Israel resumes terror campaign as IDF snipers target Gazan children

[BrightShinyGirl]

Even if this was the issue.

You cannot claim that what is going on, is purely good vs. evil.

There is a lot of propaganda going on on both sides. But while both groups claims to be fighting for their own survival.. then reality is that one side is severely limited and cornered - the other is killing house sparrows in droves with cannons.

Pain is pain, you cannot compare who is suffering the most, when they lose a loved one.
But can you name all the innocent Palestinians that have been killed? Do you know their faces? Do you feel their suffering?
... Or is that not important?

Both sides have behaved inhumanely, in the name of survival.. but which side will go to sleep with a full stomach in a soft bed?

Hamas has pledged to commit genocide against the Jews. They started this recent round of fighting with an orgy of rape, murder, and hostage taking. They're only playing the victim now because they're losing the war they started.

"Both sides" narratives always help bad actors. This is true whether they're deployed with the Democrats and the Republicans or Israel and Hamas.

Hamas could end this war immediately by surrendering and releasing the remaining hostages.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

If you can't be critical of Israel's obvious atrocities, your criticism of HAMAS don't mean shit.

Which "obvious atrocities" are you talking about?

 

[DeluxAuto]

Which "obvious atrocities" are you talking about?

Exactly.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Hamas has pledged to commit genocide against the Jews. They started this recent round of fighting with an orgy of rape, murder, and hostage taking. They're only playing the victim now because they're losing the war they started.

"Both sides" narratives always help bad actors. This is true whether they're deployed with the Democrats and the Republicans or Israel and Hamas.

Hamas could end this war immediately by surrendering and releasing the remaining hostages.

Rape Orgy?

*perqs*

Pics please!

 

[Cat]

Hamas has pledged to commit genocide against the Jews. They started this recent round of fighting with an orgy of rape, murder, and hostage taking. They're only playing the victim now because they're losing the war they started.

"Both sides" narratives always help bad actors. This is true whether they're deployed with the Democrats and the Republicans or Israel and Hamas.

Hamas could end this war immediately by surrendering and releasing the remaining hostages.

I am not refuting anything.

Just merely asking, who had the power from the beginning?
Do you remember the names and faces of all the innocents on both sides?

You seem to put emphasis on numbers, calling the horrifying indecent an orgy.
- I am not disagreeing, that was absolutely horrendous.

It is simply me wondering; are some innocent lives worth less than others? Otherwise, the sheer number of killings and the level of destruction would be completely out of proportions.

So, that is the only way I can see this justified; some people are less worth than others.

Before you start to attack me:
Who is fighting with their backs against a wall. Who is suppressed. Who lost their freedom. Who is in actual danger of hunger and ethnic cleansing.
And who got unlimited military power?

 

[RobDownSouth]

A MUSLIM BLOGGER
OK
Thx for the source

Nope. The author of the article is Roman Catholic.
He has also won the George Polk award for radio documentary in 1998 for reporting on Chevron's killing of Nigerian nationals.
He's legit, and your pathetic attempt to "shoot the messenger" is unserious.

He was on the staff of the investigative website The Intercept until July 2024.

Hey, speaking of The Intercept, didja happen to see what one of their leading stories was today?

Israel Leveled Gaza — Then Killed the Drone Journalists Who Showed it to the World
Only drones can begin to capture the scale of destruction in the Gaza Strip. The journalists doing it were targeted again and again.​

Israel strongman Benjamin Netanyahu took a page from American strongman Donald J. Trump and banned non-Israeli journalists from Gaza (better to 'control the optics' that way).

Crafty journalists got around this prohibition by hiring drone operators to fly drones over areas of Israeli carnage to show the world the result of the Israeli atrocities. Four foreign drone pilots were killed while remotely piloting drones.

After Israel announced it's "*wink *nudge ceasefire" , an Arabic news agency hired a former Associated Press stringer named Mahmoud al-Basos to fly a camera drone over the decimated Gazan hellscape as part of a tribute to the four drone operators killed during the Israeli genocide. 'Ceasefire' or not, Israel, who famously lack impulse control as a people, could not resist the temptation to drop one final ton of aerial ordinance on the building from which al-Basos was piloting his drone.

Al-Basos and his civilians neighbors all perished in the blast.

Israel has no honor.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I am not refuting anything.

Just merely asking, who had the power from the beginning?
Do you remember the names and faces of all the innocents on both sides?

You seem to put emphasis on numbers, calling the horrifying indecent an orgy.
- I am not disagreeing, that was absolutely horrendous.

It is simply me wondering; are some innocent lives worth less than others? Otherwise, the sheer number of killings and the level of destruction would be completely out of proportions.

So, that is the only way I can see this justified; some people are less worth than others.

Before you start to attack me:
Who is fighting with their backs against a wall. Who is suppressed. Who lost their freedom. Who is in actual danger of hunger and ethnic cleansing.
And who got unlimited military power?

Israel is badly outnumbered in the middle east and surrounded by hostile neighbors who have been trying to destroy it for almost 80 years. Gaza is kept in misery by the enemies of Israel so they can use it as a tool to commit genocide.

What would you consider an appropriate response to October 7th? Dozens of innocent hostages are still being held captive. Should Israel fight to get its citizens back or abandon them to starvation and torture?

 

[LLCox]

Israeli surveillance craft

 

[Lance_Castro]

I’m starting to think the Rape Orgy pics are a trick.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I’m starting to think

Link?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Rape Orgy?

*perqs*

Pics please!

Unfortunately, Hamas did record themselves committing atrocities on October 7th. They were proud of hurting Jews and like the Nazis wanted posterity to remember their actions.

 

[Cat]

Israel is badly outnumbered in the middle east and surrounded by hostile neighbors who have been trying to destroy it for almost 80 years. Gaza is kept in misery by the enemies of Israel so they can use it as a tool to commit genocide.

Well, I am no expert.. but, maybe you just hit the head on the nail there.

Israel is a newly constructed country. It did not exist 80 years ago, back then - that country was someone else's home. Someone had lived there for generations, having deep ties with the surrounding counties.. please pay attention here: I am not claiming that it was a peaceful place, I am not claiming anything other than: it was someone else's home!

Then it is decided, around a table, far from the land that is going to become Israel. - That piece of land got annexed and given a new name.

That might be the seed to the problems we see today, maybe?

But, Israel being a proud project from USA, was able to stand firmly, and deaf against all objections.
Who needs to cooperate and listen to others, when you yourself have been hunted, killed, massacred. No, with big brother USA, they were given the opportunity to never become the victim again.

No matter what, they had the right to survive.

No matter who lived on the land before them..

If you have been the subject of Holocaust, then you could never do anything wrong.

(Holocaust was truly a nightmare on earth!)

What would you consider an appropriate response to October 7th? Dozens of innocent hostages are still being held captive? Should Israel fight to get its citizens back or abandon them to starvation and torture?

I am sure that there are diplomatic relations that have yet to be explored.

There are hardly any government in that region, that is unaware of how far Israel and USA are willing to go, and how little they value other people's lives.

If Israel wanted to have the upper hand in the peace negotiations.. They already have it.

I merely hope that Israel sincerely want peace, and not aim to kill every possible threat, perceived or real.

Everyone got the right to live. Again, you are emphasising the numbers and the hostages.
What about the Palestinians? The numbers does not match.. the destruction does not match. It is not an appropriate measure to starve the people as a whole.

Israel should have known better.

 

[Lazaran]

I strongly disagree. These were first-hand accounts by American doctors identified by name, not some "anonymous sources say.." or "some people feel" propaganda that is promulgated by both sides. I sincerely doubt they would publicly put their lives on the line to further one side's propaganda, regardless of who publishes the news.

Foreigners who speak "on the record" against the murderous Israeli regime often find themselves declared "enemies of the state" by Israel. I'm aware of two foreign (non-American) journalists who were killed by Israeli snipers last year as a result of their reporting. Israel as a country has no honor anymore.

I admire doctors who put their lives on the line, putting their "boots on the ground" so to speak, to combat the volume of Israeli atrocities on Gazan soil.

Sorry, Rob.

ANY doctor who is allowed into Gaza has obviously been vetted by Hamas and is undoubtedly / unquestionably sympathetic to Hamas / "Palestine". (if not outright supportive of / complicit with Hamas.)

That ^ goes double for ANY reporters allowed into Gaza or those outside of Gaza promoting the Hamas narrative. (Al-Jazeera, etc).

There may be isolated incidents of lone wolf Israeli soldiers shooting children in Gaza, but that has occurred in every conflict. Suggesting that the shooting of children in Gaza by Israeli soldiers is a standing order sanctioned by the Israeli government is close to blood libel. (Not to mention, the 10/7 attack WAS a coordinated effort by Hamas, etc against Israeli women and children, so…)



Side note:

The truly damning reporting on Israel (Netanyahu, actually) is the revelation that Netanyahu resumed the war on the exact day that a hearing was scheduled for his corruption trial.

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/3...in_corruption_trial_amid_renewed_gaza_assault

That ^ is UNDENIABLE, and it CAN be condemned without reservation: A standing order (or tacit government approval) for Israeli soldiers to shoot children in Gaza??? Not so much.

Ultimately, BSG is correct. The fact that Hamas instantly reconstituted once the ceasefire was announced, "retook" control of Gaza, and began the hostage negotiation game again, indicated / indicates that the work of defeating Hamas isn’t done. In a way, Hamas reconstituting so quickly and publicly contributed to what is happening in Gaza today. (It definitely provided Netanyahu, etc with plausible justification for renewing attacks on Gaza and created the conditions for children in Gaza occasionally getting shot.) Ironic…





It is what it is.

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Cat]

Unfortunately, Hamas did record themselves committing atrocities on October 7th. They were proud of hurting Jews and like the Nazis wanted posterity to remember their actions.

And there you lost my respect.

Sorry, but using the words like that, and making that comparison.

You clearly have lost sense of all proportions.

/I am out.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And there you lost my respect.

Sorry, but using the words like that, and making that comparison.

You clearly have lost sense of all proportions.

/I am out.

Hamas has been quite upfront about their intent to commit genocide against the Jews. Wiping Israel off the map is their stated goal.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Hamas has quite upfront about their intent to commit genocide against the Jews. Wiping Israel off the map is their stated goal.

What's the stated goal of Israel regarding Palestine?

 

[DeluxAuto]

Well, I am no expert.. but, maybe you just hit the head on the nail there.

Israel is a newly constructed country. It did not exist 80 years ago, back then - that country was someone else's home. Someone had lived there for generations, having deep ties with the surrounding counties.. please pay attention here: I am not claiming that it was a peaceful place, I am not claiming anything other than: it was someone else's home!

Then it is decided, around a table, far from the land that is going to become Israel. - That piece of land got annexed and given a new name.

That might be the seed to the problems we see today, maybe?

But, Israel being a proud project from USA, was able to stand firmly, and deaf against all objections.
Who needs to cooperate and listen to others, when you yourself have been hunted, killed, massacred. No, with big brother USA, they were given the opportunity to never become the victim again.

No matter what, they had the right to survive.

No matter who lived on the land before them..

If you have been the subject of Holocaust, then you could never do anything wrong.

(Holocaust was truly a nightmare on earth!)



I am sure that there are diplomatic relations that have yet to be explored.

There are hardly any government in that region, that is unaware of how far Israel and USA are willing to go, and how little they value other people's lives.

If Israel wanted to have the upper hand in the peace negotiations.. They already have it.

I merely hope that Israel sincerely want peace, and not aim to kill every possible threat, perceived or real.

Everyone got the right to live. Again, you are emphasising the numbers and the hostages.
What about the Palestinians? The numbers does not match.. the destruction does not match. It is not an appropriate measure to starve the people as a whole.

Israel should have known better.

Hypocrisy at its finest. Well done, Cat

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Sorry, Rob.

ANY doctor who is allowed into Gaza has obvious been vetted by Hamas and is undoubtedly / unquestionably sympathetic to Hamas / "Palestine" if not outright supportive of / complicit with Hamas.

That ^ goes double for ANY reporters allowed into Gaza or those outside of Gaza promoting the Hamas narrative. (Al-Jazeera, etc).

There may be isolated incidents of lone wolf Israeli soldiers shooting children in Gaza, but that has occurred in every conflict. Suggesting that the shooting of children in Gaza by Israeli soldiers is a standing order sanctioned by the Israeli government is close to blood libel. (Not to mention, the 10/7 attack WAS a coordinated effort by Hamas, etc against Israeli women and children, so…)



Side note:

The truly damning reporting on Israel (Netanyahu, actually) is the revelation that Netanyahu resumed the war on the exact day that a hearing was scheduled for his corruption trial.

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/3...in_corruption_trial_amid_renewed_gaza_assault

That ^ is UNDENIABLE, and it CAN be condemned without reservation: A standing order (or tacit government approval) for Israeli soldiers to shoot children in Gaza??? Not so much.

Ultimately, BSG is correct. The fact that Hamas instantly reconstituted once the ceasefire was announced, "retook" control of Gaza, and began the hostage negotiation game again, indicated / indicates that the work of defeating Hamas isn’t done. In a way, Hamas reconstituting so quickly and publicly contributed to what is happening in Gaza today. (It definitely provided Netanyahu, etc with plausible justification for renewing attacks on Gaza and created the conditions for children in Gaza occasionally getting shot.) Ironic…





It is what it is.

We. Told. Them. So.

Thank you!

There is a glimmer of hope in the recent protests in Gaza that the people who live there might finally be sick of the endless drumbeat of "death to the Jews" from the radical Islamists.

 

[Cat]

Hamas has quite upfront about their intent to commit genocide against the Jews. Wiping Israel off the map is their stated goal.

That might very well be, but that does not make them Nazi.
- You are using words, that you clearly got no understanding of.

/And who is committing actual genocide as we talk?

Sorry, this is a waste of our time. You will never change your ways of thinking, and I cannot meet you halfway. I tried. I really did.
Thanks for debating with me.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Well, I am no expert.. but, maybe you just hit the head on the nail there.

Israel is a newly constructed country. It did not exist 80 years ago, back then - that country was someone else's home. Someone had lived there for generations, having deep ties with the surrounding counties.. please pay attention here: I am not claiming that it was a peaceful place, I am not claiming anything other than: it was someone else's home!

Then it is decided, around a table, far from the land that is going to become Israel. - That piece of land got annexed and given a new name.

That might be the seed to the problems we see today, maybe?

But, Israel being a proud project from USA, was able to stand firmly, and deaf against all objections.
Who needs to cooperate and listen to others, when you yourself have been hunted, killed, massacred. No, with big brother USA, they were given the opportunity to never become the victim again.

No matter what, they had the right to survive.

No matter who lived on the land before them..

If you have been the subject of Holocaust, then you could never do anything wrong.

(Holocaust was truly a nightmare on earth!)



I am sure that there are diplomatic relations that have yet to be explored.

There are hardly any government in that region, that is unaware of how far Israel and USA are willing to go, and how little they value other people's lives.

If Israel wanted to have the upper hand in the peace negotiations.. They already have it.

I merely hope that Israel sincerely want peace, and not aim to kill every possible threat, perceived or real.

Everyone got the right to live. Again, you are emphasising the numbers and the hostages.
What about the Palestinians? The numbers does not match.. the destruction does not match. It is not an appropriate measure to starve the people as a whole.

Israel should have known better.

Jews have lived continuously in Israel for 1000s of years. Even during the British Mandate, the Jews who lived in Palestine (as the British called it) referred to it as "Eretz Yisrael" or "the nation of Israel". The idea that the Jews invaded and stole Palestine from its indigenous people is a complete inversion of what actually happened. The Arabs invaded and built a mosque on top of the ruins of the old Jewish temple. For centuries the Jews suffered under their dominion until in 1948 the Jews took the opportunity presented by the collapse of the British empire to regain their independence. The founding of modern Israel is much like the founding of modern India--an ancient nation being reborn out of the wreckage of colonial collapse.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

That might very well be, but that does not make them Nazi.
- You are using words, that you clearly got no understanding of.

/And who is committing actual genocide as we talk?

Sorry, this is a waste of our time. You will never change your ways of thinking, and I cannot meet you halfway. I tried. I really did.
Thanks for debating with me.

I didn't say Hamas were Nazis. I said that like the Nazis they were proud of killing Jews and wanted to document it.

There is no genocide being committed in Gaza. If you think there is you don't understand what "genocide" means.

I'm enjoying our conversation. I consider these sorts of debates a mitzvah.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

What's the stated goal of Israel regarding Palestine?

The goal of Israel is to secure the safety of the Jews within their ancestral homeland. If the Arabs would stop trying to commit genocide there could be peace in the Middle East.

 

[Lazaran]

Jews have lived continuously in Israel for 1000s of years. Even during the British Mandate, the Jews who lived in Palestine (as the British called it) referred to it as "Eretz Yisrael" or "the nation of Israel". The idea that the Jews invaded and stole Palestine from its indigenous people is a complete inversion of what actually happened. The Arabs invaded and built a mosque on top of the ruins of the old Jewish temple. For centuries the Jews suffered under their dominion until in 1948 the Jews took the opportunity presented by the collapse of the British empire to regain their independence. The founding of modern Israel is much like the founding of modern India--an ancient nation being reborn out of the wreckage of colonial collapse.

Yeah, the Arabs / Muslims building a mosque on top of the ruins of the old Jewish temple always struck me as a total dick move.

It’s like renaming Denali or the Gulf of Mexico.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[DeluxAuto]

The goal of Israel is to secure the safety of the Jews within their ancestral homeland. If the Arabs would stop trying to commit genocide there could be peace in the Middle East.

Did that come from the Israeli prime minister or what you wish he said?

There are no Arabs committing genocide (see how that works?)

Arabs are not Hamas. Neither is Palestine.

Israel is taking out Palestine civilians at will.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Did that come from the Israeli prime minister or what you wish he said?

There are no Arabs committing genocide (see how that works?)

Arabs are not Hamas. Neither is Palestine.

Israel is taking out Palestine civilians at will.

Genocide is the eradication of a people. Israel has not come anywhere close to eradicating the people of Gaza. The number of Gazans has been steady growing for decades. There are Arabs who want to eradicate the people of Israel and replace them with Arabs. "From the river to the sea" is a statement of genocidal intent. Arabs have repeatedly acted on this intent over the last 80 years. Fortunately, the Jews have fought back.