Middle class leaning Pub for economic interests -- even though data show that's wrong

[Ulaven_Demorte]

*reason* does not seem to be in the cards for him. I can't believe that needed an explanation.

That statement was mostly to bait TrouveRacist into trying to take a victory lap, which he did. I deliberately waited for that to post the newer version of that same poll (which disproves his assertion). TrouveRacist mistook my explanation of how to debunk his claim as approval of his deception.

 

[The_Trouvere]

That statement was mostly to bait TrouveRacist into trying to take a victory lap, which he did. I deliberately waited for that to post the newer version of that same poll (which disproves his assertion). TrouveRacist mistook my explanation of how to debunk his claim as approval of his deception.

You insult me because you cannot refute what I have posted about racial differences. That is characteristic of anti racists. What have I said that is not true?

 

[The_Trouvere]

Here two more recent polls:

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 12-15, 2015. N=1,003 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.5. 1/12-15/15


"Who do you think has better ideas about how to address the income gap: the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?" Options rotated


Democrats Republicans

44 ******* 33

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CNN/ORC Poll. Dec. 18-21, 2014. N=1,011 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.


"Do you think the Democratic Party or the Republican Party is more responsible for the lack of cooperation between the two parties in Washington?"


Democrats Republican

31 ******* 42
http://www.pollingreport.com/dvsr.htm

I am a Democrat, but I believe that racial differences that are easy to document are primarily biological in origin. I believe that these differences have legitimate policy implications, and that is is unfortunate that these differences cannot be discussed calmly.

I of course am calm, if some what somber, because I am confident in the truth of what I post. It would be nice if what I post was not true. Unfortunately, it is true, and it is cowardly to pretend otherwise.

 

[KingOrfeo]

You insult me because you cannot refute what I have posted about racial differences. That is characteristic of anti racists. What have I said that is not true?

What does it matter for purposes of this discussion? The middle class does include many African Americans -- if there really is any black/white IQ bell-curve differential, they presumably are at the middle-to-right end of the black bell curve; but, more importantly, regardless of whether any of that applies or not, their economic interests are the same as middle-class whites'.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The truth is, the Democrat Party is most popular among the government class, and those depending on the government for support, mainly concentrated in the large urban centers of America.

The private sector, the creators of all wealth, see the Democrat party as an economic threat to their well being. People who live on welfare should lose their right to vote, as they have a vested interest in growing government power and the continued taxation of the private sector, who's rights and property the Constitution was written and the government instituted to secure and protect.

Observe as the VetteBigot calls for simpler times, when only land owning white males were afforded a vote.

The Democratic party has shown itself to be the party of diversity and inclusion. Recent trends have shown large growth in Democratic support among the younger generation. In 2000, 48 percent of young voters went Democratic. In 2008, the number climbed to 66 percent. The young voting bloc will increase to 90 million in 2020. Likewise the Hispanic population, the fastest growing ethnic group in the United States, also tend to support Democrats — voting for them 60 to 70 percent of the time.

Meanwhile the Republicans have clung to the increasingly old bitter white (and dying off) demographic of Joe "SixPack" while doing their best to alienate minorities, women, and young people.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

this is awesome, one of your kind doesn't like you.

just more proof that socialism/obamaism is a form of a sickness, like aids.

Here two more recent polls:

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 12-15, 2015. N=1,003 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.5. 1/12-15/15


"Who do you think has better ideas about how to address the income gap: the Democratic Party or the Republican Party?" Options rotated


Democrats Republicans

44 ******* 33

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CNN/ORC Poll. Dec. 18-21, 2014. N=1,011 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.


"Do you think the Democratic Party or the Republican Party is more responsible for the lack of cooperation between the two parties in Washington?"


Democrats Republican

31 ******* 42
http://www.pollingreport.com/dvsr.htm

I am a Democrat, but I believe that racial differences that are easy to document are primarily biological in origin. I believe that these differences have legitimate policy implications, and that is is unfortunate that these differences cannot be discussed calmly.

I of course am calm, if some what somber, because I am confident in the truth of what I post. It would be nice if what I post was not true. Unfortunately, it is true, and it is cowardly to pretend otherwise.

 

[KingOrfeo]

. . . the Democrat Party . . .

Don't. It's lamer than lame.

 

[KingOrfeo]

People who live on welfare should lose their right to vote, as they have a vested interest in growing government power and the continued taxation of the private sector, who's rights and property the Constitution was written and the government instituted to secure and protect.

From The Voting Wars, by election lawyer Richard Hasen:

What really motivates the Fraudulent Fraud Squad? [American Spectator journalist Matthew] Vadum, one of the squad's newest members, inadvertently revealed what underlay his attack on ACORN and related groups. Registering the poor to vote, he contended, is "un-American," like "giving burglary tools to criminals." It is profoundly anti-social and un-American to empower nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country -- which is exactly why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.

In other words, we should once again make wealth a condition of voting. Apparently this is no longer the kind of odious idea one should keep to oneself.

Hasen's not making that up, either. Vadum's article.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The truth is, the Democrat Party is most popular among the government class . . .

Public employees are nowhere numerous enough to form a voting bloc.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Public employees are nowhere numerous enough to form a voting bloc.

combine government employees with welfare people and you have a voting block!

 

[KingOrfeo]

John Judis, co-author of The Emerging Democratic Majority (2004), now writes about "The Emerging Republican Advantage." Interview here.

Regarding which Michael Lind writes:

Judis and Teixeira are brilliant analysts of politics, but I never believed in their emerging Democratic majority thesis. The idea of the “coalition of the ascendant” is based chiefly on the premise that Latino voters, the most rapidly growing share of the U.S. electorate, will continue to be Democratic partisans as their share of the population increases over time. This assumes that Latinos, in their voting behavior, will be more like black voters, the most loyal Democratic constituency, than like European-American “white ethnics” such as Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans, who deserted New Deal liberalism for Reagan conservatism as they assimilated into mainstream society and moved up in income and out to the suburbs. (A British saying had it: “Give an Irishman a horse and he’ll vote Tory”).

<snip>

One result of Latino assimilation may be the collapse of the very idea of a “nonwhite majority” except as a meaningless statistical category. Already a majority of Latinos identify themselves as “white” when given the option on census forms. As I argued in a 1996 New York Times Magazine essay, “The Beige and the Black,” because of the depth of anti-black racism in the U.S., America’s informal racial caste consciousness has always been binary—not whites vs. nonwhites, but blacks vs. non-blacks. The “white” category has been an elastic one that has expanded to incorporate successive non-black immigrant groups—first European “ethnics” and in the future, perhaps, Latinos and Asian-Americans.

<snip>

What is more, immigrants do not assimilate to a generic American culture. They assimilate to distinct American regional cultures, which to this day are shaped by the values of the original British-American settlers—reformist Puritans in New England, the populist Scots-Irish in Appalachia, the oligarchs of the coastal South.

Even within the same denomination or religion—Protestant, Catholic or Jewish—Southerners are more conservative than Northerners. In the 19th century, American Baptists and Methodists split into regional denominations over the issue of slavery. Southern Jews have traditionally been more conservative than Northern Jews. Bobby Jindal, an Indian-American from Louisiana, is a typical right-wing Louisiana politician. Oh, and though you didn’t hear a lot about this from the progressives on MSNBC, in 2014 the first elected black senator from the South since the Civil War was Tim Scott, a conservative Republican.

Already we are seeing this pattern of regional cultural assimilation repeat itself with Latinos. In the recent gubernatorial election in Texas, 44 percent of Latino voters—and 50 percent of male Latino voters—supported the Republican candidate, Greg Abbott, against the Democratic candidate, Wendy Davis. To be sure, the Latinos who vote in Texas today tend to be more affluent and assimilated than Texan Latinos as a whole—but for that very reason they are better surrogates for future Latino voters than are recent immigrants are who not citizens or do not vote.

Of course -- all of the above disregards the effects of immigration as a polarizing political issue. I daresay the Pubs will continue to alienate even assimilated Southern Latinos if they don't change any on that point.

 

[JohnnySavage]

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[NeverEndingMe]

proof that government is evil

 

[KingOrfeo]

Of course, demographic change -- generational, not ethnic -- could still produce a solid Democratic majority. For one thing, the "Steadfast Conservatives" are an elderly demographic (31% are 65 or older), and, as they die off, are not likely to be supplemented from younger generations in commensurate numbers -- because, for another, the Millenials are turning out to be more liberal than any elder generation (41% consistently liberal or mostly liberal, 15% consistently or mostly conservative).