I'm going to have a small rant here.

[Netzach]

When women are willing to pay a thirty dollar cover charge to get into a club full of men, then the day of equality will be here.

As long as testosterone exists and befuddles men's minds, that day will be postponed.

Yup.

In the meantime, I'd still like my shirts done for what the hell is it 3.50? Goddamn.

 

[Netzach]

No, it's about equality in some areas where women want it. I have yet to see a woman fight for equality in an area where it would mean a disadvantage.

Oh horse shit. Women have struggled to get put on the front lines of wars, dive into burning buildings, allow men to stay home with the babies if it's their thing, and fit pipes. It might not make the pages of Bougie Ms. Magazine, but one sees what they look for.

 

[Primalex]

Oh horse shit. Women have struggled to get put on the front lines of wars, dive into burning buildings, allow men to stay home with the babies if it's their thing,

Interesting what you consider a disadvantage.

Adding more job choices for a woman is no disadvantage, even if you think the jobs are not feminine.

Where is the woman filing the lawsuit to enforce that women have to be registered with the Selective Service System, too?

 

[brioche]

Interesting what you consider a disadvantage.

Adding more job choices for a woman is no disadvantage, even if you think the jobs are not feminine.

Where is the woman filing the lawsuit to enforce that women have to be registered with the Selective Service System, too?

Interesting what you don't.

Are there men somewhere fighting for disadvantages?

Netz, I think you're awesome, and I used to try to educate people like this gentleman, but it's free speech and he can say what he will, and it's a waste of oxygen.

So sir, continue to think in your outmoded ways, I will ignore you, and we will go our separate ways.

(from a country that doesn't have a draft - but my brother chooses to serve)

 

[Stella_Omega]

Interesting what you consider a disadvantage.

Adding more job choices for a woman is no disadvantage, even if you think the jobs are not feminine.

Where is the woman filing the lawsuit to enforce that women have to be registered with the Selective Service System, too?

You can file one if you want. Equality is pretty DIY-- ask any woman who has fought for it. the equalities we have, have come at a hella cost and effort; argument, lawyers fees, political careers, destroyed reputations, grassroots canvassing, shelters for women whose husbands who were perfectly willing to beat the feminism out of the little woman.

The matter of inequitable nightclub fees... you don't like it? YOU get off YOUR ass and do something about it. Open your own club, and charge the same for men and women, Or start canvassing, complaining, hiring ACLU lawyers, make a public stand.

if you're upset that women now have more job choices, just remember-- you are always able to take any of the traditionally female jobs. Secretary, housekeeper, homemaker, perfume counter staff...You could even be a nanny, if you wanted!

 

[~Haze~]

Yeah, that pisses me off, too. A couple of clubs and parties around here do that, and it's total bullshit. It's not a "women are better" policy, but a "we want a lot of hot women in order to attract guys who are willing to pay more for the pleasure of ogling hot women" policy. It might be good business sense, in a twisted sort of way, but it's horrible as far as customer relations goes.

::don't shoot the messenger::

The thing is.... the people who are pissed off are ugly so they don't care what they think.

 

[~Haze~]

It's a double-double...

 

[~Haze~]

It is unfair of them to charge men and not women. Unless they're doing a ladies' night and a gentleman's night, I suppose. But that'd have to do both at one point or another, otherwise that wouldn't be fair either.

It doesn't really have to be fair. The club owners do whatever they want (within reason) and they usually do what they think will be best for business. There are a few things to consider...

Reputation - of course, any club wants to have a favorable reputation for being a good place to go. That could mean great dancing, great DJs, great kink, known for attracting the hottest women... whatever.

And the other thing is money. How much revenue they generate and how that relates to profit. Obviously, everyone is in this game to make money.

If this club owner is anything like the club owners I know, there is a lot involved.. discussions with owners, staff, accountants, lawyers, managers, and PR professionals.

The decision to charge at the door and how much is usually examined closely. You want to make money. You want to scare off people who don't want to spend money, but you don't want to scare off 'high rollers' either. But cover charges are usually for the general population and anyone of any importance is passing the lines and not paying the cover charge.

The goal for most clubs and "The door" or "The Cover" is probably is probably to have 1.25 women to each man and you need each man to spend $x. Let's say average of $125 each (just rough estimates and guesses based on my limited club management exposure).

While men who bypass the cover are expected to spend 10 to 20 times more than the guy who is paying to get in. Obviously - attractive women attract big spenders. Obviously - this amount more than makes up for the cover charge.

There are also other factors, but that's good enough for quick discussion's sake.

 

[00Syd]

::don't shoot the messenger::

The thing is.... the people who are pissed off are ugly so they don't care what they think.

Wait... so are you saying that I'm ugly? Or that every man who gets pissed off that they have to pay more is ugly? Or that only ugly people get pissed off that men have to pay more?

 

[~Haze~]

Wait... so are you saying that I'm ugly? Or that every man who gets pissed off that they have to pay more is ugly? Or that only ugly people get pissed off that men have to pay more?

Oh, stop... you know that I think that you're one of the most attractive people on Lit.

Well actually... now that I think of it... you don't know that. I've never had the chance and opportunity to mention it.

First time for everything.

And because I don't know what you look like, my opinion is based on what I do know. Your style... your sense... your sense of style... your personality.... the way you think... what you think.... and the way you express and defend your thoughts and opinions. I could go on... I should go on... but I don't want to see insincere.


But back to the post.... I meant the customers who's relations are in question.

 

[Netzach]

Interesting what you consider a disadvantage.

Adding more job choices for a woman is no disadvantage, even if you think the jobs are not feminine.

Where is the woman filing the lawsuit to enforce that women have to be registered with the Selective Service System, too?

I'm not talking about breaking a nail, I'm talking about the risk of being killed as you do your work. At least that's what guys bitch about women being unwilling to do in these cases, so I call bullshit. There's a long and storied history of women getting into trades, high risk work, and wanting to be recognized by the military as competent. Or is there something more pink and girly about being blown up on a truck convoy in Afghanistan versus with a gun in your hand in front?

 

[satindesire]

As a side note, I think the idea of a male nanny or "Manny" is awesome.

 

[Stella_Omega]

As a side note, I think the idea of a male nanny or "Manny" is awesome.

In a little black uniform with a starched cap...

 

[satindesire]

In a little black uniform with a starched cap...

Haha, no kink implied. I just think a guy who loves kids enough to work as their caretaker is freaking awesome.

 

[emap]

I don't have any kids but I'll take a manny in a black speedo thank you very much.

Anyway, the entire cover charge is a farce anyway, there is a cover charge because people assume a place that charges has to be awesome so they will stand in line and wait to get in. Women get charged less as has been said already so they go there. Men will go to anyplace that has a possibility of having drunk women there they can score with.

Basically, you shouldn't be upset with the club for charging women less than men, you should be upset at the club for making you waste money you could have bought one extra drink with. I mean hell try checking out the cost of hell a beer at a club or bar, then go buy one from Circle K, the 40oz is less than the single regular bottle you got from a bar, clubs tend to be more and don't actually give you more beer.

Then start looking at what goes into a margarita or well whatever your favorite drink is then go buy the bottles, use a calculator if you must to figure out how many of whatever drink you get out of the bottles you bought. Clubs make around $3 a drink, some are of course much higher in profit margin, a basic beer is about well was $4 profit, they cost the bar about I think it was 50 cents a bottle and well they were $5, some did $4 or even $4.50.

I mean holy crapola, ya'll get seriously hosed just buying one drink and nobody buys just one drink. It was cheaper to buy a 6 pack of bottles at any store than it was to go to a bar and buy one beer. Women generally don't care to much because guys will buy them drinks, or women if you go to a lesbian bar. But well excuse my french but fuck that, if I drink and I'm not getting drinks bought for me I go to the grocery store and invite some friends over.

Anyway, you are totally hyping about the wrong thing, most of the women who go to a club want to get drinks bought for them, paying to get in is totally out of the question, that is why they don't get charged. The cover charge is nothing more than a way to make people go oh yeah gotta go there, why do you think they pay celebrities to go to them, so the not celebrities will go oh god it's awesome diddy goes there or whatever.

 

[Black_Bunny]

I'm not sure if we're still talking about fetish clubs or just normal nightclubs here, but in my area it's not uncommon for a vanilla nightclub to charge single men, while couples or women get in for free. No-one has a problem with it, maybe because there are plenty of other clubs to choose from that don't have this policy, and maybe because everyone understands that it's necessary to keep the balance. In my area, single guys tend to go out in big groups of mates, while single girls go out in twos. So if the club lets in two groups of friends, one of males and one of females, they have let in six or seven males but only two females. You can imagine what the ratio of men to women would get to be, and it turns people off. It is all about business decisions and making money. Woolworths or whoever don't have to worry about keeping a ratio, they just need to make sales. Who they sell to doesn't determine how much more they can sell to another person.

 

[Primalex]

Interesting what you don't.

Are there men somewhere fighting for disadvantages?

No idea, not as far as I know.

Unfortunately your question implies that you didn't get the thread. I never claimed that men would fight for equality "in ALL THINGS". So please re-read the thread, if you want to discuss with me.

So sir, continue to think in your outmoded ways, I will ignore you, and we will go our separate ways.

I don't have much to say to people, either male or female, who lack basic comprehension skills anyway.

 

[PertPerth]

A club is successful if its filled with women

Period.

Basically it's a marketing tool. Considering most of the time women tend to pay more for things (basic clothing, hair cuts etc) I don't see the issue. Sometimes women pay more, for other things, men pay more.

 

[Primalex]

I'm not talking about breaking a nail, I'm talking about the risk of being killed as you do your work.

And I'm talking about the fact that adding freedom of choice is never a disadvantage. And I have yet to see an argument against this from you.

There's a long and storied history of women getting into trades, high risk work, and wanting to be recognized by the military as competent.

And? Where did I deny this?

 

[Primalex]

You can file one if you want.

No need to, this issue was already decided by the Supreme Court.

The matter of inequitable nightclub fees... you don't like it? YOU get off YOUR ass and do something about it. Open your own club, and charge the same for men and women, Or start canvassing, complaining, hiring ACLU lawyers, make a public stand.

I don't care at all about inequitable nightclub fees. I didn't make this thread. I didn't agree in any posting in this thread to anything the thread starter complained about. So why do you think I don't like it?

if you're upset that women now have more job choices,

Why should I be upset about that? Where did I express that it's bad that women have successfully fought for more job choices? I clearly stated that it's not a disadvantage when women have more jobs to choose from. So why do you think I am upset about women having more job choices?


Did you just have the general urge to vent or are your hostile allegations specifically aimed at me?

 

[DVS]

Period.

Basically it's a marketing tool. Considering most of the time women tend to pay more for things (basic clothing, hair cuts etc) I don't see the issue. Sometimes women pay more, for other things, men pay more.

Yes, what club owners are doing is a marketing tool. But, yes and no to the statement that sometimes men pay more and sometimes women pay more so it balances out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just being the devil's advocate here. But, when you talk about hair cuts for instance, men go to a barber and women go to a salon. They don't get the same treatment in the same place. Women may pay more, but they probably also get more professional service. Men, just get their hair cut. Well, maybe the metro sexual types get their hair styled, but none of my friends do that. Shit, when it comes down to it, some of my friends are lucky to have hair.

Clothing? Yes, women pay more. That's mostly because women like to look nice and men don't give a shit. I guess most men at least care if their clothes are clean, but not all. And partly because women like to look nice, it costs more to look nice.

Men can wear a T-shirt and blue jeans and be happy. Every once in a while, the T-shirt might be some other color besides white. But with some men, the closest they'll ever get to a fashion statement is to roll their cigarettes up in their sleeve.

If men wanted to look good, I'm sure their clothes would cost more, too. And they do, if you look at the corporate world. Even the business casual can be a little pricey, but we still don't go to the extent that women do. Men can be happy with a couple pair of shoes. Women?

What the OP has been talking about here is a business charging one gender more than the other gender for the same service in the same establishment. Now personally, I understand the reason club owners do this, but that doesn't make it right.

I don't even go to clubs any more, but I did notice this when I was going. It's been happening for years. I didn't like it then, but I knew the reason for it. It's a business practice that is not directed against men or women, but it does involve both sexes.

And just like some women care about woman's lib and some don't, I think we have the same kind of understanding with this. Some people will see it as an issue and some just don't seem to care.

Now don't anybody come bitching to me about this post. I'm not going to argue about something I don't really have a problem with. I'm just trying to put an analogy to it, to maybe help others who might not understand. And it's always possible that I'm making it worse. It's happened before...but not recently.

 

[Homburg]

Technically, this is price discrimination first and foremost, but I'm being discriminated against because I have a penis. In what way is that not sexual discrimination? It doesn't matter that this club is a luxury item, unless you'd make the same argument in support of a car dealership that charges one sex a different price to the other.

Uh, this happens all the time. Women routinely pay higher prices for cars, services, etc at dealerships. While men are likely to be as ignorant of technical issues and pricing as women, the perception is that women will be ignorant. Thus many dealerships take advantage of this by tossing out charges and hoping they won't get noticed.

It's despicable practice, but it goes on all the time. I have worked for dealerships that did just that, and caught hell because I refused to join in the practice. Not all are unethical by a long stretch, but it is not exactly rare.

Add to that women's clothing. They're more expensive, usually less well-made compared to similar quality level men's products, and they do not last near as long.

As to the actual issue, I don't give a toss. It's demand-based pricing, as someone already said. Whatever.

 

[blane75]

As to the actual issue, I don't give a toss. It's demand-based pricing, as someone already said. Whatever.

The cover is the same to get in. The extra is for access to drunk horny women.

 

[Netzach]

And I'm talking about the fact that adding freedom of choice is never a disadvantage. And I have yet to see an argument against this from you.



And? Where did I deny this?

Then I have no idea what you're whinging about. What, "father's rights?" in court? You have to be a mass murderer for them to question visitation rights, it's totally overblown.

What, exactly, selective service?

I'd like to see selective service applied to men of all class brackets let alone men and women alike.

I am in favor of everyone signing up at 18-26 for some kind of national effort, whether military or something servicey for the CO's - but incredibly enough GOPtards have freaked out that this is MARXIST OH NOES. So much for patriotism.

 

[KoPilot]

Add to that women's clothing. They're more expensive, usually less well-made compared to similar quality level men's products, and they do not last near as long.

QFT.

Also, I'm sure living in a society that consistently pressures women to regularly pay for unnecessary services and expensive things in order to amount to anything doesn't help.