I'm curious...

[RobDownSouth]

So you approve of selective tariffs?

Selective tariffs are but one weapon in the economic arsenal. China was taking a huge loss on steel production to flood American markets and put American steelmakers out of business, and the Obama administration responded with a selective tariff specifically on Chinese steel imports to say, nope, not gonna happen.

Trump's blunderbuss approach is already causing retaliatory selective tariffs being proposed to levy on specific American businesses. Today the European Union proposed punitive tariffs on American bourbon and Harley Davison motorcycles, both made in two states that voted for Trump. These were not random tariffs, they were specifically designed to hit Trump where he's most vulnerable, punishing his base.

Trump, like you, seem to fail to realize that actions have consequences.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

^^ Tarriff might not be the right word for what I'm thinking.

When a company lays off US workers at $15/hr to move to Pakistan and hire workers for $15/week, I would impose fees on products brought back to the US for sale so that there would be no gain in profit for them.

Same with offshore call centers. Amazon and eBay (for example) would be required to pay fees here in the US to offset any 'savings' for paying lower wage workers there.

Those fees would be paid by the companies, not the other governments.

I see. So is it your position that when McDonald's or Pizza Hut opens a new franchise in Singapore that it be only staffed by American teenagers relocated oversees?

Same question for when Hilton opens a hotel in Brussels.

Meanwhile, were you aware that Toyota and Honda make "foreign cars" in America by the hands of American workers primarily for sale to Americans? Interesting, huh? Wonder how many other companies might be doing that? (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/05/15/foreign-manufacturers-bringing-jobs-to-us/2070327/) But then, I guess that's their battle to fight back home.

And your ass is in a knot over call center workers?

 

[BotanyBoy]

^^ Tarriff might not be the right word for what I'm thinking.

When a company lays off US workers at $15/hr to move to Pakistan and hire workers for $15/week, I would impose fees on products brought back to the US for sale so that there would be no gain in profit for them.

Same with offshore call centers. Amazon and eBay (for example) would be required to pay fees here in the US to offset any 'savings' for paying lower wage workers there.

Those fees would be paid by the companies, not the other governments.

Jesus christ you don't know how business works do you?

 

[WoundedKnee]

Nothing like dragging your pet peeve into a discussion that it's not relevant to.

 

[about_average]

I know some think it is, but Canada, the largest foreign supplier of steel to the US, isn't a developing shit hole country.

On the cost of goods, according to the commerce secretary (who's in favor of the them) the tariffs will cost consumers overall $30,000,000,000 in beer price increases alone.

It will also cost Paul Ryan's teacher twice her tax savings to buy a new car.

 

[jaF0]

But I'm right, just not a w(R)ong.

I don't let Suits screw the people.

 

[about_average]

I see. So is it your position that when McDonald's or Pizza Hut opens a new franchise in Singapore that it be only staffed by American teenagers relocated oversees?

Same question for when Hilton opens a hotel in Brussels.

Oh come on. I'm pretty sure McDonald's and Pizza Hut don't close restaurants in the US and open them in Singapore to ship the food back to the US.

 

[WoundedKnee]

He grows his own food and makes his clothing by hand starting with raising a sheep.

 

[jaF0]

Another is that the benefit working class Americans get from tax reform and tax cuts will be pissed away on more expensive cars and other items.

Funneling money to the Suits for Country Club fees and Yacht dockage

 

[HisArpy]

I know some think it is, but Canada, the largest foreign supplier of steel to the US, isn't a developing shit hole country.

On the cost of goods, according to the commerce secretary (who's in favor of the them) the tariffs will cost consumers overall $30,000,000,000 in beer price increases alone.

It will also cost Paul Ryan's teacher twice her tax savings to buy a new car.

I read this as more of the same; "OMG, TRUMP thinks he knows something about economics!!! A Tariff will cost the middle-class more money!!!" hyperbolic schpeel that followed the tax cut.

No one is forcing you (or Paul Ryan's teacher) to buy that stuff. It's consumerism that's been allowing China to subsidize their steel production to the tune of 150% of the world market demand. The Tariff is supposed to punish China by reducing the consumer demand through pricing. Too expensive? Don't buy it. China takes it in the shorts. That's perfectly fine by me. Why isn't it ok with you? Do you want China to continue dumping government subsidized goods into the US and destroying American industry and costing the US thousands of jobs?

 

[OldJourno]

Funneling money to the Suits for Country Club fees and Yacht dockage

That makes no sense. Where would the extra money in American wallets be funneled without the tariff?
In your mind, the answer would be somebody else's country club fees and yacht dockages.

 

[Rightguide]

^^ Tarriff might not be the right word for what I'm thinking.

When a company lays off US workers at $15/hr to move to Pakistan and hire workers for $15/week, I would impose fees on products brought back to the US for sale so that there would be no gain in profit for them.

Same with offshore call centers. Amazon and eBay (for example) would be required to pay fees here in the US to offset any 'savings' for paying lower wage workers there.

Those fees would be paid by the companies, not the other governments.

^^^

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But I'm right, just not a w(R)ong.

I don't let Suits screw the people.

No you're not.

The suits aren't screwing the people, people trying to run the prices of everything up on the consumers (you) are the ones trying to screw the people.

 

[CNYCarol]

Who here thinks that tariffs are a good idea?

Lack of tariffs are what killed the "American Auto Industry" with a Lot of help from unions.

 

[HisArpy]

That makes no sense. Where would the extra money in American wallets be funneled without the tariff?
In your mind, the answer would be somebody else's country club fees and yacht dockages.

JaFo never makes sense. Lots of ranting and blaming others, but not much sense.

 

[Taint_mAnn]

In Trump's first year he spent 100 days at a golf course. Who are the idiots that voted this guy in?

 

[WoundedKnee]

Lack of tariffs are what killed the "American Auto Industry" with a Lot of help from unions.

We're still making cars.

 

[jaF0]

We're still making cars.

Out of plastic. Or tin so thin you can do a $1,000 in damage just by leaning on it in the wrong place.

 

[Saint Peter]

Who here thinks that tariffs are a good idea?

This guy does.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/03/02/shortly-before-trump-announced-tariffs-his-former-adviser-dumped-millions-in-steel-related-stocks/?utm_term=.fc89800a3f39

 

[about_average]

I read this as more of the same; "OMG, TRUMP thinks he knows something about economics!!! A Tariff will cost the middle-class more money!!!" hyperbolic schpeel that followed the tax cut.

No one is forcing you (or Paul Ryan's teacher) to buy that stuff. It's consumerism that's been allowing China to subsidize their steel production to the tune of 150% of the world market demand. The Tariff is supposed to punish China by reducing the consumer demand through pricing. Too expensive? Don't buy it. China takes it in the shorts. That's perfectly fine by me. Why isn't it ok with you? Do you want China to continue dumping government subsidized goods into the US and destroying American industry and costing the US thousands of jobs?

LMAO So your solution is for consumers to quit buying things.
That'll do wonders for the US economy.

 

[Adre]

I’m curious too. Who here thinks Icahn was tipped off about the tariff so that he could make millions by dumping some related stocks?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I’m curious too. Who here thinks Icahn was tipped off about the tariff so that he could make millions by dumping some related stocks?

Only those who think Icahn himself and his allegedly anonymous source are BOTH so incredibly stupid that he could engage in a blatant and not even thinly concealed criminal act of insider trading on a literally massive scale and actually get away with it.

And these really are the only two choices as I see it. This truly is an enormous coincidence, or it is an act of incomprehensible stupidity on a par with a bank robber giving a teller an "empty your cash drawer" note that turns out to be his driver's license.

 

[cowslinger64]

^^^

Ignorance is bliss.

No you're not.

The suits aren't screwing the people, people trying to run the prices of everything up on the consumers (you) are the ones trying to screw the people.

vette and botanydummy sharing their stupidity. A board constant.


If there were ever two people that should really shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing themselves, it'd be you two limp dicks.

 

[HisArpy]

LMAO So your solution is for consumers to quit buying things.
That'll do wonders for the US economy.

I never said the answer to the economic issues facing the US is for the consumer to stop purchasing goods. It's really easy to put your foot in your mouth when you try to ascribe words to others. You do the foot-in-mouth-thing very well.

In a nutshell, what I said was; if something is too expensive because of the Tariffs, then don't buy it.

This will actually stimulate the economy because it will require that US manufacturers tool up for domestic production rather than the US relying on imported goods. The recent solar panel and washing machine tariffs are a great example, both are going to build facilities here in the US to avoid the tariff. Which translates directly into jobs and more money in the economic stream. Right now unemployment is at an all time low. Employers like the US steel and aluminum industry are going to have to fight to get workers. That raises wages and workers will demand better working conditions to go along with them.

It will also result in the prices of consumer goods dropping in order to stimulate consumers into buying.

More jobs, better wages, better working conditions, lower prices, less reliance on non-domestic goods, lower trade imbalance. It's not that complicated. But then, for someone who sole purpose is to say stupid shit, it might be.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Artificial stimuli eventually come to an abrupt end because it forces Capital into endeavors in which it would not naturally seek out and any end to the tariffs would result in the loss of that Capital as business owners responded to the free market.
It is the same harm that cash for clunkers did to the economy and to the poor.