the 2 peoples can co-exist.

And just as obvious that the Parties of God on both sides make it impossible.

On the Israeli side the God botherers sometimes have significant influence and sometimes don’t depending on the make up of their Government after each election. It depends. It’s mindless to paint the entire population as “right wing” when they’re the very people who gave us Karl Marx and the Kibbutz.

Meanwhile on the other side the people are represented by leadership committed to holy war until they defeat a nuclear armed state.

It’s a mess for sure, but the 2 aren’t remotely the same.

 

[deckardB26354]

But it is stupid to be a single issue voter, particularly when one candidate has threatens to end Democracy .

Agreed. It’s absolutely stupid to focus all of one’s attention on a single issue. Seeing news reports of people refusing to vote for a candidate—or vote at all—because of the Israel/Gaza war is stupid.

Can one US president stop the war in that region? Perhaps, but only by taking extreme action that kills a lot of people and probably a lot of our own soldiers. However one US president can side with Israel and provide more arms and materiel and wipe Gaza (more) off the map. I certainly don’t see it going the other way with Gaza getting arms, etc., because we won’t be supporting Hamas.

The next president will have to accomplish some serious diplomacy—preferably with a new SOS—to at the very least reach a ceasefire. Harris would take this tack and Trump would give Bibi anything he wants to allow Israel to run roughshod over the Palestinian people.

I don’t know why or how Arab-Americans can’t see this and support Harris as the best path to some sort of a two-state solution—starting with negotiating a ceasefire.

 

[Politruk]

It’s quite obvious that the 2 peoples can co-exist.

And just as obvious that the Parties of God on both sides make it impossible.

"If only we were heathen so we could all live together like good Christians!"

-- Old Irish Joke

 

[Rebel5soul]

Trump will undoubtedly unleash the Israeli's to exterminate Hamas and Hezbollah in the most expeditious manner. Long, long, overdue.

 

[RobDownSouth]

@RobDownSouth - any chance Bernie can make a dent in her opinion?

 

[alex4every1]

Seems like EACH side's goal is a Canaan completely rid of the other population, from the Jordan to the sea.

Yes and no. Food for thought. There was no Jordanian state before 1946. The kingdom of Jordan we know today and we take for granted didn't exist before.
What was there then? Well, Jordan and Israel (or Palestine if you insist) were joint and controlled by the UK.
The size of Jordan is 89342 square km.
Israel's size today is 22072 square km.
Not sure if it includes Gaza strip and the West Bank territories or not, but you get the point.
UK withdrew from Palestine and passed the control to the Israeli government on 1948.
If back at the time the Brits would say - "ok guys, those 20% west of the river will be jewish and the other 80% will be given to the arabs", no one claimed it's unfair to the Palestinians.
Basically, that's what happened and this is the actual split. But arabs want it all.
Obviously, we occupy ground they lived on. Many countries occupy land purchased, conquered etc.
United States, Russia, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, UK.... You name it!
As per Israel, we are here now. This is not going to change, unless they kill us all. And that's what they are trying to do.
We don't practice genocide and agression to take other more pieces of land. Every time we cross the border, is only to neutralize threat to civilians. We are forced to demolish tunnels, rocket lanchers etc. that are used to randomly shoot residential areas. It's impossible to go on with life when any moment rocket can be fired at you. No one would tolerate this.
If the same resources were invested in development, power stations, factories, education and sonon, Gaza would thrive. And we don't mind! But they invest everything in making our lives miserable.
This is the problem, briefly.

We could easily co-exist, if they wanted to.

Andcyes, there us a minority of fanatics who think it's some kind of holy war and we are the chosen ones etc.
There are stupid people everywhere, we are no different. But in general, this is not the vibe here.
You can't know that, obviously, because you are not here, and that's fine.
What I'm saying is you can't have an opinion really, not knowing the truth... And I don't say take my things as granted. Do your own research, ask, talk to people and then make up your mind.