Obama Calls For Mandatory Voting In U.S.

[Wrong Element]

I love how Vette uses the ominous phrase "mandatory law" as if that's somehow worse than a law that you can obey only if you kinda feel like it.

Obama never proposed a mandatory voting law. Obama never even proposed mandatory voting. Obama said it would be a good idea if everybody voted, that is all. He said nothing about making it mandatory.

That was obvious to anyone who read what Obama said. It wasn't as obvious if all you read was the news stories about the comments -- another sterling moment for American journalism.

I'm not sure I'd be in favor of such a law, and since it will literally never come to pass -- keep in mind that everyone in elective office now won their seats via non-mandatory voting -- it's not worth much effort to think about. But what is it about the idea of everyone voting, or even encouraging people to vote, that gets so many people upset?

The "we the people" constitutional conservative types don't seem terribly interested in what "the people" think, which is why the first thing the Tea Party does when it wins power anywhere is make it harder to vote.

My argument is, the founders never contemplated compulsory voting, neither does the Constitution as written. The right to vote, a form of speech, implies a right not to vote, as remaining silent can be a statement in itself. I'm sorry you're so invested in bigger government and tyranny, so ready to have your liberty dictated to you. Pray that those who do will always be on your side.

The opinion of the framers is important, but it hasn't stopped the Constitution from being amended a whole lotta times.

Also, you refer to "the right to vote." As Scalia gloated during the arguments over Florida in 2000, there is no such thing.

 

[miles]

dude, you live in a trailer and can't afford new tires for your home.

That right there is funny....I don't care who you are.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Each viewer is unique, and their reasons for choosing which brand of entertainment is unique.

Not really, no, not for these purposes. The categories of viewers produced by demographic studies are more useful in understanding who watches what and why.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I would not trust any network, CBS, ABC, and NBC or CNN. They all have an agenda of promoting liberal causes.

But, they don't. They're run by MBAs in suits who sit on the boards of interlocking directorates. Their agenda is the next quarter's bottom line. They have various editorial positions, but not one of them, not even MSNBC, has a political agenda in the sense that Fox has a political agenda -- which it has because Roger Ailes has a political agenda that is even more important to him than his bottom line.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

But, they don't. I'm a juice smoker.

derp and erp and derp!

get a job kingofDerp!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Absolutely. TV news is entertainment, period. To contrast the minuscule audience of MSNBC (100,000 nationwide???) and Fox is idiotic. No serious statistician would draw the parallel. Each viewer is unique, and their reasons for choosing which brand of entertainment is unique. At least compare to comedy central so audience size is similar, but it would still be meaningless.

A serious study would seek to determine what sources the person did read and watch. What percentage of time was devoted to each activity?

Nah....still trying measure/quantify how bad the "telephone game" is screwing up info and who's buying the bullshit that comes out the line.

It's a big circle jerk exercise so the partisan twats out there can point at each other and go "Poopie head!! see yer dumb!!" like a bunch of adult third graders.

But, they don't. They're run by MBAs in suits who sit on the boards of interlocking directorates. Their agenda is the next quarter's bottom line. They have various editorial positions, but not one of them, not even MSNBC, has a political agenda in the sense that Fox has a political agenda -- which it has because Roger Ailes has a political agenda that is even more important to him than his bottom line.

Your partisan loonyship is showing....bad. MSN is fucking horrible dude, if they rode Obamas dick any harder POTUS would have chafing issues and a hard time walking. (D) can do NO wrong...EVER according to MSN....all bad things (R).

Just because you agree and enjoy the stroking doesn't make MSN not a LW circle jerk news station not even most liburhulz take seriously.

 

[ishtat]

Couple of facts:

Prior to the introduction of compulsory voting in Australia in 1924 the results were as follows:-

Left of centre parties won government 52% of the time

Right of centre parties won government 48% of the time

After Compulsory voting:-

Left of centre parties won government 33% of the time.

Right of centre parties won 67 % of the time.

Mebbe Vette needs to re-think!

The theorists always assume that more voters will produce a left wing result. They always under-estimate the conservatism of blue collar working class and lower middle class voters.

Perhaps of more importance than compulsory voting was compulsory registration to vote which came 12 years earlier. There are a number of ways to make the states toe the line should it be considered in the USA.

Finally despite compulsory voting Australia is at least as free a society as the USA. As I have lived in the UK, USA and Australia for at least 8 years each, they are all reasonably free, all constrained by the rule of law, but in different ways.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The theorists always assume that more voters will produce a left wing result. They always under-estimate the conservatism of blue collar working class and lower middle class voters.

Conservatism as it is known in the US is ANTI blue collar/working/middle/lower middle class.

IDK what conservatives in Australia are like but I don't think on a whole they are anywhere near as 'scorch the Earth, anything for a buck' as the American conservatives. Especially not over the past 6 years......whoooo nigrah in whyte haus has the (R) alllll kinds of bent the fuck outta shape and pissed the fuck off like NEVER before.

US conservatives are anti HC, education, public services and they utterly LOATHE veterans. Just a bunch of parasitic shit from society they don't want to do anything with but scrape off their shoes and be done with as soon as they aren't an asset to be used.....

 

[ishtat]

Conservatism as it is known in the US is ANTI blue collar/working/middle/lower middle class.

IDK what conservatives in Australia are like but I don't think on a whole they are anywhere near as 'scorch the Earth, anything for a buck' as the American conservatives. Especially not over the past 6 years......whoooo nigrah in whyte haus has the (R) alllll kinds of bent the fuck outta shape and pissed the fuck off like NEVER before.

US conservatives are anti HC, education, public services and they utterly LOATHE veterans. Just a bunch of parasitic shit from society they don't want to do anything with but scrape off their shoes and be done with as soon as they aren't an asset to be used.....

Firstly don't confuse (organised) Conservatism with a capital C with conservatism with a small c. The working and poorer classes in all societies are deeply conservative on social issues, for examples, homosexuality, religious (in)tolerance, Racial views.

Our large C Conservatives who presently form government (Ironically they are called the Liberal Party) have recently given massive tax relief to corporations whilst edging up the demands made on the poor. They are trying to significantly increase medical fees to please wealthy Doctors. They have tried to massively jack up the cost of University education and have threatened the jobs (and funding) of thousands of research workers if they do not get their way. Our Prime Minister last week declared that the third world living conditions of our blacks was a "lifestyle choice." In fact, if you saw an Aboriginal encampment it would make the average US black ghetto look like a paradise.

You have a negro in the White House. We had a woman in the Prime ministers office for three years. The abuse she copped was beyond anything Obama has experienced. At least Americans have some respect for the office ,if not the occupant.

So in conclusion I think our Conservative politicians are pretty much the same as yours.

But having said all that I think you are just as bad as your opponents. How on earth can any sensible debate develop if all you want to do is refer to the opposition as 'parasitic shit'. Ranting won't cut it for either side.

 

[miles]

Originally Posted by BotanyBoy View Post
Conservatism as it is known in the US is ANTI blue collar/working/middle/lower middle class.

US conservatives are anti HC, education, public services and they utterly LOATHE veterans. Just a bunch of parasitic shit from society they don't want to do anything with but scrape off their shoes and be done with as soon as they aren't an asset to be used....

That's some of the most ignorant shit I've ever seen in my life. Who said smoking pot doesn't make you stupid?

That shit is frying your few remaining brain cells. Try some crystal meth and finish the job.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Firstly don't confuse (organised) Conservatism with a capital C with conservatism with a small c.

Conservatism with a capital C only exist because conservatism with a small c supports it....you like vette can try to separate "true" conservatives with "establishment" conservatives all you want but that's just a bullshit cop out to keep from owning the consequences of the individuals exercise of their political power. You send them your money and votes....fucking own their bullshit for ONCE. If you were the SOLE conservative on this board to have EVER done so....I would be shocked and never ever in a million years shit talk you for being a partisan hack.

Unlike that worthless GOP dick sucker vetteman.

The working and poorer classes in all societies are deeply conservative on social issues, for examples, homosexuality, religious (in)tolerance, Racial views.

Maybe so....I don't think that's the case in the US unless you start getting region specific, but it could be.

Our large C Conservatives who presently form government (Ironically they are called the Liberal Party) have recently given massive tax relief to corporations whilst edging up the demands made on the poor. They are trying to significantly increase medical fees to please wealthy Doctors. ~*

True story...

But having said all that I think you are just as bad as your opponents.

Opponents? LOL I love how conservatives automatically think just because I'm not toeing that party line like a good lil Theocon trooper that makes me a flamin' liburhul....LMFAO.

I'm not a bazzilionaire, I have no political power or say so in how my government is run in any way shape form or fashion. I don't vote and I don't send any of those fucking cunts in either my state or national capitals my money.

Therefore I'm apolitical and have no opponents.....go on and ask Rob/KO/DanC how liburhual I am, they all think I'm a teahaddist. I call their bullshit and lulz at the hypocrisy/double standards/bullshittin just as quick and dog the white man haters for the racist shit stains they are too.

How on earth can any sensible debate develop if all you want to do is refer to the opposition as 'parasitic shit'. Ranting won't cut it for either side.

I'm sorry I should have said it's conservatives that look at poor folks/vets/the disabled as parasitic shit to be scraped off their boots. That's how conservatives think the elite should treat the less than privileged....here in the US anyhow. They want the police all up in poor folks crotches, bedrooms and gardens. All that bullshit about limited government, will of the people and individual liberty....bunch of fucking liars.

They have not the tiniest problem shitting all over that the second it's convenient for their agenda then pretending it never happened....just ask vetteman.

That's some of the most ignorant shit I've ever seen in my life. Who said smoking pot doesn't make you stupid?

That shit is frying your few remaining brain cells. Try some crystal meth and finish the job.

I noticed instead of showing your precious GOP's voting record to help vets and poor people you went to "butt...butt...POT HEAD!" lol....gee I wonder why?

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Alright....I gotta go make so much money it would hurt all you fuckers feelings....be back later.
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[BotanyBoy]

He could be a poster boy for the evils of drug use. Conservatives "loathe" Veterans? Fucking crazy, many of us are veterans who come from families full of veterans.

When it comes time to open your wallets to take care of them though how do the conservatives of America vote through the GOP?

They vote fuck vets......every time.

So fuckin' spare me about the bullshit of " many of us are veterans who come from families full of veterans" that doesn't change how conservatives vote....

On a political/economic level, conservatives fucking HATE having to take care of the vets who get fucked up in the line of duty......or hell just vets that don't have any kind of support.

And that's something you can't fucking worm your way out of and that's why you won't even step to me with anything but hot air old man......otherwise you would be cramming the GOP voting record down my throat and talking up a shit storm while you were at it.

Just whatever you do don't own it and criticized the GOP for being such fucks...no no no suck that (R) knob you partisan fuckin' cunt.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

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[miles]

He could be a poster boy for the evils of drug use. Conservatives "loathe" Veterans? Fucking crazy, many of us are veterans who come from families full of veterans.

Crazy you can fix. Stupidity, not so much.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Crazy you can fix. Stupidity, not so much.

Oh look....more hot air...less proof.

Real shocker considering the source.....

 

[Comshaw]

He could be a poster boy for the evils of drug use. Conservatives "loathe" Veterans? Fucking crazy, many of us are veterans who come from families full of veterans.

That's true: Conservatives love veterans....AS LONG as they are of the same political bend. Let a vet decide to deviate from the "TRUE PATH", wander to the horrible liberal side of the political spectrum and all of that rhetoric, all of that moral sounding support for the much beloved *Veteran* disappears like a fart in the wind.

When it does it is replaced with poisonous rants, venomous raves, buried by high sounding but morally questionable qualifiers, designed solely to sully the person by heaping dispersions on their service to their country, while at the same time defending and idolizing those who have given equal service, or in some cases less.

I know you're going to puff up and tell me I'm an idiot, a moron, probably add several more 3rd. grade school yard insults. But all anyone has to do is go back over the last 15 years in politics to know what I speak is total truth.

You should be so proud to be a veteran. I honor anyone who serves this country. BUT you really shouldn't be proud of being a back biting snake who denigrates and demeans a fellow vet for no other reason then to uphold a political agenda.

Thank you for your service.

Fuck you for your slimy ass biting of fellow vets.


'nuff said.



Comshaw

 

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[BotanyBoy]

I will only say, I have great respect for every veteran's service to his country, I don't however have respect for every veteran, there's a difference. Let me say as well, that you, Comshaw, can fill the air with "poisonous rants, venomous raves, buried by high sounding but morally questionable qualifiers" yourself. You give us great examples every time you post, but thankfully at least as far as I'm concerned, they "disappear like a fart in the wind."

Until you have to pay for it ya big fuckin' liar....then you vote "Go fuck yerself!!" and do so proudly.

Quit lying to everyone and most importantly YOURSELF.....(R) is no friend of veterans at large. They love the ones that go into an (R) controlled industry or some way become a political pawn used by some congress critter to blow sunshine up FOX viewers asses. But otherwise we are just a bunch of parasites bleeding the government dry to your average republican. God damn home loans and GI bills are BREAKING americas bank....LOL fucking assholes.

 

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[BotanyBoy]

Yer full of shit and lies. I support funding our veterans completely, So fuck you lame brain.

Really?


I had no idea you were such a Democrat......

Because the GOP are a bunch of fucking misers when it comes to cleaning up the human mess back home of wars they love to have abroad.

You do know that right? That's not Obama....it's not the democrats it's the fuckin Republicans, point god damn blank, that HATE veterans. Well vets that cost money anyhow....they fucking LOVE the freebees.

 

[Liar]

There is no logic on your side KO, it wasn't FOX News who produced the majority of Obama voters who have brought tyranny to the doorstep of the once free civil society, violence to the Constitution and chaos to the rest of the free world.

Somebody needs a hug.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

this is obamaland .... comrade


you are no longer free


you are property of the state


the evil obama

 

[KingOrfeo]

But, they don't. They're run by MBAs in suits who sit on the boards of interlocking directorates. Their agenda is the next quarter's bottom line. They have various editorial positions, but not one of them, not even MSNBC, has a political agenda in the sense that Fox has a political agenda -- which it has because Roger Ailes has a political agenda that is even more important to him than his bottom line.

15 things everyone would know if there were a liberal media.

 

[miles]

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