NBA Mount Rushmore

[toubab]

Just for the record, I would take Wilt Chamberlain over Bill Russell, too. Winning more championships doesn't necessarily make him a better player. If that was the case, Robert Horry would be considered better than Michael Jordan.

I wouldn't. Russell was a much better defensive player, and just a better all around player. I'm not taking anything away from Chamberlain, mind you, but he had a pretty big height advantage over Russell, and still couldn't outplay him.

 

[smoothg103rd]

How about five 40-40s. And a double double in just about every game he played. And by the way there are many who think he was the best.

Double double as a center is nothing. It should be mandatory.

 

[Adre]

Double double as a center is nothing. It should be mandatory.

Who else had 227 consecutively?

 

[Adre]

I wouldn't. Russell was a much better defensive player, and just a better all around player. I'm not taking anything away from Chamberlain, mind you, but he had a pretty big height advantage over Russell, and still couldn't outplay him.

Much better, really? So you're not impressed by a 23 rebounds average?

 

[toubab]

Much better, really? So you're not impressed by a 23 rebounds average?

I said Russell was a much better defensive player, not a better rebounder, but I think Russell averaged about 22.

Edit: I just looked up the stats and Chamberlain averaged 22.9 and Russell averaged 22.5.

 

[GimpyIntellect]

I guess I win our LeBron argument? Being that you didn't reply.

I stopped arguing because I won.

If you can find anyone, anywhere in the world, with any kind of basketball knowledge, that says Carmelo Anthony is better than Lebron James, I'll call you victorious.

Unfortunately, that person doesn't exist.

 

[GimpyIntellect]

I wouldn't. Russell was a much better defensive player, and just a better all around player. I'm not taking anything away from Chamberlain, mind you, but he had a pretty big height advantage over Russell, and still couldn't outplay him.

Chamberlain averaged exactly 28.7 points and 28.7 rebounds a game during in 142 games versus Bill Russell, the point totals brought down a bit by his late-in-career transformation from relentless scoring machine to more well-rounded player. In the early years Wilt scored 50 or more points seven times against Russell, including a high of 62 on January 14, 1962. By the time we could start referring to these men as "aging warriors," the numbers were a bit more back to earth. Wilt's high game in their final year was 35, and three times he scored in single figures.

Russell's totals against Wilt were 14.5 points and 23.7 rebounds per game. His highest-scoring game against his arch rival was 37.

http://www.nba.com/encyclopedia/ryan_rivalries.html

I'm not saying it's as clear-cut as Lebron over Carmelo, but I would take Chamberlain over Russell. You really can't go wrong either way.

 

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You guys know there's already a Girls Talk thread...

...right?

 

[smoothg103rd]

Who else had 227 consecutively?

He's 7"1 and played against no other 7 footers. He should have a double double every game.

 

[toubab]

Chamberlain averaged exactly 28.7 points and 28.7 rebounds a game during in 142 games versus Bill Russell, the point totals brought down a bit by his late-in-career transformation from relentless scoring machine to more well-rounded player. In the early years Wilt scored 50 or more points seven times against Russell, including a high of 62 on January 14, 1962. By the time we could start referring to these men as "aging warriors," the numbers were a bit more back to earth. Wilt's high game in their final year was 35, and three times he scored in single figures.

Russell's totals against Wilt were 14.5 points and 23.7 rebounds per game. His highest-scoring game against his arch rival was 37.

http://www.nba.com/encyclopedia/ryan_rivalries.html

I'm not saying it's as clear-cut as Lebron over Carmelo, but I would take Chamberlain over Russell. You really can't go wrong either way.

I agree with your last sentence wholeheartedly. Both men could play at the highest level possible at the time.

 

[smoothg103rd]

I stopped arguing because I won.

If you can find anyone, anywhere in the world, with any kind of basketball knowledge, that says Carmelo Anthony is better than Lebron James, I'll call you victorious.

Unfortunately, that person doesn't exist.

We wasn't arguing who was better. We was arguing about the Cavs teams. I think I won that, didn't I?

 

[GimpyIntellect]

We wasn't arguing who was better. We was arguing about the Cavs teams. I think I won that, didn't I?

I don't remember that argument. What was it about? I was just trying to show you that Lebron played with junk. This time around he has better teammates, and will likely be in the finals. (Although I hope not, I'm not really a Lebron fan myself)

 

[smoothg103rd]

I don't remember that argument. What was it about? I was just trying to show you that Lebron played with junk. This time around he has better teammates, and will likely be in the finals. (Although I hope not, I'm not really a Lebron fan myself)

He didn't play with junk. LeBron is a better all the round player, and Melo is a better scorer.

 

[GimpyIntellect]

He didn't play with junk. LeBron is a better all the round player, and Melo is a better scorer.

Lebron James points per game: 27.3

Carmelo Anthony points per game: 25.2.

Needless to say, Lebron is better than Carmelo at EVERYTHING else, too.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Lebron James points per game: 27.3

Carmelo Anthony points per game: 25.2.

Needless to say, Lebron is better than Carmelo at EVERYTHING else, too.

If you really going to say LeBron is a better scorer then Melo, this conversation is over. Plus LeBron dominant the ball more, he's the PG, SG, SF and PF. Look at their rookie year, Melo was better statically and took his team to the playoffs, but LeBron won rookie of the year, but yet he was sitting home during the playoffs. He been overhyped before he even came to the NBA. That's the reason why he got to go play with 3 other super stars just to win a ring.

 

[GimpyIntellect]

If you really going to say LeBron is a better scorer then Melo, this conversation is over. Plus LeBron dominant the ball more, he's the PG, SG, SF and PF. Look at their rookie year, Melo was better statically and took his team to the playoffs, but LeBron won rookie of the year, but yet he was sitting home during the playoffs. He been overhyped before he even came to the NBA. That's the reason why he got to go play with 3 other super stars just to win a ring.

Lebron averages more points, and takes way less shots. Do you know what that means? He's efficient. He averages more assists, rebounds, higher field-goal percentage, better defender, etc. There is literally not one thing Carmelo does better. Not one. Zero. You're simply blinded by hate, Smooth. That isn't a way to live a life.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Lebron averages more points, and takes way less shots. Do you know what that means? He's efficient. He averages more assists, rebounds, higher field-goal percentage, better defender, etc. There is literally not one thing Carmelo does better. Not one. Zero. You're simply blinded by hate, Smooth. That isn't a way to live a life.

He more efficient because most of his shots are dunks. Did you see what the Mavs did to LeBron in the finals? He's a crybaby with no heart, he isn't clutch and he folds under pressure.

 

[TheLM]

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Hard to win if the opponent banks in 50 half-court shots

 

[JohnnySavage]

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[SgtSpiderMan]

I did my research. It was only about 10 NBA teams then. He was 6"9 and they were only three people taller than 6"8, him include. Centers was around 6"4, and plus THERE WERE ONLY TEN TEAMS. 11 rings is 11 rings, I'm not going to take that away from him, but for the sake of argument, it's not impressive.

How many of those eleven did he get by kicking Wilt's butt?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

He more efficient because most of his shots are dunks. Did you see what the Mavs did to LeBron in the finals? He's a crybaby with no heart, he isn't clutch and he folds under pressure.

Did you see what the Blazers did to Melo in the Finals?

 

[smoothg103rd]

How many of those eleven did he get by kicking Wilt's butt?

Idk..

 

[smoothg103rd]

Did you see what the Blazers did to Melo in the Finals?

At first I was like, what? But now I see what point you're trying to make. Melo played in the west, and had to play against great teams like the Lakers, Spurs and Mavs. And now he plays for the Knicks, I don't think I have to explain that. If Detroit wasn't stupid and drafted Melo, he would have more rings than LeBron.

 

[GimpyIntellect]

He more efficient because most of his shots are dunks. Did you see what the Mavs did to LeBron in the finals? He's a crybaby with no heart, he isn't clutch and he folds under pressure.

Keep chugging that Haterade, Smooth.

You don't like Lebron because he dunks, but you have Shaq on your Mount Rushmore... LOL

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

At first I was like, what? But now I see what point you're trying to make. Melo played in the west, and had to play against great teams like the Lakers, Spurs and Mavs. And now he plays for the Knicks, I don't think I have to explain that. If Detroit wasn't stupid and drafted Melo, he would have more rings than LeBron.

My point was that Melo has never been to the Finals. Has he been to the 2nd round?