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[bogusbrig]

"We"??

I would hardly know that you and your mouse (the "We" party) exist if it were not for your-Bogu insecure, loud, obnoxious and immature bothering me (your mouse has behaved ok so far).

OK I will avoid you.

You obviously know everything and your opinions are facts. It was you who indicated poetry was a hard science which implies you should be able to prove the content of your statements. It was you stating your opinions as fact that attracted me to challenge you in the first place. We both know that no matter how forcefully you make your statements about poetry, it is merely your opinion and no more.

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

So long & thanks for all the fish.

My willow tree tells me the end of winter is coming. My phone is telling me the same thing. I'm going to unplug my phone and shut off my cell every Sunday. From sunup to sunset, Sunday is mine...fuck the rest of you.
I have one tree in the orchard to prune, a plum and some clean up from the roses to take care of today.
I also have a difficult decision to make, one that I thought I had dealt with but apparently needs to be addressed again. I have to cut off my relations with one of my clients. He found out about my online persona, he is married and made a pass at me, I told him No. He said he respected my decision yet still tried to manipulate the situation for sex.

I know it works on some women, that sleezly oooze of pretentious I just wanna be your friend but it's ok if I try to stick my hand in your pants sort of behavior.
For the record, that is predatory and it just makes me want to go home and take a scalding hot shower to wash your fingerprints off of me.
Which leads me to another little issue. I, given my present circumstances must kill off Sabina.

 

[DeepAsleep]

Do it with the candlestick, in the observatory...

My willow tree tells me the end of winter is coming. My phone is telling me the same thing. I'm going to unplug my phone and shut off my cell every Sunday. From sunup to sunset, Sunday is mine...fuck the rest of you.
I have one tree in the orchard to prune, a plum and some clean up from the roses to take care of today.
I also have a difficult decision to make, one that I thought I had dealt with but apparently needs to be addressed again. I have to cut off my relations with one of my clients. He found out about my online persona, he is married and made a pass at me, I told him No. He said he respected my decision yet still tried to manipulate the situation for sex.

I know it works on some women, that sleezly oooze of pretentious I just wanna be your friend but it's ok if I try to stick my hand in your pants sort of behavior.
For the record, that is predatory and it just makes me want to go home and take a scalding hot shower to wash your fingerprints off of me.
Which leads me to another little issue. I, given my present circumstances must kill off Sabina.

 

[Maria2394]

My willow tree tells me the end of winter is coming. My phone is telling me the same thing. I'm going to unplug my phone and shut off my cell every Sunday. From sunup to sunset, Sunday is mine...fuck the rest of you.
I have one tree in the orchard to prune, a plum and some clean up from the roses to take care of today.
I also have a difficult decision to make, one that I thought I had dealt with but apparently needs to be addressed again. I have to cut off my relations with one of my clients. He found out about my online persona, he is married and made a pass at me, I told him No. He said he respected my decision yet still tried to manipulate the situation for sex.

I know it works on some women, that sleezly oooze of pretentious I just wanna be your friend but it's ok if I try to stick my hand in your pants sort of behavior.
For the record, that is predatory and it just makes me want to go home and take a scalding hot shower to wash your fingerprints off of me.
Which leads me to another little issue. I, given my present circumstances must kill off Sabina.

Im sorry you have had so much trouble, and I barely got to know you. So I will just toss your number and drink all the tequila by myself, unless Anna wants to join me, and Boo, too

And as for men, what can I say? excluding some on this site, they are a bunch of pigs and I do like when they try to get into my pants, ( doesnt mean they will get there) just hate when they lie about what they are trying to do, ya know? LIke I'm friggin stupid or something!!! I HATE that!! remember Thelma and Louise when they got that vile trucker in their grips??

Thelma-- "and I bet you called us beavers, didnt ya?"

trucker, "yuh huh, sure did"

Thelma, " I hate that!!"

bam bam she shoots his purdy truck and blows it up, waaaay up!!

laffed my arse off. Maybe you outta blow that guys "truck" up, way up, into smithereeens



hope it works out for ya, Sabina, and love those roses, they are a picky sort



maria

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

It's ok, I will be around...I just have to get a new secret identity

 

[DeepAsleep]

"IT'S SO ANGRY!" - Monty (Ryan Reynolds), "Waiting"

Im sorry you have had so much trouble, and I barely got to know you. So I will just toss your number and drink all the tequila by myself, unless Anna wants to join me, and Boo, too

And as for men, what can I say? excluding some on this site, they are a bunch of pigs and I do like when they try to get into my pants, ( doesnt mean they will get there) just hate when they lie about what they are trying to do, ya know? LIke I'm friggin stupid or something!!! I HATE that!! remember Thelma and Louise when they got that vile trucker in their grips??

Thelma-- "and I bet you called us beavers, didnt ya?"

trucker, "yuh huh, sure did"

Thelma, " I hate that!!"

bam bam she shoots his purdy truck and blows it up, waaaay up!!

laffed my arse off. Maybe you outta blow that guys "truck" up, way up, into smithereeens



hope it works out for ya, Sabina, and love those roses, they are a picky sort



maria

 

[bogusbrig]

remember Thelma and Louise when they got that vile trucker in their grips??

Thelma-- "and I bet you called us beavers, didnt ya?"

trucker, "yuh huh, sure did"

Thelma, " I hate that!!"

bam bam she shoots his purdy truck and blows it up, waaaay up!!

laffed my arse off. Maybe you outta blow that guys "truck" up, way up, into smithereeens

maria

You should watch the French film Bais Moi (Fuck Me) on which Thelma And Louise was based. It's a much darker and violent film. One of the women ends up being shot and the other captured, in between violence reigns. The opening scene is one of the women being raped and violence begetting violence throughout. No redeeming humour at all.

 

[Tzara]

Flaubert, Gustave (1821-1880):

Poetry is as exact a science as geometry

I was going to argue with M. Flaubert about this, but decided to look up the original quote, which seems to be this:

La poésie est une chose aussi précise que la géométrie.
—from a letter to Louise Colet, 15 August 1853​

Now I am no expert, but I would translate this as something like

Poetry is a thing as precise as geometry.​

which, I think, makes it a very different and less contentious statement. I think we would all agree that poetry—at least good poetry—is precise.

Or, perhaps we wouldn't.

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

La poésie est précise comme placement d'un baiser... non?:

 

[DeepAsleep]

'Asshole Poet' wa nihon go de nan to iimasu ka.

La poésie est précise comme placement d'un baiser... non?:

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

'Asshole Poet' wa nihon go de nan to iimasu ka.

Au sujet de quoi dans le nom de baises vous promenez-vous ?
<bitch slap>

 

[DeepAsleep]

Au sujet de quoi dans le nom de baises vous promenez-vous ?
<bitch slap>

If anyone actually spoke French to me and then slapped me, they had better be prepared for prompt, rabid sexual intercourse.

...Just sayin'.

 

[Sabina_Tolchovsky]

If anyone actually spoke French to me and then slapped me, they had better be prepared for prompt, rabid sexual intercourse.

...Just sayin'.

Vous, pouvez lécher mes initialisations.

<maybe you can find a friend to translate if not... trop mauvais>

 

[DeepAsleep]

Vous, pouvez lécher mes initialisations.

<maybe you can find a friend to translate if not... trop mauvais>

I'll like more than... Oh, you.. Gr. Hah.

(ahem)

'Scuse.

~R

 

[Maria2394]

You should watch the French film Bais Moi (Fuck Me) on which Thelma And Louise was based. It's a much darker and violent film. One of the women ends up being shot and the other captured, in between violence reigns. The opening scene is one of the women being raped and violence begetting violence throughout. No redeeming humour at all.

I will look for it, maybe netflix has it. Thanks for telling me, I thought Thelma and Louise was an original concept

Now I aint no man hater, but that situation had me totally empathising with the gals there. It was a horribly sad movie, I cry everythime I watch it. They never had a chance...

thanks again

 

[wildsweetone]

blog something... 21/2/06

i've learnt recently that if i have no direction then shoving me in a direction doesn't help my creativity. i.e. i have no particular direction for the 1-30 poetry thread, so each day i sit and panic and try and figure out something to write for the thread that i end up writing inside the thread's posting box hoping that i'll make it in time.

so, time for a decision. do i let a couple of days slip past and get myself a couple of poems and then post them one at a time, or do i simply wait until i can dream up a theme and then begin the 1-30 again? or do i forget the thread altogether.

guess i don't really have to decide now until tomorrow.

~~~

there are black and white moths flying around here that have some kind of death wish. they want to fly inside where it's darker as i have the blinds closed against the heat. i've just encouraged six or eight to go back outside. it's very odd as i thought moths (generally) fly towards the light, not away from it.

there's probably a haiku in that. i'll think about it.

 

[Senna Jawa]

I was going to argue with M. Flaubert about this, but decided to look up the original quote, which seems to be this:

La poésie est une chose aussi précise que la géométrie.
—from a letter to Louise Colet, 15 August 1853​

Now I am no expert, but I would translate this as something like

Poetry is a thing as precise as geometry.​

which, I think, makes it a very different and less contentious statement. I think we would all agree that poetry—at least good poetry—is precise.

Or, perhaps we wouldn't.

Thank you for the original and your translation. Indeed, the original (and your faithful translation) are clearly more sensible. Every advanced activity at its top level requires high precision, sometimes unbelievably high. Art and poetry is no exception. Such a statement is almost a tautology.The highest level can't happen without high precision (however the notions can be always differently interpreted and the language and the definitions are not precise, hence such statements can be uselessly argued about forever).

We are dealing here with an aphorism. Aphorisms thrive on brevity, also on the paradox effect, and they like to tease us too. All this should be understood. Thus the difference between the original and the free translation, which I have quoted, is not that significant after all, and there is nothing wrong--in the context of an aphorism--with the free translation. If I prefer the original it is not because the free variation is "bad". And still, I much prefer the original because of its narrow focus on an essential issue, on precision in poetry--something which is not appreciated (or stressed enough) among the majority of authors. Somehow other artists appreciate precision more.

 

[bogusbrig]

Many a cultural development and scientific break through has come about by lucky chance, random experimentation and/or intuition, hardly exactitude but of course one has to recognise what one sees. Though no doubt to those of the cultural orthodox church, most developments would be dismissed as heretical.


Poetry is as exact a science as geometry

Poetry is a thing as precise as geometry.

As aphorisms, both would do, though aphorism was not originally mentioned or implied.

But hey! I've no class, what do I know. I recognize intellectual acrobatics when I see it.

 

[Senna Jawa]

[...] though aphorism was not originally mentioned or implied.

And if a dog does not have a label "DOG" attached to it then it is a whale.



I don't think so.

 

[DeepAsleep]

No one ever has to know.

 

[bogusbrig]

And if a dog does not have a label "DOG" attached to it then it is a whale.



I don't think so.

Say what you want, you are never wrong. You have certainty of a concrete block.

 

[Maria2394]

ANGELINE!!!! caution, DO NOT Open DA's attachment, it is a C L O W N , a freakky sick clown it skeered me, and Im just looking out for you sis

xoxoxoxo

No one ever has to know.

 

[normal jean]

Say what you want, you are never wrong. You have certainty of a concrete block.

What chall doing to this fun place? HUH? I came here to relax. LIsten

BB, Senna is a MATH person. He has nuance, but youhave to sit patiently and watch to see it. I know other "math" people and they are serious, they deal in facts and if you want to debate something as subjective as what poetry is, then you dont do it with a math person!!

I am a FREAK and I understand what Tzara and SJ are saying about the precise as geometry thing. Anyone, that can scribble words can call those words poetry, and yes, BB, I understand your position that the true implication of the aforementioned translation might be wrong if mistranslated, but who gives a shit?? I mean really....

good poetry, ( term subjective) can be viewed as precise because it may or may not have an internal rhyme, it might be a sestina,etc,. etc, I know you know this, because I have read your work... and then some poetry ( term subjective) might have NADA going for it because it is like an etch a sketch on acid, all outta whack.
a square with no sides, a circle that radiates nto nowhere, a triangle with nine points, yeah, I know...but it could be possible in another dimension

I just hate to see the fussing, IM stomping my feet, saying you are BOTH kinda sorta right, but I disagree with the meaness and IM going back to my padded room and write on the walls with a big greasy purple crayon...

 

[bogusbrig]

What chall doing to this fun place? HUH? I came here to relax. LIsten

BB, Senna is a MATH person. He has nuance, but youhave to sit patiently and watch to see it. I know other "math" people and they are serious, they deal in facts and if you want to debate something as subjective as what poetry is, then you dont do it with a math person!!

I am a FREAK and I understand what Tzara and SJ are saying about the precise as geometry thing. Anyone, that can scribble words can call those words poetry, and yes, BB, I understand your position that the true implication of the aforementioned translation might be wrong if mistranslated, but who gives a shit?? I mean really....

good poetry, ( term subjective) can be viewed as precise because it may or may not have an internal rhyme, it might be a sestina,etc,. etc, I know you know this, because I have read your work... and then some poetry ( term subjective) might have NADA going for it because it is like an etch a sketch on acid, all outta whack.
a square with no sides, a circle that radiates nto nowhere, a triangle with nine points, yeah, I know...but it could be possible in another dimension

I just hate to see the fussing, IM stomping my feet, saying you are BOTH kinda sorta right, but I disagree with the meaness and IM going back to my padded room and write on the walls with a big greasy purple crayon...

Yep. Me agreeing with senna is like Luther agreeing with the pope or deciding which end of the egg should be cracked open to eat it from.

I'm taking time out to get my sense of humour back.

 

[DeepAsleep]

I'm taking time out to get my sense of humour back.

Praise gawd, praise gawd, lawdy, lawdy.

~R
If you laugh at them, they never win.