Kerry/Edwards=Cheap/Tawdry

Couture said:

The only issue that effects me is his embrace of the religious right. I like dirty stories and they don't. That I could live with. If you don't like dirty stories...dont' read 'em. However, when they want to control what material I can masturbate to, well, then we got a problem.

You masterbate? That is not allowed!!!!!!!!
 
amicus said:
The Clinton economy grew because of the Reagan years and the Bush 41 years and because the Clinton administration gutted the military, raised taxes on business and slowed the economy to a near recession in 1999....

amicus...

Amicus, you are a complete moron. You actually believe that Clinton's policies, over eight years, did nothing to fuck up Reagan's and Bush 41's economy? Yet, in cutting taxes, for shifting economic rationales, Bush's policies are having an immediate impact? Oh wait, Bush 41 RAISED taxes. Oh yeah, so did Reagan! Unless you don't consider FICA a tax... It certainly takes money out of the economy, and gets spent by the government, so it should have the same short-term effects as taxes, right?

No economist buys into "Reaganomics". His own economists didn't even buy into it. It's just a cynical canard that fuels the anti-government rants of pseudo-Libertarians and neo-Cons like you, so they come out and vote for people like Bush, who then act against the interests of those voters. This pisses them off at the government even more, and that anger is channeled by the politicians against their opponents, and they get to rip everyone off still more!

Bush has GROWN the government by close to a million employees. The military, in their spectacular battlefield success, used the "gutted" personnel and material accumulated under Clinton. There's no way the supply chain works faster than that. After growing for years, including 2001 and 2002, the number of U.S. businesses actually DECLINED in 2003.
 
Re: Class warfare

DTB1954 said:
Really people, either candidate is not going to raise taxes. THE SENATE AND LEGISLATERS WILL ! And either president will hide behind it.

And as in the past if we pick on the upper 2% only, investment capital will leave this country and so will jobs.

Now everyone go to your corners and argue.

These are facts.........

That's where the investment capital went! Damn. But Bush brought it back?
 
We went to war with Clinton's supposedly gutted military. The first Bush defense budget didn't go into effect until October 1, 2001. Too late for any defense revisions to be activated in time for the invasion of Afghanistan.

"A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him. There is little he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow... And when that war [the first Gulf War] ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you to President Ronald Reagan."

--Dick Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000

I wonder if Cheney or Rumsfeld or Wolfowitz have called Clinton up to thank him yet?

Our military has done a fine job, especially considering the handicaps they've been shackled with by this "pro-military" administration. If Republicans leaders are so pro-military, why have so few of them served? They've got the balls to risk other people's lives, but not their own. Have you ever seen the record of Congressional Democrats who served in the military as opposed to Republicans who have served? It would be irrelevent if it weren't so one-sided, and the side who failed to serve weren't always the ones claiming to be pro-military. One Republican who did serve, John McCain, was butchered by the lies and venom of the Bush administration. Bush backed the lies of the Swift Boat Vet ads by proxy of his initial silence, further attacking a man with a noble military record. To me, it doesn't seem that Bush holds the military in such a high regard. Our soldiers are merely a means to an end for him. Expendable assets to a man who has never cleaned up any of the messes he's made in his life. What would make anyone think he could clean this mess up?

I've never voted a straight party ticket in my life, and have even voted for a Republican for President once. (Bush the First.) My vote is never a foregone conclusion from year to year because I carefully weigh all my options before casting a vote. Bush the Lesser has done nothing at any point to give me any confidence that he is worthy of my vote. (Not for dogcatcher, much less President.) He has done absolutely nothing right in his Presidency. Not one single thing that appears to be for anyone but him and his cronies. Besides his apparent greed and nepotism to his "family" of millionaires and billionaires he has done nothing. History will look back and show this President as the very definition of the words "colossal failure". And that's a shame. Bush had an opportunity that no other President has ever had. Unfortunately, he squandered that opportunity for political gain for himself and his party, and financial gain for his base, The Have's and The Have More's.
 
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