'Most of our church family is gone' - Shooting

[sr71plt]

*chuckle* you can keep calling it an "Assault Rifle" but that wont ever change it into one.

You can continue to deflect from dealing with access to rapid-fire weapons that can kill 26 people in a few minutes but that doesn't mean there aren't 26 people dead that fast who wouldn't all be dead if the shooter didn't have access to rapid-fire weapons. Here's hoping you and your loved ones are included in that count the next time it happens, and that you have a couple of minutes before you hit the floor to go over your crazy position on this issue in your mind. Right between your murder-assisting eyes.

I don't give a shit if you won't recognize the weapons because someone calls them assault weapons. That your idiocy and inhumanity.

 

[Hypoxia]

Exactly! The left always says if it saves just one life when it comes to restricting somebody else's rights. In this case it might have saved some.

Sounds like you wouldn't mind shooting people. Would you much mind being shot? Only theoretically, of course.

*chuckle* you can keep calling it an "Assault Rifle" but that wont ever change it into one.

I call Label Nazi. Does "assault-style carbine" suit you better?

People mis-apply labels constantly. Are you 'white'? Only if albino. Are you a railroad engineer? Only if you design rail systems; otherwise you're an engine driver. We use linguistic shortcuts and we generally get what's meant. IOW don't get anal there.

(Says the pedant who objects to calling firearms with rifled barrels 'guns'.)

PS: States and nations with more firearms suffer more firearm deaths. Folks demanding more 'guns' WANT more shootout massacres. Look within yourself.

PS2: I'm looking at a news report that says, "Kelley used an AR-15 variant assault rifle, authorities said, and wore body armor." 'Authorities' called it an assault rifle. Of course, authorities are always wrong. Except when they ain't.

 

[Chris_Michael]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/air-forc...exas-shooters-conviction-abuse-024638896.html

So now it appears the Air Force has dropped the ball on enforcing EXISTING LAWS which would have prevented this madman (ahem sorry liberals.... WHITE MAN) from getting a firearm.

You mean the government can't enforce the law and adding more laws will solve the problem? Logic.

On a side note... It's okay to be white. Unless you're a far left nutjob. Oh the racism!!!

 

[Hypoxia]

On a side note... It's okay to be white. Unless you're a far left nutjob. Oh the racism!!!

Are you 'white'? Really? You're an albino? You're more likely somewhat pinkish. Is it okay to be pinkish? With or without a tan?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

It's Obama's fault for not building a wall. Walls keep the bad actors out.

More gunz, more gunz, more gunz! Children of all ages, the mentally ill and of course the blind need to be heavily armed.

 

[AllAmericanMale]

May your and your loved ones be in the gun sights of an NRA-murder-assisted shooter and may you have a few seconds to contemplate what you have supported before he blows you away.

May you and your loved ones be in the gun sights of an NRA-murder-assisted shooter and may you have a few seconds to contemplate what you have supported before he blows you away.

you NRA-murder-assisting apologist.

At least ^------ is able to come up with original thoughts and fresh new arguments.

Your blame-the-ragheads meme lends you no credibility. The asshole wasn't Muslim. He's had issues with his wife and her family for years. He was aiming for his mother-in-law but got her mother (and 25 others) instead.

In brief: This has nothing to do with fucking Muslims. This has everything to do with an asshole who shouldn't have been armed.

i'll give you a break. You're having trouble reading past the first paragraph of posts that you're refuting. I never claimed this asshole was a Muslim. I am not disputing that he was white trash and had serious anger issues. My argument was that the toolbox took a page from the Camel-jockey playbook and went "lone wolf" and took a lot of innocent people with him when he took his own life.

And this coward did take his own life with a headshot. Sound familiar? Another page from the terrorist manifesto.

I've been watching Fox today too, the Air Force dropped the ball here. If they had reported the dishonorable discharge to the proper authorities and his assault and battery of his family this moron wouldn't have gotten to use his legal right to own a firearm.

P.S. before the Lib-tards come out of the woodwork; yes I watch Fox, I also watch CNN, and I take them both with a grain of salt. Don't believe everything a reporter with good hair, on tv, tells you. That makes you sheep-ple. I also believe that if you want an AR-15, you have a constitutional right to go buy one. The NRA is a benevolent organization that takes on a responsibility to train people exercising their rights to do it correctly. And before you ask, no I don't own a gun. I just don't care if you have one.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

At least ^------ is able to come up with original thoughts and fresh new arguments.



i'll give you a break. You're having trouble reading past the first paragraph of posts that you're refuting. I never claimed this asshole was a Muslim. I am not disputing that he was white trash and had serious anger issues. My argument was that the toolbox took a page from the Camel-jockey playbook and went "lone wolf" and took a lot of innocent people with him when he took his own life.

And this coward did take his own life with a headshot. Sound familiar? Another page from the terrorist manifesto.

I've been watching Fox today too, the Air Force dropped the ball here. If they had reported the dishonorable discharge to the proper authorities and his assault and battery of his family this moron wouldn't have gotten to use his legal right to own a firearm.

P.S. before the Lib-tards come out of the woodwork; yes I watch Fox, I also watch CNN, and I take them both with a grain of salt. Don't believe everything a reporter with good hair, on tv, tells you. That makes you sheep-ple. I also believe that if you want an AR-15, you have a constitutional right to go buy one. The NRA is a benevolent organization that takes on a responsibility to train people exercising their rights to do it correctly. And before you ask, no I don't own a gun. I just don't care if you have one.

You stated that you believe that Americans have a constitutional right to own an AR-15. Do you also believe that American citizens also have a constitutional right to own surface to air missiles, mortars, tanks and bazookas?

 

[AllAmericanMale]

You stated that you believe that Americans have a constitutional right to own an AR-15. Do you also believe that American citizens also have a constitutional right to own surface to air missiles, mortars, tanks and bazookas?

LOL. No, LD, that's not what I said. I stated that "I believe that if you want an AR-15" and then went on to dictate a fact "you have a constitutional right to go buy one".

You're having the same problems that Hypoxia is having. You're not reading what was written. He's not getting enough oxygen to his brain, what's your excuse?

The second amendment protects, not only, the right to keep and bear arms; but also states that that right shall not be infringed.

This situation in Texas would have been much worse had the neighbors across the street not been armed. The local Shire-Reeve would have rolled up, he'd have probably been shot. At the very least Wilson county, TX would've had to purchase another squad car. So, the "good neighbor", that shot the Asshat, that shot up the church, saved the county the cost of a squad car and saved lives because he was armed! Not only a hero, but he's giving the good people of Texas a tax cut!

 

[jaF0]

So, the "good neighbor", that shot the Asshat, that shot up the church,

Did he? Too many variations have been posted here. One thread said the guy got in his vehicle and fled and two rednecks chased him at high speed until he hit a ditch.

 

[Hypoxia]

You're having the same problems that Hypoxia is having. You're not reading what was written.

I read exactly what was written. That's what I do -- or did, when I was a technical editor. Here, I choose to reply to certain bits of what is written, often sardonically. I choose not to respond to other bits. So sue me.

 

[sr71plt]

Did he? Too many variations have been posted here. One thread said the guy got in his vehicle and fled and two rednecks chased him at high speed until he hit a ditch.

He hit the ditch because he had at least two bullets in him, fired by the late-appearing neighbor. Today the news said he had three bullet wounds. The neighbor's brother in an earlier interview said the neighbor shot him three times--in the side at the church and twice in the neck while he was fleeing in his vehicle. Today's news, though, says the third shot was self-inflicted, in the head. But I don't see this as a quibble point. The neighbor's shots are what got him stopped.

But it's the NRA-assisted-murder policies (and, apparently, the inattention of the Air Force by not entering him in a data base that would deny gun sales to him) that enabled the shooter to commit the crime that way in the first place.

 

[coachdb18]

The only Assisted-murder organization in action in America today is Planned Parenthood. Perhaps we should require abortions be performed with a handgun?

 

[LincolnDuncan]

LOL. No, LD, that's not what I said. I stated that "I believe that if you want an AR-15" and then went on to dictate a fact "you have a constitutional right to go buy one".

You're having the same problems that Hypoxia is having. You're not reading what was written. He's not getting enough oxygen to his brain, what's your excuse?

The second amendment protects, not only, the right to keep and bear arms; but also states that that right shall not be infringed.

This situation in Texas would have been much worse had the neighbors across the street not been armed. The local Shire-Reeve would have rolled up, he'd have probably been shot. At the very least Wilson county, TX would've had to purchase another squad car. So, the "good neighbor", that shot the Asshat, that shot up the church, saved the county the cost of a squad car and saved lives because he was armed! Not only a hero, but he's giving the good people of Texas a tax cut!

Actually, I have been reading your posts on this thread to completion. I didn't contend that you argued for missiles, tanks and mortars for citizens, I'm trying to figure out where you draw the line and how you come to the conclusion to AR-15s are guaranteed by the US constitution and bazookas are not.

The shotgun and the revolver I own are sufficient to protect my home. I don't need anything bigger and I don't need to own 57 gunz. The argument that citizens need guns to keep the government in check is an incredibly stupid argument.

Yeah, it's true that armed citizens helped prevent further death but if crazed fuckers didn't have easy access to combat weapons, that wouldn't have been necessary.

 

[KimGordon67]

Actually, I have been reading your posts on this thread to completion. I didn't contend that you argued for missiles, tanks and mortars for citizens, I'm trying to figure out where you draw the line and how you come to the conclusion to AR-15s are guaranteed by the US constitution and bazookas are not.

The shotgun and the revolver I own are sufficient to protect my home. I don't need anything bigger and I don't need to own 57 gunz. The argument that citizens need guns to keep the government in check is an incredibly stupid argument.

Yeah, it's true that armed citizens helped prevent further death but if crazed fuckers didn't have easy access to combat weapons, that wouldn't have been necessary.

I find this one really bizarre. In countries where large scale gun ownership isn't the norm, we seem to be doing just fine, and there's no notable dictatorships. Admittedly, the government hasn't always gone the way I'd want it to, but I'm dubious that me having a gun would have changed that.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

So interesting observing liberals trying to care about the deaths of white Christian possible Trump supporters to help to further their cause of increased government control over our lives. I guess you have to switch gears from wishing them dead to caring when they're murdered by someone the system failed to stop.

 

[zotique]

Sadly, if there were more people in the congregation with guns, this wack job could have been stopped sooner.

Ban guns and only criminals will have them. How did banning heroin work out for ya?

Yeah right.

More guns make people safer.

 

[Dribble]

It would make these conversations easier if people actually understood what the Constitution says and not what they think it says.

The "right" so many assume, is not a result of the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers defined that right as "pre-existing". Only thing the Constitution guarantees is that the Federal Govt will not impede that right. Sorry...just wanted to point out the obvious.

 

[coachdb18]

It would make these conversations easier if people actually understood what the Constitution says and not what they think it says.

The "right" so many assume, is not a result of the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers defined that right as "pre-existing". Only thing the Constitution guarantees is that the Federal Govt will not impede that right. Sorry...just wanted to point out the obvious.

Exactly!

Our rights come from our creator, they’re not dispensed at the whim and behest of government. We can no more repeal the Second Amendment, than we can repeal the law of gravity. The Founders argues this point thoroughly, but resolved that the Constitution would only promise that the newly formed (and ongoing) government would never infringe on those rights. It was a gift of government, ever!

 

[KimGordon67]

Exactly!

Our rights come from our creator, they’re not dispensed at the whim and behest of government. We can no more repeal the Second Amendment, than we can repeal the law of gravity. The Founders argues this point thoroughly, but resolved that the Constitution would only promise that the newly formed (and ongoing) government would never infringe on those rights. It was a gift of government, ever!

lmao. You seriously believe that God specifically ordains the right to bear arms? ... so do you still have that right if, for you, God doesn't exist?

 

[Dribble]

Exactly!

Our rights come from our creator, they’re not dispensed at the whim and behest of government. We can no more repeal the Second Amendment, than we can repeal the law of gravity. The Founders argues this point thoroughly, but resolved that the Constitution would only promise that the newly formed (and ongoing) government would never infringe on those rights. It was a gift of government, ever!

Perfect example of what I am talking about. Our Founding Fathers gave us not one, but two ways to amend the Constituition. So....sorry....any amendment can be repealed. But repealing that amendment doesnt take away any pre-defined right. That right can only be changed through a new amendment usually backed by a societal shift in attitude.

This is common sense.

 

[coachdb18]

Perfect example of what I am talking about. Our Founding Fathers gave us not one, but two ways to amend the Constituition. So....sorry....any amendment can be repealed. But repealing that amendment doesnt take away any pre-defined right. That right can only be changed through a new amendment usually backed by a societal shift in attitude.

This is common sense.

And as I stated before, any asshat can write a law repealing the law of gravity too, with equal chance of reality. There are manmade laws, and Natural laws. Only a fool would attempt legislating, or worse repealing, a Natural law. The Founders argues as to whether to even mention such laws in our Constitution, and adding the Bill of Rights was finally settled upon.

 

[oggbashan]

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“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”

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Sorry for you. Those words were rhetoric, designed to justify rebellion in the eyes of countries other than the United Kingdom. The only country that accepted 'these truths' at the time was France. They did that because they were at war on and off with the United Kingdom and diverting the UK's forces across the Atlantic was in France's interest.

The writers even lied to themselves. At the time 'All Men' did not include slaves or Native Americans.

'self-evident' was and is bullshit wherever it is used. It means 'you'll just have to accept what we say because we say it'.

 

[sr71plt]

The writers even lied to themselves. At the time 'All Men' did not include slaves or Native Americans.

Or women or even white men who didn't own property.

 

[Hypoxia]

One may go all mystical about 'rights' that exist in one place but not in others, yada yada. But the cold reality is that 'rights' are seized, not granted. Mao's creed, "Political power grows from the barrel of a gun", is as trivial as 1=1. Murkans have 'rights' because they fought for them. If we don't fight for a right, it goes away.

Do we have the right to walk down a street, go to school or temple or downtown, or even go home, without fearing being shot? Have we that right? Must we fight for it? That could get nasty. 2nd-amendment junkies might not like what an incensed majority can do.

Not that much could change. The cat is out of the barn. Firearms flood USA and more can be made with 3D printers. Seizing them is impossible. More guns in an area lead to more gun-related deaths -- that's documented. Those who want more guns truly want more massacres, and they'll get-em; we can't stop-em.
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@coachdb18: If you don't like abortion, don't have one.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Thou shall not murder? Seems to me I've heard that one. Oh yeah, the Ten Commandments

lmao. You seriously believe that God specifically ordains the right to bear arms? ... so do you still have that right if, for you, God doesn't exist?