Non consensual scenes between women

[Luna_Wolf72]

Reads through the thread

OKAY.

Obviously what we have here is a failure to communicate.

This thread is not about rape. Not really. The question is/was about the fantasy of brutality.

Do I dig it?

No.

Why?

Because I have been on the receiving end of real brutality FAR too many times. I have been molested, raped, hurt, abused.

However, someone living out their fantasies in a safe, sane way...whether in their head or with their partner? That is as far from rape in actuality as cats are from dogs.

Do I think that what people get off in their brains is ANY of my business? Hell no. Nor do I feel it is proper to make sly digs at someone who enjoys something I do not/would not ever get off on.

It ain't my business.

And what I dealt with has NOTHING to do with those people who enjoy fantasies of coercive sex or non con.

C'mon people. You are basically saying that someone who uses fantasy as a way to spice up their own personal love life somehow equates to the people that hurt/took/raped/beat/battered us.

And that is NOT true.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Reads through the thread

OKAY.

Obviously what we have here is a failure to communicate.

This thread is not about rape. Not really. The question is/was about the fantasy of brutality.

Do I dig it?

No.

Why?

Because I have been on the receiving end of real brutality FAR too many times. I have been molested, raped, hurt, abused.

However, someone living out their fantasies in a safe, sane way...whether in their head or with their partner? That is as far from rape in actuality as cats are from dogs.

Do I think that what people get off in their brains is ANY of my business? Hell no. Nor do I feel it is proper to make sly digs at someone who enjoys something I do not/would not ever get off on.

It ain't my business.

And what I dealt with has NOTHING to do with those people who enjoy fantasies of coercive sex or non con.

C'mon people. You are basically saying that someone who uses fantasy as a way to spice up their own personal love life somehow equates to the people that hurt/took/raped/beat/battered us.

And that is NOT true.

Nope. We are going to haveta agree to disagree on this one, Sugar Britches. (miss ya, BTW).

Ya see, TO ME, it's not like cats and dogs, it's more like kittens and tigers. People can and have kept them both as pets but no ones ever been eaten by their pet kitten (wonder what kind of "fantasies" Sigfield & Roy used to have before his "pet" ate his ass???).

Now, as a tiger bite victim, I imagine 'ol Roy would damn leery of cats, but he couldn't stop people from owning them. If people want to have rape fantasies I can't stop that either, but as a rape survivor I sure as FUCK don't have to like it.

I also think that if the "fantasizer" get to "speak up frankly" about being tigers, then the survivors of tiger attacks have as much or more right to speak their minds. After all these "fantasizers" are deriving enjoyment from depictions of your, mine and PressleyNight's pain & anguish. (as for staying out of their fantasy "tiger cages": mebe they shouldn't leave the freakin door hanging wide open in the forum inviting people to comment???)

You also know as a survivor just how disgusting it is when people start pulling the "I don't condone rape, but 'reluctant' is okay" bullshit. All that amounts to is self rationalizations at best.

Now as for the difference between brutality & rape? There were innumerable time both Suzy and I would wake up with a BUNCH of black & blue marks. We both enjoyed "enthusiastic" sex. Some people might even define some of our rougher stuff as "brutal". That said, it was easy to never cross the line. We might have punched, kicked, bit & pinched the shit our of each other, and we even got toppy on occassion. But we never crossed in to rape fantasizes because I'd flip out and Suzy was way uncomfortable because I was uncomfortable. In other words, we liked our "kittens", but had no desire to "fantasize" that they were tigers.

That make sense????

 

[Stella_Omega]

That make sense????

If only you made this kind of sense more often.

 

[Safe_Bet]

If only you made this kind of sense more often.

Fuck off, Stella. Go troll somebody who gives two shits about what you think, K?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Fuck off, Stella. Go troll somebody who gives two shits about what you think, K?

Atta girl!

 

[Safe_Bet]

Atta girl!

You can be as big of a cunt as you like but I'm NOT leaving, Stella. I hope PressNightly feels the same way. People who ain't in your "posse" still get to be here last I checked, no matter if you like it or not OR however much you try to harass us (inc. your sorry ass wannabe dominant imitation).

 

[Stella_Omega]

You can be as big of a cunt as you like but I'm NOT leaving, Stella. I hope PressNightly feels the same way. People who ain't in your "posse" still get to be here last I checked, no matter if you like it or not OR however much you try to harass us (inc. your sorry ass wannabe dominant imitation).

A few words is "harrassment--" more than one person commenting on your nuttiness is a "posse" -- you are a delicate little snowflake, aren't you?

 

[infinity706]

Rape fantasy can totally be a lot of fun. Of course, I prefer being the rape victim, despite tending to dominate any sexual encounter and I've gotten to play the rapist before. The only time I've gotten to try it as the victim, it's been guy/guy, but I might have the opportunity to try it with a woman in the near future, too, if life can get the fuck out of the way. I quite enjoyed the first time even though that's the only time I've ever seen that person in my life. One of my special friends set it up for me with one of his friends. The only rules were not leaving any marks that would last more than a day and using a condom for oral/anal. It was awesome except for the awkward part of having to not resist too hard because I was far stronger than the "rapist."

The funny part, though, is that the 2 women that have expressed interest in being the second to "rape" me are former rape victims.

 

[Fmature2play]

I was "getting it" as far as it being a fantasy thing for you. (Just don't understand it by any means but that's another matter) But that last line just has a bit of a ring to it. I work with a hospital and have heard my fair share of rape horror stories but the few faces I have seen (I don't go onto the floors very often) certainly didn't look like what they had been thru would ever be something they'd want to relive in any way shape or form.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I was "getting it" as far as it being a fantasy thing for you. (Just don't understand it by any means but that's another matter) But that last line just has a bit of a ring to it. I work with a hospital and have heard my fair share of rape horror stories but the few faces I have seen (I don't go onto the floors very often) certainly didn't look like what they had been thru would ever be something they'd want to relive in any way shape or form.

It's true nevertheless, some people do want to relive their trauma. Go to the BDSM forum and ask there. Or do a search there, there've been plenty threads about rape fantasies.

 

[Fmature2play]

It's true nevertheless, some people do want to relive their trauma. Go to the BDSM forum and ask there. Or do a search there, there've been plenty threads about rape fantasies.

I live by the to each his/her own motto. There are dark corners of my own sexuality that I sometimes wish were not there but still allow them to arouse me. These same thoughts would prolly repulse others so like the tired old cliche says, it is what it is. I was just thinking that for a woman to have been raped for real and then be aroused by it seems odd. Lots of things get me going that if they ever happened in real life, I'd likely freak out.

 

[infinity706]

I really don't think it'll be anything like the rape stories of the 2 women that would like to jump me. They weren't raped that violently and weren't physically harmed. What either one of them intends to do to me will make "rape" #1 look tame.

 

[Safe_Bet]

It's true nevertheless, some people do want to relive their trauma. Go to the BDSM forum and ask there. Or do a search there, there've been plenty threads about rape fantasies.

I live by the to each his/her own motto. There are dark corners of my own sexuality that I sometimes wish were not there but still allow them to arouse me. These same thoughts would prolly repulse others so like the tired old cliche says, it is what it is. I was just thinking that for a woman to have been raped for real and then be aroused by it seems odd. Lots of things get me going that if they ever happened in real life, I'd likely freak out.

Feeling a need to or being unable to avoid "reliving their trauma" is a LOOONG ass ways away from getting off on the sick ass fantasy of it (regardless of which forum it might be expressed).

I would wager a bet that the individuals, who are rape survivors, do that because they have deep seated issues they've never addressed or feel the need to atone for what they erroneously think was somehow their fault.

I have NEVER met a rape survivor who got turned on by it. Any that say they do probably are indulging in "porn board fantasies".

(and yeah Stella, I'm calling bullshit based upon having actually been there and having had donated too many hours to count working with my fellow rape survivors - NOT using some BS posts made most likely by dudes in a BDSM fantasy forum)

 

[Safe_Bet]

They weren't raped that violently and weren't physically harmed.

I can NOT believe anyone would actually say something like this! ^^^


Damn, dude! You EARNED the "Lowlife Scum of the Week Award". You planning on running for Governor of Virginia or something you asshole???

 

[Stella_Omega]

Feeling a need to or being unable to avoid "reliving their trauma" is a LOOONG ass ways away from getting off on the sick ass fantasy of it (regardless of which forum it might be expressed).

I would wager a bet that the individuals, who are rape survivors, do that because they have deep seated issues they've never addressed or feel the need to atone for what they erroneously think was somehow their fault.

The words of a wannabe mind reader. The words of a person who wants to control the thoughts of everyone around her.

I have NEVER met a rape survivor who got turned on by it.

You haven't met the women I've met. Or what's more likely, you've never met a woman who would confide their inner secrets to your dysfunctional, proclamation-laying-down, morally judgmental self.

Any that say they do probably are indulging in "porn board fantasies".

Probably, huh? You a mind reader?

(and yeah Stella, I'm calling bullshit based upon having actually been there and having had donated too many hours to count working with my fellow rape survivors - NOT using some BS posts made most likely by dudes in a BDSM fantasy forum)

Oh right. If someone disagrees with Amy, she can't be a woman/lesbian/rape survivor/whatever Amy is screaming about.

Sorry, you don't get to un-define people as an argument for your position.

Damn, dude! You EARNED the "Lowlife Scum of the Week Award".

there will be another award tomorrow. Amy's world is chock-full of lowlife scum.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Nope. We are going to haveta agree to disagree on this one, Sugar Britches. (miss ya, BTW).

Ya see, TO ME, it's not like cats and dogs, it's more like kittens and tigers. People can and have kept them both as pets but no ones ever been eaten by their pet kitten (wonder what kind of "fantasies" Sigfield & Roy used to have before his "pet" ate his ass???).

Now, as a tiger bite victim, I imagine 'ol Roy would damn leery of cats, but he couldn't stop people from owning them. If people want to have rape fantasies I can't stop that either, but as a rape survivor I sure as FUCK don't have to like it.

I also think that if the "fantasizer" get to "speak up frankly" about being tigers, then the survivors of tiger attacks have as much or more right to speak their minds. After all these "fantasizers" are deriving enjoyment from depictions of your, mine and PressleyNight's pain & anguish. (as for staying out of their fantasy "tiger cages": mebe they shouldn't leave the freakin door hanging wide open in the forum inviting people to comment???)

You also know as a survivor just how disgusting it is when people start pulling the "I don't condone rape, but 'reluctant' is okay" bullshit. All that amounts to is self rationalizations at best.

Now as for the difference between brutality & rape? There were innumerable time both Suzy and I would wake up with a BUNCH of black & blue marks. We both enjoyed "enthusiastic" sex. Some people might even define some of our rougher stuff as "brutal". That said, it was easy to never cross the line. We might have punched, kicked, bit & pinched the shit our of each other, and we even got toppy on occassion. But we never crossed in to rape fantasizes because I'd flip out and Suzy was way uncomfortable because I was uncomfortable. In other words, we liked our "kittens", but had no desire to "fantasize" that they were tigers.

That make sense????

It does make sense to me, pretty evil bitchling.

I can even agree that I dig what you say and HOW you say it.

I guess my gripe comes from the fact that I have helped others deal with their own personal rape stories a time or two in a BDSM context and for the most part it helped those survivors deal with the hurt, the trauma, the pain...

because ultimately...

THEY were in control.


The fantasy of it, in those particular cases, is as far from the reality as one can get because the bottom, the victim, controlled MY reactions, controlled the reactions of the others who helped them deal with the trauma of it all.

Did I get a thrill from it. *head shake* NO. But I felt blessed and trusted because those survivors came TO ME to help them deal with it in a way that would allow them to reclaim the sexuality that had been damaged by another.

I am not preaching, nor do I think I will change your mind...

but even though you and I and others will NEVER understand the fantasy aspect of it...others do get a charge from it and as long as the fantasy is ultimately consensual...well it ain't none of my business.

 

[infinity706]

I don't think I'd have much of a shot in the governor of Virginia race. I'm probably the most liberal person on this side of the state. It's not like a week goes by that I'm not ranting about some dumb shit Virginia politicians are talking about.