Obama Priorities

[phrodeau]

So the Obama admin actually did something, and you're complaining about it?

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Show me the link.

New Deal.

Fair Deal. (He tried.)

War on Poverty. (Not a failure, BTW, had considerable success, might have had much more if the Vietnam War had not drained the funding from more important things.)

 

[phrodeau]

Obama's biggest priority, giving Iran a nuclear weapon:

Iran: The ‘Americans Are Begging Us for a Deal’
‘Iran prepares itself for war with global powers’

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-the-americans-are-begging-us-for-a-deal/

You're the one who wants to give Iran a nuclear weapon... with a lit fuse.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

I didn't see where the Chief of Staffs were sent out to count derelicts and hobos across the fruited plain, can you point me to the correct sentences?

I did not say FDR, Truman, LBJ did that, I said they did more than that for the poor. Obama should learn from their example. But this fact-finding trip is something worthwhile, at any rate.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

So you finally make my point that Obama is the first President to send his Chief of Staff to count derelicts and hobos across the fruited plain. You must be saying that nobody in the Obama administration, or any subordinate below his Chief of Staff, has the mental acuity to count derelicts and hobos across the fruited plain.

Tens of thousands of bureaucrats wringing their hands over the issue, an army of liberal academics studying the issue for decades at the state and federal level have produced no data as credible as that discovered by the White House Chief of Staff trudging along the streets of America's skid rows?

He just did it to get a look at the situation with his own eyes.

Isn't that something you would want pols and civil servants to do a whole lot more, instead of just relying on reports? People are always calling them "out of touch" -- this is a way to become less so.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

Just so I have a standard to hold this to, is this better or worse than Obama and Christie having a photo-op after Sandy instead of staying out of the way of important work and channeling money and man power to Obama's security that would have been better suited filling sandbags at the time?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Not unless I had zero faith in the ability of my subordinates, or any of the existing data being generated by California government officials already on the ground. We're talking about possibly the second most powerful person in government walking the streets of San Francisco's skid row personally counting derelicts and hobos. LOL.

Wait, the President's chief of staff is the second most powerful person in government?

Someone better tell the Vice President.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wait, the President's chief of staff is the second most powerful person in government?

Someone better tell the Vice President.

Actually I think there are a lot of people who'd like to be informed of that.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

The fucking Vice President is a figurehead. He has no authority not ceded to him by the White house except his constitutional duty to the Senate. You can gauge his power by how many times White House staffers have told him to shut the fuck up in his public comments.

No authority not dictated to him by his boss (other than being President of the Senate). Also next in line for President should something happen to the President (Gods forbid).

What is the President's Chief of Staff next in line for as the "second most powerful person in government"? Unemployment?

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Stupid argument, The White House Chief of Staff exercises real power when he is employed. The Vice President exercises none, until he's employed either in the Senate or as a successor to the President. Meanwhile, he a figurehead.

What power would that be exactly?

Nothing not expressly granted to him or her by the President. The White House Chief of Staff typically oversees the actions of the White House staff, manages the president's schedule, and decides who is allowed to meet with the president.

Now that's REAL POWER... His duties are essentially the same as our company CEO's Administrative Assistant. I'll be sure to point out to her that she's the second most powerful person in the company, not in front of the General Manager or Director of the Front office or any number of other Executive Committee members though.

 

[Sean Renaud]

In fairness UD, at my old office the bosses Secretary was the most powerful person in the business and everybody knew it. Sure her power was that of the schedule but the boss didn't do much without her telling him and if you pissed her off she'd tell the boss and you'd hear about it. He was about as in charge as the average man is of his family.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

In fairness UD, at my old office the bosses Secretary was the most powerful person in the business and everybody knew it. Sure her power was that of the schedule but the boss didn't do much without her telling him and if you pissed her off she'd tell the boss and you'd hear about it. He was about as in charge as the average man is of his family.

It doesn't sound like your boss was much of a leader then if he did little without her say so.

But I was speaking of my CEO's Administrative assistant. She keeps his schedule, sure. But she wouldn't presume to think for an instant that she was the most powerful person in the company after her boss. Not even 4th, or tenth.

Vetteman's assertion that the President's Chief of Staff is the second most powerful person in the government is hogwash.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It doesn't sound like your boss was much of a leader then if he did little without her say so.

But I was speaking of my CEO's Administrative assistant. She keeps his schedule, sure. But she wouldn't presume to think for an instant that she was the most powerful person in the company after her boss. Not even 4th, or tenth.

Vetteman's assertion that the President's Chief of Staff is the second most powerful person in the government is hogwash.

He was the owner, not the leader. And he was probably the only person who pretended not to know.

I find that AA's in general wield a fair a mount of power in practice even if NONE of it is on paper. If they lose your message it's more likely on you than her unless that shit happens so often it's obvious and if she says you were on time you were as long as the Boss hadn't asked for whatever before you got it in, etc, etc.

Vetteman is still insane.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Biden has very little actual authority. Some veeps, such as Cheney, wielded quite a bit, but Jolted Joe is not one of them. If I had to say who had the second most authority in the gov. right now, I would say it is the speaker of the house.

You have probably heard the old joke: There were two brothers. One grew up and went to sea and the other grew up and became vice president of the USA. Neither was ever heard of again.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Biden has very little actual authority. Some veeps, such as Cheney, wielded quite a bit, but Jolted Joe is not one of them. If I had to say who had the most authority in the gov. right now, I would say it is the speaker of the house.

You have probably heard the old joke: There were two brothers. One grew up and went to sea and the other grew up and became vice president of the USA. Neither was ever heard of again.

Since VetteBigot turned tail and ran like his ass was on fire and his hair was catching maybe you would like to explain exactly how the President's Chief of Staff is the "second most powerful person in government".


Orange John? Now that's a fucking hoot.
The Speaker of the House has very little actual power or authority. It could be most easily compared to being a cat herder.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Since VetteBigot turned tail and ran like his ass was on fire and his hair was catching maybe you would like to explain exactly how the President's Chief of Staff is the "second most powerful person in government".


Orange John? Now that's a fucking hoot.
The Speaker of the House has very little actual power or authority. It could be most easily compared to being a cat herder.

^^^^Spends half his year as Bruce Jenner and the other half as Tammie Faye Bakker.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Since VetteBigot turned tail and ran like his ass was on fire and his hair was catching maybe you would like to explain exactly how the President's Chief of Staff is the "second most powerful person in government".


Orange John? Now that's a fucking hoot.
The Speaker of the House has very little actual power or authority. It could be most easily compared to being a cat herder.

"Powerful" might be the wrong word, since the COS has no real authority. However, he or she has a great deal of influence. which can translate to power.

When Karl Rove was W's deputy chief of staff, did you complain about how much authority he had? I know some on this forum did.

The current speaker has no influence on the Pres. but he and his opposite number in the Senate have a great deal of authority of their own. Either of these two can expedite proposed legislation or delay or even kill it. They appoint people to committees or remove them and, in general exercise power in Congress.

 

[KingOrfeo]

"Powerful" might be the wrong word, since the COS has no real authority. However, he or she has a great deal of influence. which can translate to power.

Sounds like just the person to send on a fact-finding mission, then.