Justice Dept grants immunity to staffer who set up Clinton email server...

[toubab]

As clueless about classified intelligence gathering and transmittal as you are about a host of other things I see.

regardless, it was not and is not illegal for the Sec. of State to use a private email account. If the Rethuglicans were really concerned about national security and not just political assassination they wouldn't be concerned about information that has been UPGRADED to classified or sensitive after the fact. Their concern would be information that WAS CLASSIFIED at the time it was transmitted. So far they have ZERO.

The same sort of things were found in both Condi Rice's and Colin Powell's email accounts (classified after the fact) and neither of them are being threatened by the GOP show trial. Why is that?

Because Republican.

You have no idea who you're talking to, dumbass, or what you're talking about. I was responsible for gathering intelligence overseas and sending it back to the US, often in code. Top secret information. I know exactly how it's done, and how it should be done and how it should not be done. People risk their lives to do intelligence work, and they deserve better than this kind of shit. It's incredibly irresponsible and dangerous to our people.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You have no idea who you're talking to, dumbass, or what you're talking about. I was responsible for gathering intelligence overseas and sending it back to the US, often in code. Top secret information. I know exactly how it's done, and how it should be done and how it should not be done. People risk their lives to do intelligence work, and they deserve better than this kind of shit. It's incredibly irresponsible and dangerous to our people.

I know exactly who I'm talking to, dumb-ass. IF you were transmitting "Top Secret" intelligence data, unmarked, then you were violating protocol for transmission of sensitive data. Data such as that should ALWAYS be marked, even if encoded. E.O. 13526 specifies that information whose release would cause “exceptionally grave damage to the national security” is classified TOP SECRET. The Federal Government's current system of marking and controlling security-classified information dates from World War II.

Personally, I think you're just blowing smoke and haven't seen anything labeled Top Secret, ever other than on television.

As you said, people risk their lives to gather that intelligence, it would be not only ill advised, but against protocol for you to transmit it unlabeled regardless if it's encrypted or not.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Apples and Oranges..

Clinton's "crimes" vs Petraeus'....

Petraeus could have been indicted for a number of individual crimes. He was allowed to plead down to a mishandling charge. Comparing this to insufficiently protecting information that appears not to have even been explicitly classified at the time is silly.

 

[toubab]

I know exactly who I'm talking to, dumb-ass. IF you were transmitting "Top Secret" intelligence data, unmarked, then you were violating protocol for transmission of sensitive data. Data such as that should ALWAYS be marked, even if encoded. E.O. 13526 specifies that information whose release would cause “exceptionally grave damage to the national security” is classified TOP SECRET. The Federal Government's current system of marking and controlling security-classified information dates from World War II.

Personally, I think you're just blowing smoke and haven't seen anything labeled Top Secret, ever other than on television.

As you said, people risk their lives to gather that intelligence, it would be not only ill advised, but against protocol for you to transmit it unlabeled regardless if it's encrypted or not.

No, idiot, it was my job to gather the information, translate it, put it in code, and send it back to the US. It was not my job to classify it, so I didn't mark it "classified" in any way, "Top Secret" or otherwise. I knew some of it was highly sensitive, and some less sensitive. There was a reason I had a Top Secret/Cryptographic security clearance, fool.

 

[toubab]

Apples and Oranges..

Ckinton's "crimes" vs Petraeus'....

Petraeus could have been indicted for a number of individual crimes. He was allowed to plead down to a mishandling charge. Comparing this to insufficiently protecting information that appears not to have even been explicitly classified at the time is silly.

Fuck politics. You're the one being political. I'm concerned about national security implications, and the lives of our operatives overseas.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Fuck politics. You're the one being political. I'm concerned about national security implications, and the lives of our operatives overseas.

There is no indication that any of Clinton's emails were leaked, endangered national security (certainly not more than Petraeus did) or endangered the lives of any operatives stateside or overseas.

In fact, the investigation has yet to find information that was classified at the time it was sent (only after the fact). If they had found this "smoking gun" then this conversation wouldn't be happening, because Hillary would have been indicted long ago.

Clinton is guilty of nothing more than Condi rice and Colin Powell are, using an unofficial email account which contained information that was determined to be sensitive after the fact. All are guilty of much less than is Petraeus is guilty of considering he knowingly gave access to what he KNEW as classified intel to his mistress.

 

[toubab]

There is no indication that any of Clinton's emails were leaked, endangered national security (certainly not more than Petraeus did) or endangered the lives of any operatives stateside or overseas.

In fact, the investigation has yet to find information that was classified at the time it was sent (only after the fact). If they had found this "smoking gun" then this conversation wouldn't be happening, because Hillary would have been indicted long ago.

Clinton is guilty of nothing more than Condi rice and Colin Powell are, using an unofficial email account which contained information that was determined to be sensitive after the fact. All are guilty of much less than is Petraeus is guilty of considering he knowingly gave access to what he KNEW as classified intel to his mistress.

I couldn't care less whether the information was marked classified at the time. Some of it was later classified as Top Secret, etc. That kind of information should not be transmitted on somebody's home server.

 

[BlackWolf65]

I couldn't care less whether the information was marked classified at the time. Some of it was later classified as Top Secret, etc. That kind of information should not be transmitted on somebody's home server.

Yup. For fuck's sake - even PayPal is more careful with the information they have about people than Clinton was with foreign intelligence information. She was the fucking SECRETARY OF STATE, and therefore we should be able to assume that she knows what is sensitive and what's not. Regardless of how the data was or was not marked, if she's in that kind of top level position, she should have enough good judgment to realize that, "Hey - this intel may one day have to be classified - I need to be careful about it."

Whether or not the information was marked as being classified at the time is totally irrelevant. It just does not fucking matter. When you have that kind of responsibility, you need to keep everything - classified or not - as secure as you possibly can.

 

[Lunarfaggot]

Look on the bright side guys, in 8 years you'll get another fair shot at the White House.

 

[BlackWolf65]

Look on the bright side guys, in 8 years you'll get another fair shot at the White House.

You haven't reached the age of majority yet, have you? I don't think they allow minors on this site...

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Yup. For fuck's sake - even PayPal is more careful with the information they have about people than Clinton was with foreign intelligence information. She was the fucking SECRETARY OF STATE, and therefore we should be able to assume that she knows what is sensitive and what's not. Regardless of how the data was or was not marked, if she's in that kind of top level position, she should have enough good judgment to realize that, "Hey - this intel may one day have to be classified - I need to be careful about it."

Whether or not the information was marked as being classified at the time is totally irrelevant. It just does not fucking matter. When you have that kind of responsibility, you need to keep everything - classified or not - as secure as you possibly can.

You have no idea what sort of security was on that server, nor do you know if it was encrypted or what method was used. The fact that there is no evidence that the server was ever compromised speaks volumes. there were attempts, but none successful.

As far as the law is concerned it certainly DOES matter if the information was classified at the time. As has been mentioned numerous times both former Secretaries of State Condi Rice and Colin Powell used private email accounts and BOTH were found to contain information that was retroactively marked classified, exactly the same Clinton's "Classified" emails. But neither of them are being "investigated".

Just for some historical perspective, Sec. Kerry was the first Secretary of State to rely primarily on a state.gov email account. there is STILL no rule or federal law banning the use of private email accounts by the Secretary of State or their staff.

 

[Busybody]

What is a RELIABLE source, and why?

Why did you feel the need to lie about the Muslim woman who beheaded a baby?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Still stuck on stupid huh DizzyBooby? No surprise.

Reliable source? I said an "ACTUAL NEWS SOURCE" meaning not the Daily Mail.
It's only actual use is as a bird cage liner or for wrapping fish.

 

[BlackWolf65]

You have no idea what sort of security was on that server, nor do you know if it was encrypted or what method was used.

Nor do you. The fact remains that she used a private server for government business. I don't really give a rat's ass if it's legal or not - it just shows shitty judgment.

The fact that there is no evidence that the server was ever compromised speaks volumes. there were attempts, but none successful.

And you know that none were successful... How, exactly?

 

[Busybody]

Still stuck on stupid huh DizzyBooby? No surprise.

Reliable source? I said an "ACTUAL NEWS SOURCE" meaning not the Daily Mail.
It's only actual use is as a bird cage liner or for wrapping fish.

Why is Reuters actual and Daily Mail not?

Why did you say she wasnt Muslim when she clearly was?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Nor do you. The fact remains that she used a private server for government business. I don't really give a rat's ass if it's legal or not - it just shows shitty judgment.



And you know that none were successful... How, exactly?

With the exception of John Kerry every other Secretary of State (that used email) has used primarily private e-mail accounts.

Actually I DO know that there was security installed on the server. Anyone with an IT background can secure and encrypt an email server. I went to college for Computer Engineering Technology (Networking). I could set up a home email server with encryption that would stymie any hacker with a supercomputer (or a botnet) and several years on his hands to spend trying to break the encryption and I've been out of the IT field for several years.

Security logs of the server showed hacking ATTEMPTS, none of which were successful. Which shows that there was some sort of security on the server, apparently sturdy enough to withstand several attempts at hacking it.

You don't care if something is illegal or not, but the GOP is trying to push that there WAS something illegal about what was done. So far they have been unsuccessful (and will continue to be I'm sure).

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

for instance, I could encrypt all email data using AES-256 encryption.

Breaking a symmetric 256-bit key by brute force requires 2^128 times more computational power than a 128-bit key. 50 supercomputers that could check a billion billion (10^18) AES keys per second (if such a device could ever be made) would, in theory, require about 3×10^51 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.

In theory it's not crackable, you either have the decryption key or you have nothing. So you could hack the server all you wanted, for all of the good it would do you.

 

[miles]

UD is on a mission from God to prove he's a fucking moron. So for he's been wildly successful.

 

[Busybody]

MULTIPLE ‘POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CHARGES’ FOR HILLARY, AIDES: That’s the word from an anonymous source familiar with the current thinking of those in charge of the FBI probe, according to the Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group’s Richard Pollock. New factor now in play is an “honest services fraud” charge. Stay tuned.

 

[Busybody]

FBI Investigating Whether Hillary Aides Shared Passwords To Access Classified Information

huma21n-3-web

The criminality in all this is just stunning.

Via Fox News:

EXCLUSIVE: The FBI is investigating whether computer passwords were shared among Hillary Clinton’s close aides to determine how sensitive intelligence “jumped the gap” between the classified systems and Clinton’s unsecured personal server, according to an intelligence source familiar with the probe.

The source emphasized to Fox News that “if [Clinton] was allowing other people to use her passwords, that is a big problem.” The Foreign Service Officers Manual prohibits the sharing of passwords.

Such passwords are required to access each State Department network. This includes the network for highly classified intelligence — known as SCI or Sensitive Compartmented Information — and the unclassified system, known as SBU or Sensitive But Unclassified, according to former State Department employees.

 

[toubab]

FBI Investigating Whether Hillary Aides Shared Passwords To Access Classified Information

huma21n-3-web

The criminality in all this is just stunning.

Via Fox News:

EXCLUSIVE: The FBI is investigating whether computer passwords were shared among Hillary Clinton’s close aides to determine how sensitive intelligence “jumped the gap” between the classified systems and Clinton’s unsecured personal server, according to an intelligence source familiar with the probe.

The source emphasized to Fox News that “if [Clinton] was allowing other people to use her passwords, that is a big problem.” The Foreign Service Officers Manual prohibits the sharing of passwords.

Such passwords are required to access each State Department network. This includes the network for highly classified intelligence — known as SCI or Sensitive Compartmented Information — and the unclassified system, known as SBU or Sensitive But Unclassified, according to former State Department employees.

Hillary may be protected, one way or another, but this doesn't look good for someone.

 

[miles]

In the unlikely event The Beast is indicted she probably won't withdraw from the race gracefully.

 

[Busybody]

So here is the ISSUE

The FBI cant and wont indict CuntCLinton

They cant indict the COLORED person, Myles and cant indict the MUSLIM person either

So 2 or 3 pee on white GUYS will take teh fall and CuntClinton will say

The RIGHT WINGERS spent MILLIONS of DOLLARS and found NOTHING ON ME

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Immunity from what?



Nothing in the emails, no crime, just "politics..."

AND factor in a lot of wishful thinking because as a candidate, we all know Hillary is unbeatable.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So here is the ISSUE

The FBI cant and wont indict CuntCLinton

They cant indict the COLORED person, Myles and cant indict the MUSLIM person either

So 2 or 3 pee on white GUYS will take teh fall and CuntClinton will say

The RIGHT WINGERS spent MILLIONS of DOLLARS and found NOTHING ON ME

FBI has no power to indict.

The only thing they can do is leak if the Justice Department refuses to indict...