obamacare RIP! may you retards get a job and pay for it!

[journey1970]

It is welfare.

People that don't want it are forced to buy it or pay a fine which lowers the cost for the parasites using it.

Also it makes companies give insurance to people that ALREADY have a condition... it's like buying insurance while your car is rolling down a hill or a fire is spreading in your house!

People who have conditions deserve medical treatment as well, considering that basically ANY condition was grounds to refuse medical insurance to a person, what does that say about the insurance racket?

 

[journey1970]

Nothing considering it is no longer the case...

Fifteen years ago, I was diagnosed with a condition I've never believed I truly have. Every "specialist" I saw since then due to my diagnosis, I believed they only saw me from the first appointment due to that (mistaken) diagnosis & the added $ they would get from the added ins. due to the added patient.

I don't doubt that doctors use the system to make more money, they have always been doing that, it's not something new sadly.

My statement was in response to the poster who complained about people with conditionsbeing able to receive treatment now.

I guess that person thinks that is a bad thing *shrug* Personally I would rather a population that is able to get basic care rather than not.

 

[journey1970]

Doubting doctors manipulate the system to their own ends (financial or otherwise) is simply not an option or being realistic anymore.

However, while I can see the positive side of your "rather" (so don't take this as a knock at all), leaving it open for everyone to get care is likewise not a good idea.

Ironically, just last night, I was posting on social media that I had taken 2 pills & 2 shots simultaneously for things I've been diagnosed with. If I have them, that's all well & good (perhaps great)... But wasn't it around the time of her infamous other criminal pursuits reports started to come out of Winona & other celebs (eventually including many athletes) doing what I recall being called "doctor-shopping" so they could more than anyone would actually need of prescription (as opposed to "street") pills & other drugs?!

As someone who has had to fight with doctors to NOT be put on more medications I know that they are in it for the money, not all, but most.

Other countries enable people to have basic care, check ups etc and seem to do alright with it, I don't think it is a bad thing, the implementation was bad. Who can be called on the carpet for that though?

 

[journey1970]

Nobody, b/c it is not the setup nor implementation that is the problem.

I don't recall reading this or hearing it in school, but I know the saying goes, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

As Michael Moore (as good a candidate as anyone on the ballot tomorrow) showed in one of his films, Canada does fine with not as much talk/action of guns & a great healthcare system.

That said, though, just look at our (well, at least, my) native country... Need we look at each of us having doctors trying to add meds (I had one lower my dosage of one while writing an "Rx" for a second, I never filled) or cops shooting people literally to death to prove that whether it's the average citizen or the one expected to punish the rule-breakers, 1 is a near-guarantee to go wrong?!

Perhaps that makes it ironic that I spent some of my evening Googling who I might be able to write-in for President in my state tomorrow.

I think Canada does a great job, but I know of those who think it doesn't.
IMHO they are mistaken, but opinions are like assholes....we all have em.

I recently had a fight with a doc who wanted to change a med that is working to try a different one...when I said No he argued ..told me I was wrong to stick with what is working. I walked out lol

 

[NeverEndingMe]

are you trying to be a retard?

Doubting doctors manipulate the system to their own ends (financial or otherwise) is simply not an option or being realistic anymore.

However, while I can see the positive side of your "rather" (so don't take this as a knock at all), leaving it open for everyone to get care is likewise not a good idea.

Ironically, just last night, I was posting on social media that I had taken 2 pills & 2 shots simultaneously for things I've been diagnosed with. If I have them, that's all well & good (perhaps great)... But wasn't it around the time of her infamous other criminal pursuits reports started to come out of Winona & other celebs (eventually including many athletes) doing what I recall being called "doctor-shopping" so they could more than anyone would actually need of prescription (as opposed to "street") pills & other drugs?!

 

[journey1970]

My first "specialist" for the disease I wrote about before I never believed I had got upset after a while b/c I was refusing to take the med they put me on for it.

One visit, he handed me a stack of boxes of another med.

I asked, "Is this in place of (largely-known, unspecific name of med I was refusing to take)?"

He whispered to me, "It's in place of (same word)."

Soon Googled it, & learned it had nothing to do with that disease, nor was it FDA-approved for my age group.

I never took it, left him a while later, & he closed that office years later.

I have run into that more than once, they call it "off label" I call it ridiculously dangeorus.

 

[srgreene]

What's so bad about it?
Sure it's a gift cheque to private insurance and healthcare providers, but it's still helped out millions of people. No?

It was sold under utterly false pretenses. ("If you like your insurance, you can keep it", knowing full well he was changing the game rules entirely). And the tab just keeps growing- and the deficits, cost overruns, and losses keep accumulating.

But yes, it has helped some people- at the cost of hurting others. People who do not qualify for the large subsidies are often faced with paying considerably more for medical insurance. Next year there will be a very substantial increase in the number of counties where there is only one insurance company for "Obamacare" recipients.

Moreover, Americans have lost yet more liberty. There was a time in my life when I did not have medical insurance, and while I knew I wanted it, it never occurrIted to me that someone else was obliged to provide it. It is simply wrong to force people to buy something. And maybe the insurance I would want doesn't meet AHCA standards- perhaps I just want accident insurance. I should have that right, but thanks to Obama, Hillary, and Pelosi (and you, I would say) I do not have that legal right. Those who would sacrifice their liberty for a little security deserve neither.

One way I think we've gone wrong is in having such an expensive health care system. Don't get me wrong, I would like to have an MRI if I needed it. But I don't think it would be a tragedy if some portion of our population had to live with the health care technology that was available when I was born (it wasn't thaaaaaat long ago).

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Some of what you wrote makes me think you would never get accident insurance, as there'd be no way to guarantee anything was truly an accident.

Also, lives are all near-circular. If you believe you're not one of those people you describe as undeserving, you are even more undeserving as you are thoughtlessly denying facts about yourself (that you likely see as true regarding others).

dude, you are a piece of shit. you live off the backs of others. a lazy mother fucker that consumes welfare so that you can escape responsibility and not work

get a fucking job

 

[journey1970]

No. I never do it, whereas you do it repeatedly, & have done so for so long, it now takes no effort.

Journey, the med I was referring to there for the disease that's never been proven is one thing... But I am also now on something the other (non-FDA-approved) thing was for, as well as another pill I take twice a day, both of which claim on the bottle labels they are "generic" for other things.

There are many medications that can be used for a few things however I don't think they should be most times. I prefer that we target treatments for specific problems, otherwise we end up with people on a pile of pills that have a bunch of contraindications and end up making them sicker. That is not the right way to do things IMHO