Is it Safe to be Attractive in America?

[bg23]

i would think the fear of shooting stems from the fact that socially awkward men with shit boundaries and a sense of entitlement (if she doesn't accept your advances, insult her because that now makes her a bitch) are demonstrably violent towards the women who spurn them.

case in point, elliot reed. i think the fear that you'll get shot if you turn down a creepy dude who harasses you is very much a legitimate one, and it doesn't have a thing to do with what race he is. his way of thought was not an isolated incident - in the wake of the shootings plenty of dudes came out in support of him -- "let that be a lesson to you stuck up bitches, give us some pussy or die".

 

[Laurel]

I agree, but am giving her the benefit of the doubt because having someone follow you can be very unnerving.

True, but never once did I say I felt "harassed", nor use the word "harassment".

That anecdote was given in this thread:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1072903
where the OP asked if women wore sexy clothing as a way of flirting with all men. My anecdote, in context, was meant to show that while many women do wear sexy clothes to flirt with specific dudes - and while some women may dress to elicit every random strange boner, not every woman does, and even those women who often do dress to provoke don't do it every single day of the week - it is incorrect to assume that just because you may find a woman's outfit sexy it means she is specifically flirting with you. That's the entire gist of my post. No more, no less.

The weirdo didn't scare me. It was daylight on a crowded street. But I was having a nice day and didn't want to deal with someone with obvious social interaction issues. Sure, when people are weird there's always the chance there's something dangerous behind the weird. Women are taught to be overly cautious all our lives. But in these circumstances I wasn't afraid. I was annoyed. I didn't want to deal with this dude.

You mentioned "game". Guys with good game don't make wild assumptions. They move, then pay attention to all the subtle and not-so-subtle clues a girl gives them before reacting. Basically, guys with good game understand other human beings - just like good salespeople or con artists or any super-persuasive types. If they're interested in a girl on the street, they either turn around and catch up to her or not follow her at all. They don't follow 30 feet behind her for blocks. Because that would be weird.

Or if she walks into a convenience store, a guy with game wouldn't stand outside like some sort of freaky spy/stalker. He could walk into the store like a normal human being and casually approach her, say something flattering and light, then watch her reaction. If she wasn't interested, he'd move on. If she was, they could exchange numbers. Or he could walk on by and chat up some other chick.

Lance is right in his (rather odd) defense of creepy weirdos. They do have a right to be creepy weirdos if they want to be. It's not against the law to assume that a girl you don't know is into you just because she turns you on, then tell her out of the blue she has a nice ass or follow her around. But does anyone really want to be That Guy?

That was my point to the OP of the other thread - don't be That Guy. Don't make assumptions. Doing so just makes you into a creeper and everyone else uncomfortable.

That this point flew over a certain someone's head isn't surprising. But for the record: for many women like myself, when we shy away from you guys who choose to be publicly gross, strange, or inappropriate, it's not because we're oh-so-scared by your wild display of amazing sexual aggression. It's because you're creepy and annoying.

And that's all I have to add to this thread.

 

[Que]

i would think the fear of shooting stems from the fact that socially awkward men with shit boundaries and a sense of entitlement (if she doesn't accept your advances, insult her because that now makes her a bitch) are demonstrably violent towards the women who spurn them.

case in point, elliot reed. i think the fear that you'll get shot if you turn down a creepy dude who harasses you is very much a legitimate one, and it doesn't have a thing to do with what race he is. his way of thought was not an isolated incident - in the wake of the shootings plenty of dudes came out in support of him -- "let that be a lesson to you stuck up bitches, give us some pussy or die".

There is no point in ever having an objective discussion about anything. The national media decides what they would like us to think about something, and the vast majority of you :nod: along.

Elliot Spencer killed more men then women. No one rejected him, he never approached a girl, ever. In his delusional thinking they were going to eventually notice his sunglasses and car and approach him.

The lesson here if one can apply anything one crazy person does to humanity is the "quiet guy" next door who doesn't approach women is a risk.

 

[dolf]

because a door was locked.

 

[bg23]

There is no point in ever having an objective discussion about anything. The national media decides what they would like us to think about something, and the vast majority of you :nod: along.

Elliot Spencer killed more men then women. No one rejected him, he never approached a girl, ever. In his delusional thinking they were going to eventually notice his sunglasses and car and approach him.

The lesson here if one can apply anything one crazy person does to humanity is the "quiet guy" next door who doesn't approach women is a risk.

why did i say elliot reed? too much scrubs. not spencer either - rodgers it was. whatever.

anyway, i'm not applying it to every guy. i'm applying "he could shoot you" to every douchebag who thinks that if he compliments you and you don't immediately get on your knees to suck his cock that that makes you a bitch. that that means he now has the right to follow you and shout insults at you. like that guy did to wings. her fear that he might shoot her? that's a real fear. because of guys like this:

http://jamesmsama.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/er3.png?w=700

these ARE the guys that would follow a chick and call her a fat bitch if she turns him down. they're the same guys who think elliot rodgers was awesome.

 

[ishtat]

On that note, I have a friend from South Korea who live in a big city there, Seoul (I probably misspelled that). They have these night clubs where women get in free and often the bouncers will come up and try to get chicks in the nightclub. If you want them to leave you alone- speak English to them. Because so many American tourists have maced them that a single word in English scares the shit out of them now. They're scared they're gonna get their asses kicked.

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I have a Korean family member (by marriage) and have also been to Seoul more than 50 times in the last 10 years. If you maced, or attacked any South Korean you would be in big trouble. Koreans have a very 'Confucian' culture with very closely observed rules on how people must behave towards and respect each other.

They are also often called the Irish of Asia due to their fondness of getting drunk and their propensity to get into fights with each other. I am also quite certain most Koreans would not be the slightest bit scared of American tourists, because your story about "so many American tourists have maced them" is imaginary at best, and foolishly mischevious at worst.

I don't doubt that women can be harrassed in Korea and certainly in Japan, but you make an ass of yourself when you try to apply a response couched in American cultural norms to a society you are woefully ignorant about.

 

[Lancecastor]

I don't know whether I believe that part. Her story is specific at Target but then gets vague. He followed her into a highly secure office building and shouted out slurs? And the security did nothing? This does not pass the smell test.

Do have have pics for us of you sniffing whatsherface?

 

[evesdream]

Well at least we all know who to blame for 9/11 now.

 

[evesdream]

Just on sheer effort to create a racism issue, not on results.

You mean Funk, or Lance?



I don't blame Laurel for not wanting to deal with the list of potential consequences when it comes to declining unexpected advances from aggressive romantics (let's be generous). They're nuts.

Alternatively, a brilliant friend once sent me this by way of possible explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsipTDRsJU

 

[Saint Peter]

Well at least we all know who to blame for 9/11 now.

Yes!




Who?

 

[evesdream]

Yes!




Who?

Hussies like you!

 

[dolf]

Alternatively, a brilliant friend once sent me this by way of possible explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsipTDRsJU

brilliant!

 

[evesdream]

brilliant!

Isn't it great?

 

[Saint Peter]

What? Am I supposed to just get up and go sit next to her? Come on.

 

[Laurel]

Alternatively, a brilliant friend once sent me this by way of possible explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsipTDRsJU

Awesome.

 

[Lancecastor]

Lance is right in his (rather odd) defense of creepy weirdos. They do have a right to be creepy weirdos if they want to be. It's not against the law to assume that a girl you don't know is into you just because she turns you on, then tell her out of the blue she has a nice ass or follow her around.

It's not creepy to check out a good looking girl in cut off shorts and a stretchy t shirt on a sunny day, especially if she locks eyes with you and smiles.

You got creeped out, and rightly so, as the guy wasn't nearly smooth enough for a woman of your caliber.

...but that doesn't mean the guy was a creep.

 

[ryan8558]

Laurel next time you go for a walk in cutoffs and a tight tee also wear one of these, you shouldn't have any problems.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/10/article-0-0ABDA745000005DC-220_224x423.jpg

 

[Wings]

i would think the fear of shooting stems from the fact that socially awkward men with shit boundaries and a sense of entitlement (if she doesn't accept your advances, insult her because that now makes her a bitch) are demonstrably violent towards the women who spurn them.

case in point, elliot reed. i think the fear that you'll get shot if you turn down a creepy dude who harasses you is very much a legitimate one, and it doesn't have a thing to do with what race he is. his way of thought was not an isolated incident - in the wake of the shootings plenty of dudes came out in support of him -- "let that be a lesson to you stuck up bitches, give us some pussy or die".

Just to clarify, I don't have a fear of being shot on these streets. I was only trying to illustrate that while I can take care of myself I can't out-muscle a bullet. That would be a bad situation that I couldn't end myself.

I don't assume every person I come across has a gun nor do I assume that every guy who nods at me or smiles is a creep that I need to be cautious of. It's the escalation of such actions that scare me.

The original point of my story in this thread was that if I'M being harassed and feeling threatened then I can't even imagine what the truly hot women go through.

(Not what you said but I am your minion so I needed to respond to your post)

 

[Lancecastor]

I am on Laurel's side in this and would like her to feel reassured that her outfit was appropriate.

Laurel, if you post a pic, I will give you my honest appraisal.

 

[dolf]

Laurel next time you go for a walk in cutoffs and a tight tee also wear one of these, you shouldn't have any problems.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/08/10/article-0-0ABDA745000005DC-220_224x423.jpg

in burqa/niqab pushing nations women still get harassed and raped.

here, I think it would stop wolf whistles & cat calls, but little else.

...burqas are sexy though.

 

[ryan8558]

in burqa/niqab pushing nations women still get harassed and raped.

here, I think it would stop wolf whistles & cat calls, but little else.

...burqas are sexy though.

http://www.fertilemonk.com/imx/woman_with_burka_2555768_424x283.jpg

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Apparently LadyFunk and dolf are about the only people besides me who ever manage to get outside and see the sun...

 

[zipman]

You mean Funk, or Lance?



I don't blame Laurel for not wanting to deal with the list of potential consequences when it comes to declining unexpected advances from aggressive romantics (let's be generous). They're nuts.

Alternatively, a brilliant friend once sent me this by way of possible explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsipTDRsJU

I meant Funk. Hers was a lame attempt to inject racism into something that clearly had nothing to do with race.

Lance was just pulling pig-tails.

 

[Riles]

I miss having pigtails to pull.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Elliot Spencer killed more men then women. No one rejected him, he never approached a girl, ever. In his delusional thinking they were going to eventually notice his sunglasses and car and approach him.

Elliot Rodgers killed more men than women because he had more access to men than women at the time. Period. He was a racist, privileged, sociopathic shitstain who couldn't deal with his internal crap and, as all stains like him, he took the bitch way out.

That doesn't mitigate his misogyny. Or the point here, ironically served through the shitty OP's glaring raison d'être: Women get hurt and can lose their lives because men can't deal.