John Huntsman is about the only Republican on stage that isn't a vacuous black hole

Yep, to elicit reactions for my own personal amusement. I do not expect to change the minds of the terminally naive, nor do I expect any serious consideration by liberals of what I have to say. Lol.

And yet, you have claimed numerous times that you are here to change liberals minds...

and also to get them off by stroking their cocks; "lib tosser".
 
How did he ruin the country?


i disagree with your implied assertion that o'bama did.

not that he's helped much. he's too close to a republican.

i'll take cheney at his word. bush knew baseball. not being an executive.

we got into a trumped up war.

we lowered taxes.

we squandered a surplus.

and we turned significant parts of the constitution into toilet paper.

not that obama has redeemed things.
 
i disagree with your implied assertion that o'bama did.

not that he's helped much. he's too close to a republican.

i'll take cheney at his word. bush knew baseball. not being an executive.

we got into a trumped up war.

we lowered taxes.

we squandered a surplus.

and we turned significant parts of the constitution into toilet paper.

not that obama has redeemed things.

This.
 
I watched about a third of it. Huntsman is a wimp. He's knowledgeable about several things. He would make a very good ambassador to China. He actually comes across as a Democrat, which may be why the OP likes him. He's toast.

I always like Ron Paul, but now that he's starting to pander, it's over for him, too.

My bone remains rigid for Bachmann. However, sadly, she's done. More time at home with her gay husband and 117 kids.

The other little mice who aren't Perry or Romney barely registered. This is their practice run, and everyone knows it including them.

It's all Perry and Romney from this point out. If Romney wins, he needs Cain as his running mate to stand a chance in the general. That buys them the right of the Repo party that he can't seduce on his own, financial cred from the center, and a bad/good choice to make from the racially progressive left: the quasi-black president who has mostly ignored them and certainly not improved anything for them, or the former preacher who seems to tell it straight and made himself a millionaire the old fashioned way, staying "black" the whole time. Not to mention, Romney's Mormon, and needs someone WAY Christian to stand a chance of overcoming that disability.

If Perry wins...who does he choose? You can't be far-right and condone the center via a Rino running mate. Winning the nomination will be incorrectly (or rather, strategically disastrously) read as a mandate on the tea party. So he'll choose another bagger. That gives him no chance in the general.

My guess is that the Demos-behind-the-scenes are suddenly Perry's BFFs. Tomorrow's post-mortems will reveal who they most want to run against. Whoever they say nice things about is in trouble. Whoever they dismiss as unprepared for the national stage, is being set up for the kill.
 
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MODERATOR: You say new scientific agencies are changing their mind and questioning climate change science every week or every day. Which ones have you seen do that?

RICK PERRY: *crickets chirping*



The moderators engaged in a bizarre, insistent demand that Rick Perry name some climate scientists to prove he’s qualified to criticize the global warming fraud (a demand that will, curiously enough, never be made of global warming true believers) ... I expected them to ask him what newspapers and magazines he reads next.

Newt Gingrich pegged them when he said ...“frankly not interested in your efforts to get Republicans fighting each other ... when the focus of the evening should be a competition to best diagnose and treat the symptoms of chronic Obama failure.
 
The moderators engaged in a bizarre, insistent demand that Rick Perry name some climate scientists to prove he’s qualified to criticize the global warming fraud (a demand that will, curiously enough, never be made of global warming true believers) ... I expected them to ask him what newspapers and magazines he reads next.

Newt Gingrich pegged them when he said ...“frankly not interested in your efforts to get Republicans fighting each other ... when the focus of the evening should be a competition to best diagnose and treat the symptoms of chronic Obama failure.

In other words, Perry made a wild claim and the moderator isn't allowed to ask him to back it up? Kinda like the bullshit you spew with no evidence? Doesn't surprise me that you disapproved.
 
The best critique of the morning ...


Gingrich’s answers displayed confident mastery of facts and policy details. He also showed real leadership in the way he interacted with other debate participants. Whatever the fate of his campaign, he had a good night tonight.

Herman Cain was also excellent, largely shaking the unfortunate impression of trying to bluff his way through a foreign-policy test he didn’t really study for. He had a Big Idea to promote: his “9-9-9” tax reform plan, which calls for a flat tax of 9% on both business and personal income, plus a 9% sales tax. He’s been a proponent of the “Fair Tax” (a straight national sales tax replacing all others) in the past. In response to a question about certain corporations legally evading taxation altogether, while others pay high rates, Cain made the excellent point that a plan like his would prevent the government from choosing “winners and losers.” Cain displayed a thorough understanding of why it’s crucial to strip the government of that power and arrogance.

Michele Bachmann was serene and focused, with tight and punchy policy-oriented answers to every question that came her way. She didn’t seem to burn as hot on the debate stage as during previous appearances. It felt like she was receding into the background – although she was, once again, strong and sharp on the importance of repealing ObamaCare.

Jon Huntsman spent a lot of time early in the debate singing hosannas to states’ rights, then flushed it all down the global-warming toilet during the last few minutes. He also made an appalling comment about the importance of “nation-building in the United States.” He couldn’t be more wrong-headed. The last thing we need is more central planners treating us like a laboratory experiment. This arrogant government needs to step away, and let a nation of builders get back to work. Huntsman also had a talking point about rebuilding America’s “core,” which he repeated several times. He even maintained servicing our “core” would improve our relations with China. He didn’t really expound on the theme, but it sounds like a pilates program designed to give Uncle Sam killer abs.

Ron Paul spent the evening falling into various moderator traps designed to make him look like a circus act, from weird rants about air conditioners for Iraq to drug legalization. His positions aren’t entirely wrong or illogical, but they’re far too theoretical, a word he actually used during his first answer. This is the problem with Paul’s strong-form libertarianism: he sounds like he’s designing a laboratory experiment that not even the most desperate grad student would sign up for.

Rick Santorum made a graceful last hurrah, as the rationale for his candidacy dissolved around him. He delivered a nice line about coming from an “industrial-strength state,” and he displayed strong flashes of both charm and insight. He gave the impression of a man learning many useful lessons for his next campaign.

Overall, Perry, Gingrich, and Cain left the strongest impressions with me. Perry joked about serving as a piñata for the other candidates. He didn’t burst, but he bounced around a bit more than he probably wanted to.



One thing is certain about tonight’s debate: Steve King of CNN doesn’t have to worry about being chided as the worst moderator of the primary season any more. Brian Williams of NBC and John Harris of Politico were comically awful, asking so many loaded questions that a bomb squad should have been called in. Besides the bizarre global-warming hectoring, their low point was asking Perry how he can sleep at night after authorizing so many executions. They looked rather taken aback when their grim tally of Texas executions drew applause from the crowd.


MSNBC also saw fit to overshadow the current candidates with a Reagan montage… set to the gloomy tinkling piano of “Bittersweet Symphony.”

None of this is surprising – it’s what you get when you let partisans with press credentials run your debate – and perhaps it’s even useful, as it conditions candidates for the media treatment they’ll get in the general election.

It’s still jarring to be reminded of just how far we remain from anything resembling “objective” media. It will be fun watching them try to defend the Obama record.

I’m sure they’ll get around to asking him how he sleeps at night after executing so many jobs.
 
Newt showed why Huntsman will not be elected by the majority of Republicans for when the biased moderators wanted to have a candidate pie fight, Huntsman was all about that, he came loaded for bear to attack his fellows, a salient feature of the Democrat party in the Bush years, more wiling to attack us than the enemy, a trait that remains to this day, so of, course, Merc loved that, but Newt turned it on the moderators and back into an us against you, us against Obama debate and that was one of the best moments of the debate for his fellows followed his example and refocused on Obama, and well, that's why we elect a President, to fucking lead from the front.

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"It concerns me that civility, humanity, and respect are sometimes lost in our interactions as Americans. Our political debates today are corrosive and not reflective of the belief that Abe Lincoln espoused. I don't think you need to run down someone's reputation in order to run for the office of president. I respect the President of the United States. He and I have a difference of opinion on how to help a country we both love, but the question each of us wants the voters to answer is "Who will be the better president?" not who's the better American."
John Huntsman
The "I'm Reagan Reborn" Candidacy Speech

"The Carter record is a litany of despair, of broken promises, of sacred trusts abandoned and forgotten. His answer to all this misery? He tries to tell us that we're only in a recession, not a depression -- as if definitions -- words -- relieve our suffering. Let it show on the record that when the American people cried out for economic help, Jimmy Carter took refuge behind a dictionary. Well, if it's a definition he wants, I'll give him one: A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his!"
Ronald Reagan
 
I agree Meemei, I was finally giving Huntsman some credibility until the closing moments of the debate when it became clear that he was another big government Republican.
 
when the biased moderators wanted to have a candidate pie fight, Huntsman was all about that, he came loaded for bear to attack his fellows, a salient feature of the Democrat party in the Bush years, more wiling to attack us than the enemy, a trait that remains to this day

Yeah, good job no-one mentioned John McCain's illegitimate black baby, huh?
 
Did you notice the two Democrat shills from NBC trying their best to undermine the Republican candidates? Asking Rick Perry how he sleeps at night with all of the executions in the state, etc.

Michelle Malkin wants to know why the Democrats don't hold the debate in the FBI building moderated by her and Rush Limbaugh.

ROTFLMAO. You just proved you don't even read the shit your fellow arseholes post. Too funny.
 
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