Male activists want say in unplanned pregnancy

[kalika]

Actually I was only being baised about the grandfathering thing. Hadn't even thought about my own situation before that.

I totally agree that he should have choices. I just think his choices come before the pregnancy occurs. If he can't work within the current set of laws he doesn't deserve to call himself a MAN. If he can't accept the current laws and consequences, he should step up and work to change them BEFORE he finds himself in a sticky situation.

In this case I feel the child is more important than the father. A man can do many things to rectify his finacial and emotional status, whereas the child just has to take what s/he is given.

I don't fault you for your opinion, everyone is entitled, this is just mine.

 

[Programmer Cat]

Face it, guys: if all you want to do is get your rocks off, then fuck your fist or fuck other guys. Save the hetero action for women with whom you're willing to have kids. Birth control is no guarantee; my father used a rubber and my mother was on the pill when I was conceived.

 

[Eilan]

It's always good when Men's Issues get publicity. I'm just a messenger.I hope men do get a say in unplanned pregnancies since it's their financial and emotional well-being on the line as well. It shouldn't be a one-sided issue, no matter what those misandrist judges and politicians tell you.

Men do get a say in unplanned pregnancies. It's called not putting your future into the hands of someone with whom you don't want to be connected for the next 18 or so years. It's called putting on a condom.

Your bias is palpable.

Pot, kettle, anyone? I know your comment wasn't addressed to me, but your anti-woman bias is pretty obvious, and not just in this thread.

In my opinion, it takes two to tango. If a guy's finances and emotional well-being are on the line, he is entitled to some choices. You don't have to like it.

You seem to be contradicting what you said earlier about men getting a say in unplanned pregnancies. If it takes two to tango, then shouldn't both people accept responsibility for their role in preventing unplanned pregnancies?

Both parties involved are entitled to some choices. They can choose their partners more wisely. They can choose to use BC. (And that's not foolproof. Face it--pregnancy is just one of many risks of choosing to have sex.) They can choose to think with their brains instead of with their genitals.

Like I said in my previous post, the National Center for Men's priorities seem to be as fucked up as their radical feminist counterparts. They need to be focusing on supporting/representing REAL men, the ones who are more deserving of custody than the mother of their children but have to deal with court systems that are often biased toward the woman. The ones who pay support for children they never get to see. NOT whiny little boys like Matt Dubay who's just looking to get out of having to part with $500 a month because he chose not to be responsible. If he were trapped by his ex, he might have a case, but I don't think that's the case here.

FWIW, Samuelx, I'm not a regular on this board, but I lurk sometimes. I've read a lot of your posts, and you strike me as someone who's always looking for something to be offended by. People who go around looking for things to offend them generally aren't going to be disappointed.

Good luck with that. You're gonna need it.

 

[Samuelx]

Eilan, you seem to have a lot of strong opinions on the subject, many of which I agree with.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Blue Eyed Muse, if people find out with DNA testing in Denmark, that you are the father of a child, then you are ... Forced if I remember correct into paying child support, or the state will do it for you, if you are on the dole.

 

[blue eyed muse]

Blue Eyed Muse, if people find out with DNA testing in Denmark, that you are the father of a child, then you are ... Forced if I remember correct into paying child support or the state will do it for you, if you are on the dole.

interesting to know, may i ask what is the dole?

i think i need to clarify, i am for the idea of child support. it is a great idea and can be very helpful, i've just been burned through my husband child support fiasco's. there have been errors left and right on the part of all the case workers and information transferring to the right people, that we are having to pay the penalties for. the situation he found himself in isn't entirely his fault and i think he is oneof those nice guys who deserves a chance to have a say. so that is why i've been on this thread so much.
the child support case workers are notoriously anti male and aren't very helpful the majority of the time. i think it would be all the more fair if all the people involved besides the parents were more equally compassionate. my husbands child support issues have definitely made me see how unfairly my husband has been treated when he tries to find out anything about his case and all the attitude he has to take when he is perfectely reasonable and polite on the phone. we owe thousands of dollars we shouldn't because of an error on the part of one of the counties, that was unnoticed, yet collected interest like mad. we still have to pay it, even though it was just discovered a few months ago, but has been going on for 5 years. we have no say in anything. it's very aggravating. the system is very biased and that needs to change.

i've typed more than i need to say and more. thanks for humoring me.

 

[Wolfman1982]

"the dole" is a British expression/slang of a person who is on social wellfare. and that isn´t cool thing. As I have said before, I am trying hard to use British English words, and expressions

And you could be my muse any day

 

[LoboBoy]

I agree with the girls. As a father of 2 from a Hetro marriage...there was never a time in all my life including all the casual sex I've had with women (in single days), that I would EVER have left the contraception up to someone else.

I used rubbers throughout our marriage for crying out loud because I didn't trust the pill and we were not ready for more kids!

Hetro sex is how we all got here in the first place...it's not like the guy in the above case didn't know that

I have a mate who has three kids with his wife, who for the first 7 years they were married, was repeatedly told she couldn't conceive!

 

[blue eyed muse]

"the dole" is a British expression/slang of a person who is on social wellfare. and that isn´t cool thing. As I have said before, I am trying hard to use British English words, and expressions

And you could be my muse any day

i see, thanks for the clarification

and for the wonderful compliment

 

[A_Kefka]

As I said earlier, I'm all for taking care of the kid. My issue with men not having a say in things is more a problem with situations like this.

Say a woman gets pregnant and doesn't even tell the guy. He may be totally willing to offer support, or want to be very involved in the childs life, but no one tells him so he doesn't have that option. All of the sudden when the kid is 8 or 12 she decides she needs more money so she tracks him down and demands child support. He has no choice but to give her money for a child he has never known, and by then the back support that he will be made to pay is enough to financially cripple someone. Situations like this SHOULD NOT happen, but they do.

Also don't like the fact that a woman can abort a child without the father, who may want a child, knowing she was pregnant. But since the man can't carry the child its not an issue I would push.

 

[PredatorSmile]

In all things, there must be balance. Without balance, chaos reigns.

- Anonymous.

 

[Wolfman1982]

In all things, there must be balance. Without balance, chaos reigns.

- Anonymous.

there can´t be chaos without cosmos, and there can´t be cosmos without chaos.

cosmos = order chaos = "out of order"

to use the Danish way of saying it

"der kan ikke være orden uden uorden, og der kan ikke være uorden uden orden".

It is ying, and yang, and you can´t have one without the other at the same time .

Well at least in theory

 

[Samuelx]

I'm a Star Wars fan and it has influenced my understanding of the universe.


The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

- Darth Sidious, Star Wars Episode III.


There is no light or dark side of the Force. There is only the Unifying Force.

- Luke Skywalker, Stars Wars : The Extended Universe.


The dark side is not a stronger path, simply an easier path. - Master Yoda, Stars Wars Episode II.

 

[Wolfman1982]

SamuelX: in some ways the Starwars universe is a Bible ripoff . And the "force" is really "God" packed in as a force of super powers. And yes I believe there is a God of some sort, but not an old man with his beard.