Martin Luther King Day

[BotanyBoy]

I don't hijack money from Single Moms but why do they deserve it anyway?

What a silly question, this is America single moms are automatically victims.

 

[AlexVega]

I don't hijack money from Single Moms but why do they deserve it anyway?

and yet you deserve 'it'

 

[Sean Renaud]

and yet you deserve 'it'

That's not what I asked, why do they deserve it in your opinion?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Sean Renaud:

I don't hijack money from Single Moms but why do they deserve it anyway?

and yet you deserve 'it'

You didn't answer the question. Single moms might want or need money, but why do they deserve it. As for myself, I live on entitlements - a pension and social security. I deserve this money, because I paid into the fund throughout my working life, over fifty years.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Originally Posted by Sean Renaud:

I don't hijack money from Single Moms but why do they deserve it anyway?



You didn't answer the question. Single moms might want or need money, but why do they deserve it. As for myself, I live on entitlements - a pension and social security. I deserve this money, because I paid into the fund throughout my working life, over fifty years.

You dont' pay into social security, that's not how it works. Basically your argument boils down to you deserve to have someone take out your trash and do menial labor around the house because you did that for your parents and grandparents (and if you were me assorted aunts, uncles and neighbors) which is generally how it works but you don't deserve it based that.

I deserve it because I exist. And again there are far more entitlements than that. IF your house catches fire nobody expects you to go and put it out yourself.

 

[sr71plt]

You dont' pay into social security,

Hey, what? It's deducted from your paychecks (and, if you're self-employed, you pay both as employee and employer). How do you figure that deductions from your income aren't going into Social Security?

 

[Boxlicker101]

You dont' pay into social security, that's not how it works. Basically your argument boils down to you deserve to have someone take out your trash and do menial labor around the house because you did that for your parents and grandparents (and if you were me assorted aunts, uncles and neighbors) which is generally how it works but you don't deserve it based that.

I deserve it because I exist. And again there are far more entitlements than that. IF your house catches fire nobody expects you to go and put it out yourself.

Throughout my working life, a portion of my wages or salaries was withheld and matched by my employers. The amount withheld from me was income I earned and paid taxes on but did not receive.

I also did chores for my parents and grandparents, and I do them for myself now, or pay somebody to do them.

If my house were to catch fire, the local fire department would, hopefully, put out the fire. This is not an entitlement; I pay them to do it through taxes. Likewise, I and millions of other people pay for street maintenance and other gov. services through various taxes. I don't get them for free.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hey, what? It's deducted from your paychecks (and, if you're self-employed, you pay both as employee and employer). How do you figure that deductions from your income aren't going into Social Security?

Because that's simply not how it works. Social Security is not some saving fund that you pay into so that it will be there when it's your turn. IT's a direct transfer of wealth from those working now to those who are not. It's fundamentally no different from you helping Old Man Jenkins with his lawn cus he's too old. Just these days you have something better to do so you give your money to Uncle Sam who gives it to Old Man Jenkins who pays Lil' Timmy and Suzy Rottencrotch.

So your income is most certainly going into it but that doesn't rate you it down the line any more than any other charity means you deserve help down the line. you do deserve it, you are entitled to it as a member of a first rate society. We should do it so you retire instead of clogging up the system and a dozen other reasons but at the end of the day you don't and can't earn it. Just like you don't earn the right for people to put out fires at your house or for trained professionals to come to your house after your heart attack even if you did CPR all day for thirty years.

 

[dan_c00000]

Throughout my working life, a portion of my wages or salaries was withheld and matched by my employers. The amount withheld from me was income I earned and paid taxes on but did not receive.

You just described a pension. Not Social Security.

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[sr71plt]

Umm, no. Who do you think is paying your Social Security contributions? It's you and your employer (and doubly you if you are self-employed).

 

[Sean Renaud]

Your contributions however are not for you. It is not a retirement, it is not a savings account. It's your contribution to the old fucks who can't/don't/won't work today (it really doesn't matter once they reach 65 they 'rate' it.) Where it comes from is utterly irrelevant to this.

 

[sr71plt]

Your contributions however are not for you. It is not a retirement, it is not a savings account. It's your contribution to the old fucks who can't/don't/won't work today (it really doesn't matter once they reach 65 they 'rate' it.) Where it comes from is utterly irrelevant to this.

I don't understand your point. Unless you drop dead before or shortly after retirement, you're likely to get more in benefits from SS than you put in (especially if you're not self-employed)--probably in savings on retail medicine prices alone. And you are taking the same risk with any other retirement savings plan.

No, Social Security isn't a sufficient retirement plan, but I just don't get why you guys don't know that money is being taken from your income and that your SS benefits are based on what you paid in (unless you're a federal employee--in which case you don't get Social Security at all, unless you start building it after you retire from the federal system with another job).

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't understand your point. Unless you drop dead before or shortly after retirement, you're likely to get more in benefits from SS than you put in (especially if you're not self-employed)--probably in savings on retail medicine prices alone. And you are taking the same risk with any other retirement savings plan.

No, Social Security isn't a sufficient retirement plan, but I just don't get why you guys don't know that money is being taken from your income and that your SS benefits are based on what you paid in (unless you're a federal employee--in which case you don't get Social Security at all, unless you start building it after you retire from the federal system with another job).

You will almost definitely get more out than you put in. That's really a separate issue. The issue is the concept that you "earned" this by doing that.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101:

Throughout my working life, a portion of my wages or salaries was withheld and matched by my employers. The amount withheld from me was income I earned and paid taxes on but did not receive.

You just described a pension. Not Social Security.

I receive both a pension and Social Security, and they operate in a similar, but not identical manner. My payments from the former are based on length of time worked and salary at the time of my retirement. SS is based strictly on the amount withheld from my paychecks and the matching contribution from my employers.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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[sr71plt]

You will almost definitely get more out than you put in. That's really a separate issue. The issue is the concept that you "earned" this by doing that.

Well, it is what you earned by being in the system--it really doesn't matter if it was your choice or not--and you'll get what the system releases to everyone with the credits you have. And you "earned" what you get by the income you made under the system.

So I still have no idea why anyone would think that you didn't pay into the system for what you get out of it.

The kicker for me for the SS system that I thought would work against me was that I was a federal worker and didn't pay into the SS system during that time at all. (Got a very, very! generous federal annuity instead). Then I retired and have worked for eighteen years in my own business, paying both the employee and employer SS tax. I initially was told I'd get none of the SS contributions back because you can't double dip from the federal government (a government pension plus SS). But that hasn't been the case. I'm drawing SS benefits by age, even though I'm still putting into the SS system (the benefits just go up). But I'm drawing half of what someone who worked for someone else gets, because I'm paying both the employee and employer tax.

I never looked as SS as my retirement plan, though.

 

[AlexVega]

Well, it is what you earned by being in the system--it really doesn't matter if it was your choice or not--and you'll get what the system releases to everyone with the credits you have. And you "earned" what you get by the income you made under the system.

So I still have no idea why anyone would think that you didn't pay into the system for what you get out of it.

The kicker for me for the SS system that I thought would work against me was that I was a federal worker and didn't pay into the SS system during that time at all. (Got a very, very! generous federal annuity instead). Then I retired and have worked for eighteen years in my own business, paying both the employee and employer SS tax. I initially was told I'd get none of the SS contributions back because you can't double dip from the federal government (a government pension plus SS). But that hasn't been the case. I'm drawing SS benefits by age, even though I'm still putting into the SS system (the benefits just go up). But I'm drawing half of what someone who worked for someone else gets, because I'm paying both the employee and employer tax.

I never looked as SS as my retirement plan, though.

Ah, you were a federal worker. That explains some of the anger as you didn't amount to much in life. You have to remember, you made that choice and can't be angry that others left you in the dust. You took the easy road, one that only a weak man can take.

Take pride that you stuck it out till the end and can now stick it to the tax payers.

 

[sr71plt]

Ah, you were a federal worker. That explains some of the anger as you didn't amount to much in life. You have to remember, you made that choice and can't be angry that others left you in the dust. You took the easy road, one that only a weak man can take.

Take pride that you stuck it out till the end and can now stick it to the tax payers.

I lived and worked in danger to protect the asses of silly, ignorant gooses like you, Jen, which, yes, would have been enough to make me angry. But it's YOUR anger and raw hatred that gets played out here daily, not mine, and I don't know who you think you are fooling on that.

(And I strongly suspect that I'm much more of a taxpayer than you are or ever will be with your attitude.)

 

[AlexVega]

I lived and worked in danger to protect the asses of silly, ignorant gooses like you, Jen, which, yes, would have been enough to make me angry. But it's YOUR anger and raw hatred that gets played out here daily, not mine, and I don't know who you think you are fooling on that.

(And I strongly suspect that I'm much more of a taxpayer than you are or ever will be with your attitude.)

Julie, I understand how dangerous it is to have you replace defective keyboards on a desk. got it.

 

[sr71plt]

Julie, I understand how dangerous it is to have you replace defective keyboards on a desk. got it.

By your posts to this forum, I wouldn't count on you understanding much of anything.

 

[AlexVega]

By your posts to this forum, I wouldn't count on you understanding much of anything.

Hey, don't hate the word for making bad mistakes. Own up to your failures. You survived bureaucracy where real men go out and make things

 

[Sean Renaud]

Ah, you were a federal worker. That explains some of the anger as you didn't amount to much in life. You have to remember, you made that choice and can't be angry that others left you in the dust. You took the easy road, one that only a weak man can take.

Take pride that you stuck it out till the end and can now stick it to the tax payers.

He took the honorable road of service. Something you're obviously angry that you can't comprehend. Someone doing something because it's right.

 

[AlexVega]

He took the honorable road of service. Something you're obviously angry that you can't comprehend. Someone doing something because it's right.

No, by becoming a government employee one is taking the easy road out.

Ken, you've already admitted to being a quitter so there is no need to talk about jobs/work.

 

[dan_c00000]

SS is based strictly on the amount withheld from my paychecks and the matching contribution from my employers.

Again that's a pension. Social Security is different. You may want to read something so you don't sound like a total dumbass all the time.

The current Social Security system works like this:
when you work, you pay taxes into Social Security. We use
the tax money to pay benefits to:

• People who already have retired;
• People who are disabled;
• Survivors of workers who have died; and
• Dependents of beneficiaries.

The money you pay in taxes isn’t held in a personal account for you to use when you get benefits. We use your taxes to pay people who are getting benefits right now. Any unused money goes to the Social Security trust funds, not a personal account with your name on it.

 

[AlexVega]

Clearly, you have lots of issues. I better leave you alone as you sound like a postal worker about to go on a shooting rampage.

Again that's a pension. Social Security is different. You may want to read something so you don't sound like a total dumbass all the time.

The current Social Security system works like this:
when you work, you pay taxes into Social Security. We use
the tax money to pay benefits to:

• People who already have retired;
• People who are disabled;
• Survivors of workers who have died; and
• Dependents of beneficiaries.

The money you pay in taxes isn’t held in a personal account for you to use when you get benefits. We use your taxes to pay people who are getting benefits right now. Any unused money goes to the Social Security trust funds, not a personal account with your name on it.