Intelligent Conversation

[Dillinger]

Mechanics based on mathmatical theory, or am I thinking physics? Whereas Zen is more of a place within ones own mind?

All science is based on Math. Quantum Mechanics (or Quantum Physics) is the branch of science that describes the nature of the universe as being very different then the world we can see.

Zen describes the nature of the univers as being very different than the world we normally see...

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: Re: Another question for Dill

He's behind the curve. I read recently about a case where they grew a new penis for someone on their arm

that would be some intereing conversation at the bar.

 

[Mischka]

I would think our overreaction to weather and our obsession with "what if" scenarios stem from the same trait - our inclination to ponder the unknown. Weather is still something we have no control over - we may spend countless hours and piles of money trying to predict the weather, but in the end, it is still an unpredictable force in our lives. It's the same with the "what if"s. We know what is happening. It's more interesting to contemplate all the other ways the variables could have lined up. Reminds me of those Choose Your Own Adventure books from my childhood. Though we can only reach one ending, it was always fun to sneak a peak at all the other possibilities.

 

[Dillinger]

It would to me. Turn it around... what better way to spend the last 10 minutes of your life than showing/telling someone you love them? Would you prefer to spend those last 10 minutes doing the same day to day tasks you normally do?

Sure... go ahead and say it, hug your love ones... but I think the point is that they should already know it - that it shouldn't have waited till then for them to find out how you feel... to know they are loved...

 

[Dillinger]

It was entertaining to me. It was what I needed at that point last night. It took my mind off the hell that has become my life of late. So I thank you for it.

My life hasn't exactly been a bed of roses lately either... *hug* - so I'm glad we both had some entertainment to distract from the day to day.

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Re: Re: Another question for Dill

that would be some intereing conversation at the bar.

Especially before the transplant...

Customer: - I'd like a beer, please...

Bartender - Uh... is that a Penis on your arm?

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Another question for Dill

Especially before the transplant...

Customer: - I'd like a beer, please...

Bartender - Uh... is that a Penis on your arm?

Wonder what pre transplant arm sex would of been like to get used to

Sorry I'll leave now, I am not making a very intelligent addition to the conversation right now, i will be back when I find something intelligent to pretend I know something about,

 

[lavender]

 

[Dillinger]

Actually your name, lavy is the last one I saw... *lol*

 

[lavender]

 

[Ask For More]

Actually your name, lavy is the last one I saw... *lol*

Yeah, and we all know she never has anything useful to contribute

Or is that me?

 

[Dillinger]

Best offer I've had in ages! Bend over, babe... oh wait, you are...

 

[Dillinger]

Yeah, and we all know she never has anything useful to contribute

Or is that me?

I don't know - what did you contribute so far? *lol*

 

[Dillinger]

OK people... back to it... give me some zen, give me some physics...

Give me some zenphysics...

Give it to me!

 

[Ask For More]

There's only a few things I can talk intelligently about.
Like economics, sport and....erm...

You can keep your zenphysics and malarky to yourself

 

[sexy teacher]

Ultimate Truths

Hey Dill~
I took your advice... thanks!!

I happened to come by the comment about finding the ultimate truth ....
I may be way off here but I tend to believe that the only ultimate truth which exists is the truth in our hearts and what that means to us. We were not hear the day this planet was created nor were we here the day people evolved (whether "God" did it or evolution). We have to take in what we know and come to our own conclusions so with that I say the only ultimate truth is in our hearts!

I'd love to know what you think...hell I could be way off but I think that this makes sense well at least it does to me.

 

[Dillinger]

There's only a few things I can talk intelligently about.
Like economics, sport and....erm...

You can keep your zenphysics and malarky to yourself

I didn't limit this thread to zenphysics and I don't recall mentioning malarkey (which, btw, means insincere or foolish talk - exactly the OPPOSITE of what this thread is supposed to be about).

So... you want to talk economics? Have at it...

Sports... if you insist, but someone other than me will have to pick up the ball on that one. I'm sure you can talk "intelligently" about sports if you must ...

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Ultimate Truths

Hey Dill~
I took your advice... thanks!!

I happened to come by the comment about finding the ultimate truth ....
I may be way off here but I tend to believe that the only ultimate truth which exists is the truth in our hearts and what that means to us. We were not hear the day this planet was created nor were we here the day people evolved (whether "God" did it or evolution). We have to take in what we know and come to our own conclusions so with that I say the only ultimate truth is in our hearts!

I'd love to know what you think...hell I could be way off but I think that this makes sense well at least it does to me.

Well said, sexy teacher - you're saying much the same as I, just using different terminology.

 

[Camille]

Power

I have been pondering the power of female sexuality. I have come to a final thought that it is not a strength in women but a weakness in men.

Cam

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Power

I have been pondering the power of female sexuality. I have come to a final thought that it is not a strength in women but a weakness in men.

Cam

You seem to be making a statement more than initiating a conversation...

Why has led you to this conclusion?

 

[Camille]

Okay

Observation, why the completely strange things men do when pursuing women. I do have my opinions yet I am not crazy enough to think that my assumptions are flawless.

We women have our own handicaps.

I am just always amazed at the value some men put on sex.

What is so important about sex?

Cam

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Okay

Observation, why the completely strange things men do when pursuing women. I do have my opinions yet I am not crazy enough to think that my assumptions are flawless.

That stems from fear of rejection and insecurity. And from the fact that we - in America - have been brought up in a society that represses sexuality. It creates an internal struggle that on the one hand says "this is good, this is natural" and on the other hand says "I'm going to go to hell." That's a simplistic answer - its more complicated, but I think you probably get the idea. We should be taught to be comfortable with our own sexuality and with the sexuality of others and to understand that it is a healthy and natural drive. But we're not. Hence, mend do strange things. So do women, for that matter. As you said:

We women have our own handicaps.


I am just always amazed at the value some men put on sex..

Why are you so amazed about it? Again, its natural... but the value is raised because of the repressive social and cultural mores we have been brought up in. Its the great taboo - something we're not allowed to have or barely talk about till we're 18 - yet we sneak around learning about it and getting it anyway... of course the value is high... if our society allowed us to naturally express our sexuality it wouldn't be such a big deal anymore...

What is so important about sex?.

All I can say is...

HUH?

What's not important about it?


BTW - you still haven'treally explained your statement "I have been pondering the power of female sexuality. I have come to a final thought that it is not a strength in women but a weakness in men. " - your subject matter in your follow up post was somewhat similar but not quite to the point. What about female sexuality is a weakness in men?

 

[kashmir]

it's all relative

What is your personal mythos that most often connects to your soul and it’s growth therein?

Mine changes to fit my own personal archetypes as I grow and evolve…isn’t it wild to feel the call of the Gods?…Egyptian and Greek…

Have you ever had an experience that changed the way you perceive reality in a pure moment of utter enlightenment?

I had an out of body experience involving petroleum ether that drastically changed my entire reality.

Do you feel that there are many parallels existing in one relative time frame?

Duh, trick question..
Sorry..!
[grins]

 

[Silverlily]

Fantasizing is healthy - but not at the expense of living. Fantasize for fun... fantasize to make your life better - take your fantasies and make them real. People obsess rather than deal.

Perhaps this phenomenon needs further study, care to be my lab partner?


Sorry, a conversation...

What (in 100 wordds or less) exactly is the difference between Zen and that other stuff you mentioned? And can you achieve these states of mind at 130 mph?

 

[Dillinger]

Re: it's all relative

What is your personal mythos that most often connects to your soul and it?s growth therein?

My father is the Sun, my mother the Moon. I am a cosmos unto myself. Sometimes I'm a particle, sometimes a wave.

Basically you're asking - "what are your beliefs" and how has that affected my personal growth.

I have studied many religions, philosophies and belief systems. I have found a gestalt - bits and pieces here and there - that have defined my own path in this world and through my soul. I have survived Chapel Perilous and come out the other side stronger.

Influences on my personal mythos have been Egyptian Magick, Zen, Druidism, Wicca, Discordianism, Golden Dawn, Alchemy, Tree of Life... these are the influences that have changed my world viewpoint as an adult. As a child I was brought up in much the same American socio-political-religious culture that many of us have been. Was a hippie yippie anarchist as a teenager - flirted with punk... politics... this that and the other. When I discovered the writings of Robert Anton Wilson is when the light truly shined in my mind and I found the beginnings of my true path...

Have you ever had an experience that changed the way you perceive reality in a pure moment of utter enlightenment?

I've had more than one such experience. I mentioned Chapel Perilous above. In Wilson's words "everything you fear is waiting with slavering jaws in Chapel Perilous

But if you armed with the Wand of Intuition... the Cup of Sympathy? the Sword of Reason? and the Pentacle of Valour...

Chapel Perilous is a place in your mind, your soul, your heart? it is a turning point that can change your life for better or worse. It is taking a stand. It is do or die. It is a crossroads where you must make a choice.

Chapel Perilous, like the mysterious entity called "I," cannot be located in the space-time continuum; it is weightless, odorless, tasteless and undetectable by ordinary instruments. Indeed, like the Ego, it is even possible to deny that it is there. And yet, even more like the Ego, once you are inside it, there doesn't seem to be any way to ever get out again, until you suddenly discover that it has been brought into existence by thought and does not exist outside thought. Everything you fear is waiting with slavering jaws in Chapel Perilous.

That's what the legends always say, and the language of myth is poetically precise. For instance, if you go into that realm without the sword of reason, you will lose your mind, but at the same time, if you take only the sword of reason without the cup of sympathy, you will lose your heart. Even more remarkably, if you approach without the wand of intuition, you can stand at the door for decades never realizing you have arrived. You might think you are just waiting for a bus, or wandering from room to room looking for your cigarettes, watching a TV show, or reading a cryptic and ambiguous book. Chapel Perilous is tricky that way.

My journey to Chapel Perilous came during a bad acid trip when I was 18 or 19. I had made the stupid mistake of taking LSD-25 at my parent?s house during Thanksgiving (yes I was young and more than just a bit foolish). It was a horrible, horrible experience. I ended up saying I was sick and spending the night alone in my old room in my parent?s house. Anyone ever trip locked in a room? Stupid stupid stupid. The turning point for me? the crossroads where I had to choose came when I reached the point where I truly didn?t know if I was still in my parent?s house having a terrible trip or whether I had gone insane and had been in an insane asylum for years and only thought I was still at my parent?s house.

Try and understand? I truly did not know. My future, my life was at stake here? just as surely as if someone had a gun pointed at my head.

I found the exit to Chapel Perilous when I realized it didn?t matter. I could believe ? and it would therefore and forever more be my reality ? that I was locked up in an insane asylum. Or I could choose the other path ? to believe that I was sound of mind and body and just having a bad trip, which would eventually end, and life would continue on?

I chose life? but, from that point on, a new direction? a new path? a new understanding. A moment of insight about truth and the nature of reality.
Trust me ? what we believe, what we perceive and how we deal with it creates our own realities. I still have moments every now and then where that doubt seeps into my consciousness, I?m never completely free of it ? but each time I make the same choice, choose the path to freedom.

I've been to Chapel Perilous since then ? for other reasons ? but never has it been so intense as the first time?

Dill