It's a sad day....

[BlackSnake]

Lucifer,

The US news has over shadowed the US goal of getting to Al-Queda, with stories of liberating women from the terronany of their culture.

I do not believe that is a good use of the US Military. The UN is there to fight for human rights in the world. Oh, wait. They've been non-effective, haven't they. Still, the risk of interfering with cultures during military campaigns is very high, and should be avoided.

I wouldn't make a threat I did not intend to keep. The US will not use nuclear arms against any nation, unless that nation could not be stopped from using them against the US or its strongest allies.

Threats are always a bad idea. Promises made and kept are always great ideas.

 

[rgraham666]

Threats are always a bad idea. Promises made and kept are always great ideas.

And the difference between the two is?

 

[BlackSnake]

I vehemently agree. I just wish we did that.

Al-Queda is smirking still on TV still from Pakistan where he's been since 9/11. The Klan still meets and smirks and plays on Southern racism. Anti-semites like Gordon Kahl get huge vigils and Jew killing campaigns as memorials in the midwest, Timothy McVeigh was cited as a hero by right-wing survivalist fuckwits and street gangs are feared too much by the cops and the communities to ever get broken up.

It seems though when given a tough problem, our government is more willing to offer a false balm than a true cure. Al-Queda is hard to find, bomb Iraq. Klan is decentralized, declare victory over racism. Call Gordon Kahl and Timothy McVeigh isolated incidents. Create tough anti-crime bills that don't really address or lead to increased arrests of gang members.

It's all quite a bit depressing.

It's very depressing. But, I've done a small amount of traveling in the far east and Europe while in the service. There is no other place on earth I'd rather live.

 

[BlackSnake]

And the difference between the two is?

If you are called on a threat and you don't deliver, you will be tried by many others. If you make a promise and you keep it, at the very least, many will know that your word means something.

Viva Bush.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Lucifer,

The US news has over shadowed the US goal of getting to Al-Queda, with stories of liberating women from the terronany of their culture.

I do not believe that is a good use of the US Military. The UN is there to fight for human rights in the world. Oh, wait. They've been non-effective, haven't they. Still, the risk of interfering with cultures during military campaigns is very high, and should be avoided.

I wouldn't make a threat I did not intend to keep. The US will not use nuclear arms against any nation, unless that nation could not be stopped from using them against the US or its strongest allies.

Threats are always a bad idea. Promises made and kept are always great ideas.

Actually there are separate groups for protection of human rights and UN has had reasonable success in that field. In truth though their field is more in preventing wars than in liberating oppressed minorities.

My threat was in the case that Pakistan nukes India or our troops. In other words, a nuclear action initiated by a foreign power. So, in conmplete agreement with your point.

I'm surprised though with the wide breadth of difference though in this post and your support for the war in Iraq. We are interfering with culture, trying to impose a radical cultural transformation in a country that has the most important Islamic city. The Islamic world really hated Saddam having it. Us in it is going to incite a much more drastic and widespread version of what we've been seeing in Iraq and al-Queda. I for one do not feel safer about that.

With the lack of al-Queda support or WMDs, we did go into Iraq to liberate the people as you dislike. It sounds good on paper but it's going to hurt because of the unintended backlash. It would have been better in my opinion to crack down and eliminate al-Queda and also cut off the support from the Suadi royals and the Islamic Jihad.

On threats, promises are good in some cases. Ideally we should have held a consortium and kept the promises made to Islamic leaders there. I think though that some situations require threats as well as promises. Especially to yell at them for actions that lead to 9/11. Make sure that they know that we will not tolerate such actions again from them even though we are their allies. It is a similar principle to rubbing a dog's nose in the widdle he made in the carpet.

Eh, but really who gives a shit? It's too late for that to work now that we seem to be in the business of cultural makeovers. All we can do is hope that they don't blow up a building we live in or good friends or family members live in and watch as we continually see democracy fail to take root in the ME.

I'm becoming a hopeless nihilist over this politics shit.

 

[BlackSnake]

Actually, I believe we are in a good position now with the re-election of President Bush.

New agendas can be formed. US contractor to Iraq should be removed. Hold stead fastly an area of safety around our troops and those of our allies. Give the new Iraqi government a time table and remove our troops.

In the face of combat, warn the people of the area to leave and begin the business of creating parking lots.

State no vehicle movements and destroy any non compliance. Soon they will begin using children as boomers. I've already seen them in protests.

Only Iraqis can govern Iraq.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I want my leaders to sweep the world of all those who oppose my home and my people, without mercy.

*SNIP*

I think we should continue into other countries and iraticate any who show hate for my beloved country.

*SNIP*

God bless America and send its foes to hell

Has it ever occurred to you to wonder WHY people dislike America..?

 

[BlackSnake]

Has it ever occurred to you to wonder WHY people dislike America..?

It matters little to me when they attack my fellow Americans.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

It matters little to me when they attack my fellow Americans.

“Let them hate me so long as they fear me."

Yeah, that worked out well for Caligula, din’it!

 

[Svenskaflicka]

It matters little to me when they attack my fellow Americans.

Well, actually it DOES matter, B. You're in a treadmill of hatred and terrorism right now. They do something to you, you do something to them, they do something back, you do something back...

The way to end the circle is not by wiping out every last one who doesn't agree with you, but to find out what it is they hate so much about you, and then try to reason with each other.

Not as sweet and macho as revenge and mass murder, it's true, but much cheaper and waaaaaaaaaay much more effective!

 

[BlackSnake]

Well, actually it DOES matter, B. You're in a treadmill of hatred and terrorism right now. They do something to you, you do something to them, they do something back, you do something back...

The way to end the circle is not by wiping out every last one who doesn't agree with you, but to find out what it is they hate so much about you, and then try to reason with each other.

Not as sweet and macho as revenge and mass murder, it's true, but much cheaper and waaaaaaaaaay much more effective!

They drew the first blood on my home land. Strike back, and keep striking until there is nothing to strike at. Accept no surrender. Wipe them from the face of the earth.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

They drew the first blood on my home land. Strike back, and keep striking until there is nothing to strike at. Accept no surrender. Whip them from the face of the earth.

...and what happened BEFORE 9/11?

 

[BlackSnake]

...and what happened BEFORE 9/11?

I had hopes for different ways of gaining world peace, which I my view did not include the use of military action.

 

[BlackSnake]

“Let them hate me so long as they fear me."

Yeah, that worked out well for Caligula, din’it!

I don't want them to fear, I want them to die under extreme heat and flames as so many of my countrymen did.

edited to add: I don't give a shit about Roman History. And the first time I saw the movie it made me sick.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

I don't want them to fear, I want them to die under extreme heat and flames as so many of my countrymen did.
edited to add: I don't give a shit about Roman History. And the first time I saw the movie it made me sick.

Other than yourself, your twisted version of patriotism, and TALKING about inflicting pain and death upon others, is there ANYTHING you DO love?

Or are you BETTER than all that?

 

[BlackSnake]

Other than yourself, your twisted version of patriotism, and TALKING about inflicting pain and death upon others, is there ANYTHING you DO love?

Or are you BETTER than all that?

I'm sorry, I did not realize that I had a twisted version of patriotism. I believe that as long as there a terrorist who target the US, the US should go after them.

I don't want them captured, because I don't was a dime of my tax money to go towards their safeguard. I believe the soldier who first laid eyes on Sadam, should be kicked in the ass for not filling him full of wholes. The SOB is getting better health care than some US tax payers.

I love a lot and very passionately. I don't hate, not even terrorist. I'd still like them to be burned alive use jet fuel. Every last one of them.

 

[rgraham666]

I don't want them to fear, I want them to die under extreme heat and flames as so many of my countrymen did.

edited to add: I don't give a shit about Roman History. And the first time I saw the movie it made me sick.

A culture which ignores history has no past, and no future.

Robert A. Heinlein

And who exactly is this 'them' you keep talking about?

War is like fire. Those who do not put aside weapons are consumed by them.

Sun Tzu

 

[shereads]

It matters little to me when they attack my fellow Americans.

That's the same narrow thinking that rascists used to use to justify lynchings.

As a fellow American, I have a request: If I'm killed by saudi terrorists, don't respond by killing thousands of innocent people who happen to dress the same way. That doesn't bring justice about; it just multiplies the number of stupid murders. If you do decide to kill them, on the assumptioin that some of them might have become terrorists if they had lived, or that there might be a terrorist hiding among them, or just because it makes you feel better, be honest.

Honest: "I'm killng these ragheads because they look like the ones who attacked Americans."

Dishonest: "I'm accidentally killing these freedom-loving Iraqis because they got in the way when I brought them democracy."

 

[Svenskaflicka]

That reminds me of the first years of White American History, when Columbus left an army to maintain order in the new-found land while he sailed back to Spain to brag about his discovery. The army he left behind behaved very badly towards the Indians, and trated them like slaves, the women like hookers, etc. Finally, after much abuse, the Indians, who were a proud people, got fed up with this, and killed 5 of the worst soldiers.
When Columbus returned and was told about this, he showed everyone an example by killing around 100 Indians.

When you say "step on my foot and I'll take away your leg", B, you remind me of Columbus, and his way of reasoning that any part of one side is worth so much more than the other, that the other deserves a much worse punishment than what their original crime was.

The way you're phrasing yourself, B, hints that an American is worth more than an Arabian.

You will never find me agreeing with you there.

 

[Somme]

Ooh! More than one source of !

Hello, Somme. Would you please tell cantdog to get some sleep? He's submitting to pointless brain-torture in the "Mourning" thread. He deserves better. I need some sleep too. Thank you for the props and high-fives. You're looking well, btw.

off to yer cot, cant............need yer beauty sleep.

she knows best.........