Obama the worst president of all time?

[Sean Renaud]

I swear, you just regurgitate Democratic talking points.

60 is a false threshold. The Senate can and does rewrite the rules at the beginning of every session. They even did this recently to allow some of Obama's nominees through. Obama and the Democratic caucus in the Senate only had to deal with the filibuster because they wanted it there as an excuse to not enact an agenda that would piss off the contributor class.

Because they were sick and tired of the bullshit. It was getting rediculous. And just because they can doesn't mean they do. For political reason the rules are not traditionally changed. You can believe whatever stupid shit you want. The reality is they had to deal with the filibuster because it was in the rules and the political fall out of nulling the rules like that would have been catastrophic. Which is why they NEVER did it.

 

[JackLuis]

It is unfair to call Berry the "WORST", unless you call "W" the 'Worstest', or Billy the "worsed worstest". Both of them made actual mistakes, or took the money and did what 'the Darklords' demanded.

Bill rescinded Glas-Seagal, setting us up for the housing bubble bursting and the resulting chaos.

While "W" handed us a unnecessary, and silly war which he "put on the Card" for the Great Grandkids to pay off. "W" fucked the Afghan war by trying to 'outsource' OBL's capture with Afghani forces. And, and he looked and sounded stupid doing it!

Obama has just been a minor speedbump on the progressive highway, causing just enough disturbance to blunt the discomfort to the Eastern Establishment on Wall St., but kept us out of anymore ditches. Obama is a Chicago Pol but he talks nice.

 

[Setanta84]

Because they were sick and tired of the bullshit. It was getting rediculous. And just because they can doesn't mean they do. For political reason the rules are not traditionally changed. You can believe whatever stupid shit you want. The reality is they had to deal with the filibuster because it was in the rules and the political fall out of nulling the rules like that would have been catastrophic. Which is why they NEVER did it.

Oh, yes, the political fallout of making the most undemocratic chamber in the federal government more democratic and actually passing actually popular laws would have been SO CATASTROPHIC in a democratic republic.

Do you actually think when you're writing?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh, yes, the political fallout of making the most undemocratic chamber in the federal government more democratic and actually passing actually popular laws would have been SO CATASTROPHIC in a democratic republic.

Do you actually think when you're writing?

It wouldn't make it more democratic, it would make it less so. In fact the filibuster exists for just that reason.

 

[Setanta84]

It wouldn't make it more democratic, it would make it less so. In fact the filibuster exists for just that reason.

OK, it's official, you're a moron.

How does a filibuster--a legislative device specifically designed to thwart the will of an elected majority--make a body more democratic? Have you looked up the concept of a democracy?

 

[phrodeau]

OK, it's official, you're a moron.

How does a filibuster--a legislative device specifically designed to thwart the will of an elected majority--make a body more democratic? Have you looked up the concept of a democracy?

The Senate isn't structured to represent the citizens proportionately.

 

[Setanta84]

The Senate isn't structured to represent the citizens proportionately.

That's an argument against the Senate/bicameral structure of Congress. Not an argument for the filibuster.

 

[Sean Renaud]

OK, it's official, you're a moron.

How does a filibuster--a legislative device specifically designed to thwart the will of an elected majority--make a body more democratic? Have you looked up the concept of a democracy?

It's not designed to thwart the will of an elected majority. That is how it is used today because it has been altered in how it functions but that is not what it's designed for.

 

[Setanta84]

It's not designed to thwart the will of an elected majority. That is how it is used today because it has been altered in how it functions but that is not what it's designed for.

It was designed exactly for that, to keep anti-lynching laws off the books by the Southern racists in the body.

The only thing that is new is that, yes, dual tracking it stops all work in the body, not just work on a particular bil. All the more reason to get rid of it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh wow, you are uniformed.

 

[Setanta84]

Oh wow, you are uniformed.

Somebody whose every utterance in a political debate can be traced back to a campaign white paper on messaging really shouldn't throw that type of word around. It's like a virgin calling a spinster underfucked.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's not me, I'd love to hear what campaign you think I get my information from though. It's probably easier than being informed and if they sound like me that means they are informed. I might as well take the lazy way out.

 

[Setanta84]

That's not me, I'd love to hear what campaign you think I get my information from though. It's probably easier than being informed and if they sound like me that means they are informed. I might as well take the lazy way out.

I'm a Democratic campaign professional in field and communications. You have literally never said anything on any subject that either I or someone like me did not write in a literal white paper position for campaigns.

You're not informed, you're not a thinking person--you're a child who repeats what he's told in political advertising.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While I think you're lying about your profession if you're not all you're admiting is to being well informed and honest. I don't read the white papers, don't listen to politicians speak except a few times for each election. I'm completely unaware of these programs you speak of. I'd like to be guided towards them because it's a bitch reading multiple papers on these subjects to come out educated. So please guide me to the site you work on because it will save me hours a day that I'd rather dedicate to playing League of Legends.

 

[BotanyBoy]

He had supermajorities in Congress that could have passed FDR-like radical economic reform and immediately solved the crisis. Instead, he bailed out the banks--they got several trillion dollars in aid while the rest of the country got less a couple hundred billion dollars less than a single trillion. And most of that was in subsidies to big business and tax cuts.

Yea?? And this makes him worse than the last 50 years of presidents how exactly???

Also, the numbers show the wealth the middle class accumulated since FDR has basically vanished.

NOTHING to do with Obama, they were vanishing YEARS before anyone even knew who the fuck he was because all fingers and indicators point to China butt fucking us dry and cheating us like mother fuckers as the cause of the vanishing middle class in America.

Obamas hands are FAR cleaner than both Clinton and Bush's in this matter...and anyone with a clue knows it.

He didn't unfuck shit. The job numbers only look good if you don't factor in things like population growth IN ADDITION TO the unemployment and underemployment from the recession and take the long-term unemployed off the books.

Once again a mild improvement is not the worst POTUS ever and a failed presidency.....the economy is considerably better off than the way the last POTUS left it. You absolutely CAN NOT use the economy as an example of Obama being the worst POTUS/failed presidency. The guy before him CRASHED the fucker full speed ahead......and during Obamas presidency things have improved considerably.

That's NOT a failure.

Barry didn't "have to" do a national version of Romneycare,

OH yes he did...he had a damn near IMPOSSIBLE time selling a republicans a republican HC plan...

Could you have imagined a UHC plan? Nope...wouldn't have happened....Republicans just hate Americans and cheaper, more effective HC THAT much.

like he didn't have to take the Hoover approach to a demand crisis. He did both--and writes regressive budgets--because that's who he is as a policymaker.

I never said he didn't step on his dick or was perfect...lot of things I don't like about the guy, he is the most anti drug POTUS since Reagan. A total dick who lies through his teeth....

But he's far from the worst POTUS in US history...or a failed presidency.

He told Jennifer Granholm that national Romneycare was the plan roughly two years before they officially unveiled the bill. It was not a compromise. It is the bill he wanted because it is what the lobbyists wanted and the guy is a fucking empty suit whose sole joys in life are his own reflection, acquiring wealth, and murdering people with flying robots.

Once again I ask, how is that any worse than any other POTUS in the past 50 60 years?

As for the murdering people with flying robots...old news every POTUS does that, AMERICANS however that's a first and arguably one of the nastier things O has done......just my opinion that regardless of the crime all citizens deserve due process....

But if Bush and that whole PATRIOT act shit never happened this would have never happened.

And the Gitmo thing isn't fair to blame on Obama. Maybe he could have tried harder the Republicans in Congress and governors both shut him down. I think people have a real bad habit of forgetting he's not a dictator.

True....I'm far more inclined to bitch at him about the forever Iraq/Afghanistan wars he said he was going to end, and just changed the name on and moved some troops around instead.

Nothing.

"Talking heads" is a great name for the group (including those on this board) as they keep saying/typing these claims without bothering to even try & think of reasons for these claims. (If they had, they could go quite some time before realizing they have few-if-any.)

They also don't seem to understand that I'm not asking for a list of fucked up shit every POTUS since WWII practically has done.....

Bomb bitches
pander to big money
lie through their teeth
ignoring the plight of some poor 3rd world fucks
sticking our nose into other poor 3rd world fucks bidnizz and harassing them.
Wealth re-distribution
and a laundry list of "shit I just don't like but got outvoted on"

Nothing legit like, starting two wars, slashing taxes because you didn't feel like paying for them, crashing the economy and tossing the deuces before popping the canopy...
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You can't even get on his personal character...he didn't even get caught fucking around on the 1st lady or so much as littering. The worst thing they have on him? Smoked weed in college....OHHHHHH which gets back to being no different than a number of other presidents. Like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.... total potheads.

If anything he's the most tepid trying to play middle ground to a fault, follow the rule book and beat bitches to death with it POTUS of mediocrity ever....the man has mad an art form of it in politics. That is to say, nothing crazy, just more of the same old shit....never went full bore for the jugular on anything, just half assed everything.

The only difference in our POTUS today and the ones of the last 35-40 years at LEAST?....he's black.

 

[phrodeau]

While I think you're lying about your profession if you're not all you're admiting is to being well informed and honest. I don't read the white papers, don't listen to politicians speak except a few times for each election. I'm completely unaware of these programs you speak of. I'd like to be guided towards them because it's a bitch reading multiple papers on these subjects to come out educated. So please guide me to the site you work on because it will save me hours a day that I'd rather dedicate to playing League of Legends.

I'd like to see a link to that, too.

Think he'll follow through, or just disappear for a week again?

 

[Sean Renaud]

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If anything he's the most tepid trying to play middle ground to a fault, follow the rule book and beat bitches to death with it POTUS of mediocrity ever....the man has mad an art form of it in politics. That is to say, nothing crazy, just more of the same old shit....never went full bore for the jugular on anything, just half assed everything.

The only difference in our POTUS today and the ones of the last 35-40 years at LEAST?....he's black.

Exactly. If the man tried any harder to please the Republicans he'd call for his own impeachment.

I'd like to see a link to that, too.

Think he'll follow through, or just disappear for a week again?

Probably be a bit quiet for a while.

 

[dan_c00000]

His #1 goal since he was sworn in was actually destroying Medicare and Social Security--he attended a lunch hosted by Pete Peterson that day.

What? This isn't even close to accurate. Go re-read literally any newspaper article and see which party votes early and often against welfare. I'd call you a fucking moron but I think that'd be a total waste of time.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's an argument against the Senate/bicameral structure of Congress.

And a very good one, too.

 

[lous_reed]

Claiming O'bama is the worst president ever, before his time has been analized through the prism of history is unfair. Each president has faced unique circumstances and challenges that cannot be compared in a short span of history, if they can truly be compared. Please consider that alternate outcomes of decisions are not guaranteed and we only have results of choices or compromises that are made, ie we will never know if staying Irag was better then leaving.

What we do know is that money and greed is the root of all evil and pits us against each other. ie we are more concerned about our welfare system being gamed by people than we are about how much corporations are gaming the system. Who really is the big winner/loser

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well the prism of history is constantly changing so that's a bit pointless and. . your second paragraph disqualifies you from having an opinion.

 

[lous_reed]

Well the prism of history is constantly changing so that's a bit pointless and. . your second paragraph disqualifies you from having an opinion.

Perhaps....but it is no different then your rants so what are your qualifications to having an opinion....in fact what qualifies any of us to have an opinion

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I keep hearing this and other things like he was a complete failure from the talking heads right on down to the GOP dick suckers on this very board.

Yet for the 10,000 fucking times I've heard it said not a SINGLE explanation is given...

Dear RWCJ....what the fuck are you talking about?

What exactly did Obama do that is so horrible? So fail?

that's because your head is up Rob's ass .... thank God, you have shoulders as that dental exam is painful

 

[NeverEndingMe]

What? This isn't even close to accurate. Go re-read literally any newspaper article and see which party votes early and often against welfare. I'd call you a fucking moron but I think that'd be a total waste of time.

yes, your kind loves welfare

you love das obama because you love being a slave

 

[Sean Renaud]

Perhaps....but it is no different then your rants so what are your qualifications to having an opinion....in fact what qualifies any of us to have an opinion

I actually don't rant. There are plenty here who do but I don't really do that. However anybody who preaches that money is the root of all evil should consider the absolute blood bath the world would be without it. That's what money ultimately is, an exchange so I don't have to kill you.