lesbian chic

[killallhippies]

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killallhippies wrote:
women are allowed much more "freedom " with their sexuality. this lesbian chic bullshit is a perfect example.

I don't think it's freedom. I think that prime time lesbianism is a la mode because it's a straight male fantasy. TV shows and music awards show Hot Chicks (tm) makin' out, and then they act like they're all daring and socially cutting-edge, when really they're just providing soft-core stroke material of the kind Penthouse has offered since at least the seventies.

What women can be sexually is still limited by the fantasy lives of straight men. If you don't believe it, ask a woman who is ten kilos overweight, or who is going bald. Madonna kissing Britney didn't set them free.

which is why "freedom" was in quotes. still, it's a level of freedom that men don't have. those same straight males really don't like the idea of male homosexuality at all. and straight women can be just as bad especially when they're of a conservative, religious mindset.

my point was women are allowed to be sexy while men are only allowed to be macho. you can find macho sexy if you like, but it isn't the same thing.

 

[kalalau]

JennyRocks' reply sounds awfully predjudiced. First of all, I don't do anything that feels dirty to me. I don't believe that sex between consenting adults is dirty, plain and simple. Secondly, not all men are bears. Some men are very hairy, others aren't. I suppose the same would apply to women. I, for one, am less hairy than many women, not that it matters. Lastly, I'm sure that there are lots of men that go straight to buttfucking, but I know for fact that lots of men, including myself, love foreplay and tenderness. For that matter, I like foreplay better than the "endgame"--not that I'd ever put it that way.

 

[Regis2001]

I have to say, I agree with the statement that women are allowed more freedom to experiment than men. As far as I can tell, it's to do with gender roles and starts in early childhood. No, I'm serious. My mother runs a children's group at our local church, and quite often the parents hang around for a cup of tea and a chat. When the girls want to play with the boy's toys, nobody bats an eyelid. But if a boy wants to play with the dolls or something, their parents (usually the father) usually come swooping down to say, "No, those are girls' toys."

What I'm getting at is that as femininity is associated with weakness (quite wrongly), it is acceptable for women to subvert their traditional gender role. As masculinity is associated with strength (quite wrongly), it is unacceptable for men to subvert their traditional gender role.

Obviously this theory could do with a bit more work, but it's a start. Have a nice day!

 

[JennyRocks]

First of all, I don't do anything that feels dirty to me.

Sure, sure, not dirty at all,

and I hear now that the new way surgeons have found to disinfect before major operations is to give each other a good butt fucking to make sure they are tidy clean.

 

[John Doe]

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This is a fairly clichéd line, and not evidence of an original and off-beat sense of humor. I suppose it suggests delusions of superiority, that somehow his desire to fuck a girl is more interesting than other straight men's.

I don't see why it's one or the other. Sometimes being silly for it's own sake is fun. I'm fairly certain he's not deluded.

Anyway, you'd have to ask him yourself.

 

[Zergplex]

Zergplex Says

Sure, sure, not dirty at all,

and I hear now that the new way surgeons have found to disinfect before major operations is to give each other a good butt fucking to make sure they are tidy clean.

Vaginal sex spreads just as many diseases, STD's anyone?

And more then just that, several other normal viruses can spread in the same way.

Neither is clean, but both are fun. Choose your poison ^_~

-Zergplex

 

[DirkPryde]

2 women being intimate, touching and kissing, looks sexier to me then when men do it. I think it has to do the end game. Where does this all end up? What's the climax?

Well, for the females, it's 2 shaven, smooth, lesbians, rolling around in silk sheets, sucking on clits, and having sex with double dildos, and getting off with vibrators. It's a very pretty picture, a work of art.

With 2 men, it's all hair, ball sacks, grunting, no foreplay. and to top it off the only way the night can end between 2 men is with ass sex. At least with 2 women we can play with each others clit's to orgasm. 2 men just feels dirty.

I think this post explains killallhippies reason for posting this thread in the first place. That is the exact mentality gay and bi men have to face from the people around them ...

Luckily my wife thinks I am a 'work of art' and seeing me enjoy myself with another man is a 'very pretty picture' to her

 

[Etoile]

Forgive me, but the title of this thread just has me giggling. I think the discussion is more about "lesbianism AS chic" rather than "lesbian chic," a term used in the lesbian community to describe things like fashion and what's attractive...

Okay, I'm being silly, I'll go play my video game now and finish reading HRC's Corporate Equality Index.

 

[karuna]

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which is why "freedom" was in quotes. ...
my point was women are allowed to be sexy while men are only allowed to be macho. you can find macho sexy if you like, but it isn't the same thing.

I can see what you mean of course. There are, and there have always been, domains where women had choices unavailable to men. Even in the conservative, pre-feminism world, feminine roles were unavailable to men. And you are quite right that this is unjust to those men whose true nature must therefore be hdden or repressed.

I do feel the need to point out that women's choices are still more limited than men's (as I am sure you know!) but I also agree that there are choices needlessly closed to men, and the real final, big goal of sexual and gender liberation should include freeing both men and women.

 

[killallhippies]

I think this post explains killallhippies reason for posting this thread in the first place. That is the exact mentality gay and bi men have to face from the people around them ...

Luckily my wife thinks I am a 'work of art' and seeing me enjoy myself with another man is a 'very pretty picture' to her

what that post displays is a bigoted world perpective from someone incapable of even attempting to think objectively about anything.

I can see what you mean of course. There are, and there have always been, domains where women had choices unavailable to men. Even in the conservative, pre-feminism world, feminine roles were unavailable to men. And you are quite right that this is unjust to those men whose true nature must therefore be hdden or repressed.

I do feel the need to point out that women's choices are still more limited than men's (as I am sure you know!) but I also agree that there are choices needlessly closed to men, and the real final, big goal of sexual and gender liberation should include freeing both men and women.

points conceded. all i want is for people to be allowed to behave as they please without having others interfere in things that don't concern them. it's why i'm a libertarian.

 

[Zergplex]

Zergplex Says

Forgive me, but the title of this thread just has me giggling. I think the discussion is more about "lesbianism AS chic" rather than "lesbian chic," a term used in the lesbian community to describe things like fashion and what's attractive...

Okay, I'm being silly, I'll go play my video game now and finish reading HRC's Corporate Equality Index.

What video game Etoile?

-Zergplex

 

[Zergplex]

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I do feel the need to point out that women's choices are still more limited than men's (as I am sure you know!) but I also agree that there are choices needlessly closed to men, and the real final, big goal of sexual and gender liberation should include freeing both men and women.

Amen to that my friend.

-Zergplex

 

[UnderMyKilt]

at what point did it become boring for you? me? three years ago.

also, is male homosexuality chic yet, because i know queer eye seems to be fading into the background lately.

I read that the ratings for the "Queer Eye..." show are down 46% from last season. They are about to give it the axe. Seems that it was a very quickly passing fad.

 

[Etoile]

Re: Zergplex Says

What video game Etoile?

-Zergplex

Spyro: Year of the Dragon. Third in the series for original Playstation, but I only just got it recently. I never did complete the second one, but I decided I wanted the new one anyway! (It's not actually new...but it's new to me.)

 

[Etoile]

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I read that the ratings for the "Queer Eye..." show are down 46% from last season. They are about to give it the axe. Seems that it was a very quickly passing fad.

Thank goodness! I never did like that show, even if a friend of a friend was featured prominently in a recent episode. (If anybody saw the one where they went kayaking, the kayaking instructor Richard is a guy I know, and one of the orange double boats is what I used for Paddle with Pride!)