Iraqi man regrets toppling statue of Saddam Hussein

[Boxlicker101]

it mobilised the foreign jihadists for one.

That's true, but there were only two Americans responsible for that. One is currently POTUS and the other is running for the office. Of course, you could stretch a point and blame all the people who voted for Obama in 2008.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

That's true, but there were only two Americans responsible for that. One is currently POTUS and the other is running for the office. Of course, you could stretch a point and blame all the people who voted for Obama in 2008.

how did obama influence that?

this was 2003.

 

[Boxlicker101]

how did obama influence that?

this was 2003.

I mean American forces abandoned Iraq, creating a power vacuum which was filled by ISIS. This would not have happened f even a token force of Americans had remained.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

I mean American forces abandoned Iraq, creating a power vacuum which was filled by ISIS. This would not have happened f even a token force of Americans had remained.

ah, right. but the vacuum was created in 2003. there were foreign jihadists in iraq as early as june - we went across the border in march of the same year.

 

[phrodeau]

how did obama influence that?

this was 2003.

He was wielding immense power from his part-time office in the Illinois legislature.

 

[JackLuis]

The Iraq fiasco was caused not so much by the invasion as by the clueless Neo-Cons Bush put in charge of the recovery after Victory. Bremmer's actions and and the ideological "New American Century" idiots who had no idea how to counter an insurgency caused most of the problems.

Not that W and Dick shouldn't bear most of the responsibility for this clusterfuck, but when they staffed the administration of Iraq with neo-cons and their allies, who had no idea how to run a society as screwed up as Iraq, that is what caused Iraq to unravel.

By the time the Kenyan Usurper got there, the neo-cons had things so screwed up that it will take a century to restore what might be called civil society in Iraq.

 

[underguy1]

Well, I have definitely not read anything believable from you. If there were millions of Iraqis killed during the 1990's, it must have happened when I wasn't looking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

 

[underguy1]

The Iraq fiasco was caused not so much by the invasion as by the clueless Neo-Cons Bush put in charge of the recovery after Victory. Bremmer's actions and and the ideological "New American Century" idiots who had no idea how to counter an insurgency caused most of the problems.

Not that W and Dick shouldn't bear most of the responsibility for this clusterfuck, but when they staffed the administration of Iraq with neo-cons and their allies, who had no idea how to run a society as screwed up as Iraq, that is what caused Iraq to unravel.

By the time the Kenyan Usurper got there, the neo-cons had things so screwed up that it will take a century to restore what might be called civil society in Iraq.

No. The policy was and is to destroy Iraq as a functioning homogenous nation capable of independence of action. Bremer's actions were preconceived, precise and deliberate.

 

[underguy1]

John Pilger - Paying the Price - Killing the Children of Iraq [2000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OLPWlMmV7s

 

[BotanyBoy]

The issue is that the US and UK have committed genocide in Iraq.

No they haven't....

If we wanted them all dead we would have done a far better job in a far shorter period of time.

Reality is they are a bunch of religious fuckin' lunatic savages and they largely killed each other.

And hopefully they keep up the good work.

 

[underguy1]

No they haven't....

If we wanted them all dead we would have done a far better job in a far shorter period of time.

Reality is they are a bunch of religious fuckin' lunatic savages and they largely killed each other.

And hopefully they keep up the good work.

You're just a racist and a bigot and thus your opinion is worth nothing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't like facts!! YOU'RE RACIST!!!

http://i.imgur.com/p88K1Kb.jpg

Typical SJW

 

[underguy1]

Typical SJW

I suppose your claim is that "they are a bunch of religious fuckin' lunatic savages" is not a racist statement.

You've got to laugh at how the extreme right tries to make the language fit their own perverted views.

George Orwell! Come on down!!!

 

[BotanyBoy]

I suppose your claim is that "they are a bunch of religious fuckin' lunatic savages"

It's not a claim, it's a not even up for debate, irrefutable FACT.

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I didn't label or blame a race of people.

Shit I didn't even label or blame a religion.

You've got to laugh at how the extreme right tries to make the language fit their own perverted views.

I laugh any time either side thinks that is a trait only the other side has.

 

[underguy1]

It's not a claim, it's a not even up for debate, irrefutable FACT.

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I didn't label or blame a race of people.

Shit I didn't even label or blame a religion.



I laugh any time either side thinks that is a trait only the other side has.

Are you even capable of logical thinking?

Your statement is overt, obvious racism.

Your pics are meaningless. You waged war on them, moron. You destroyed their state, moron.

Iraq had a higher literacy rate than the USA. It was a secular society with a well developed education system, a well functioning health system, extensive state infrastructure and a developed manufacturing sector.

The area is the cradle of civilisation.

And your ruling class destroyed it for class financial interests.

 

[BotanyBoy]

http://i.imgur.com/KzAf28V.gif
Your statement is overt, obvious racism.

How exactly?

Your pics are meaningless.

Only because they shit on your emotional social justice bullshit and prove my argument.

You waged war on them, moron. You destroyed their state, moron.

That doesn't make them not killing far more of their own people in considerably more brutal manners in the name of their god than anyone.... by a long shot.

Iraq had a higher literacy rate than the USA. It was a secular society with a well developed education system, a well functioning health system, extensive state infrastructure and a developed manufacturing sector.

The area is the cradle of civilisation.

And your ruling class destroyed it for class financial interests.

All irrelevant emotional appeals that fail to make my factually correct statement wrong or racist.

Trigger on my SJW friend.....
http://i.imgur.com/aTQfWQj.gif

 

[underguy1]

Childlike.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Childlike.

Yet 100% accurate.
https://media.giphy.com/media/jhzrvGrGsPJni/giphy.gif

 

[underguy1]

Sadly you probably believe that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sadly you probably believe that.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

I'm willing to examine my position if you can produce something other than "I hate the USA" lefty SJW talking points.

 

[underguy1]

What are you? 12?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

What are you? 12?

I guess not.

 

[underguy1]

John Pilger - Paying the Price - Killing the Children of Iraq [2000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OLPWlMmV7s

Horse, water etc....

 

[underguy1]

Denis J. Halliday (born c.1941)[1] was the United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq from 1 September 1997 until 1998. He is Irish and holds an M.A. in Economics, Geography and Public Administration from Trinity College, Dublin.

After a 34-year career at the United Nations, where he had reached Assistant Secretary-General level,[2] Halliday resigned in 1998 over the Iraq sanctions, characterizing them as "genocide".[2][3][4] He subsequently gave the following explanation of his decision to resign:

I often have to explain why I resigned from the United Nations after a 30 year career, why I took on the all powerful states of the UN Security Council; and why after five years I continue to serve the well being of the people of Iraq. In reality there was no choice, and there remains no choice. You all would have done the same had you been occupying my seat as head of the UN Humanitarian Program in Iraq.

I was driven to resignation because I refused to continue to take Security Council orders, the same Security Council that had imposed and sustained genocidal sanctions on the innocent of Iraq. I did not want to be complicit. I wanted to be free to speak out publicly about this crime.

And above all, my innate sense of justice was and still is outraged by the violence that UN sanctions have brought upon, and continues to bring upon, the lives of children, families – the extended families, the loved ones of Iraq. There is no justification for killing the young people of Iraq, not the aged, not the sick, not the rich, not the poor.

Some will tell you that the leadership is punishing the Iraqi people. That is not my perception, or experience from living in Baghdad. And were that to be the case – how can that possibly justify further punishment, in fact collective punishment, by the United Nations? I don’t think so. And international law has no provision for the disproportionate and murderous consequences of the ongoing UN embargo – for well over 12 long years.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Halliday

 

[underguy1]

After Denis Halliday resigned as UN Humanitarian Coordinator for Iraq in October 1998, Sponeck took over, heading all UN operations in Iraq and managing the Iraqi operations of the Oil-for-Food Programme.[1] In February 2000, Sponeck and Jutta Burghardt, head of the UN World Food Programme in Iraq, both resigned for the same reason as Halliday, to protest against the Iraq sanctions policy of the UN. Sponeck and Halliday wrote an article in The Guardian explaining their position, accusing the sanctions regime of violating the Geneva Conventions and other international laws and causing the death of thousands of Iraqis.[4]

He was equally critical of the "smart sanctions" policy[clarification needed] a couple of years later: "What is proposed at this point in fact amounts to a tightening of the rope around the neck of the average Iraqi citizen. The so-called 'new' sanction policy maintains the old bridgeheads of the current sanction regime: the oil escrow account remains with the UN, market-based foreign investment in Iraq will not be allowed and an oil-for-food program stays in the hands of the UN."[5]