Obamacare To Obamanet

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Every single time one of you whiners comes here and bitches and moans about changes to your insurance, it turns out Obamacare had nothing to do with it.

Costs went up? Awwww, poor baby. Tell us how your premiums never rose during the Dubya regime.

Plan is changing? Oh noe, change is bad! This is awful.

And your family practice won't accept your new plan? Damn that free market, right?

Maybe your new plan will cover testosterone shots so you can finally grow a pair, you #WhinyAssTittyBaby

It's strange. I have insurance through my employer. Not only did my plan not change, but my rates didn't increase any more than they have every single year since I've been carrying insurance.

Then again, I don't have a McMinimum health care plan. I prefer not to go bankrupt if something serious were to happen.

I think it says a lot about the state of the US health care system that one of the more popular television shows was about a man who was diagnosed with cancer and to keep his family from going broke he turned to cooking meth.

Breaking Bad would be a much different (and boring) story in a country with universal healthcare.
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[RobDownSouth]

Ulaven, my health insurance costs didn't rise appreciably either, but then I have had good insurance for quite a while too.

They did make one significant change though, they upped the co-pay for emergency room visits from $150 to $500.

Our insurance company rep said it was NOT due to rising costs, they were determined to change the mindset of folks who routinely go to the emergency room instead of their family doctor for routine things like strep throat or the flu. I thought it was interesting that some of the entry-level folks in my company considered that "unfair"....I guess I never realized that folks in my industry did such a thing.

In any event, I still think Klippert is full of shit.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Ulaven, my health insurance costs didn't rise appreciably either, but then I have had good insurance for quite a while too.

They did make one significant change though, they upped the co-pay for emergency room visits from $150 to $500.

Our insurance company rep said it was NOT due to rising costs, they were determined to change the mindset of folks who routinely go to the emergency room instead of their family doctor for routine things like strep throat or the flu. I thought it was interesting that some of the entry-level folks in my company considered that "unfair"....I guess I never realized that folks in my industry did such a thing.

In any event, I still think Klippert is full of shit.

My policy has a pretty low deductible for ER visits, as long as it's an actual emergency. If you roll in there with the sniffles you're going to be paying a rather large bill. You should be going to a non emergency clinic for that if your Primary care physician can't see you right away. My co-pay for a non-emergency clinic is the same as my Primary care doctor visit.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

They didn't do it for punitive reasons, they did it to cover the costs of those indigent types who still plague emergency rooms across the nation.

That MIGHT make sense, except the insurance company doesn't foot the bill for those patients, the hospital does. The hospital then passes on the losses associated with treating uninsured patients to those with insurance in the form of increased costs. Increasing ER copay would certainly deter people from using the ER as their source of primary care. Likewise, making sure everyone has insurance will reduce the losses incurred by the hospitals from treating uninsured patients and therefore lower overall costs.

But I'm sure you know more about it than a rep. from the insurance company.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They didn't do it for punitive reasons, they did it to cover the costs of those indigent types who still plague emergency rooms across the nation.

And who'z fault was that??


You can't even fucking say it can you?? LOL

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's in the language, liberals will use any nuance of language to takeover the Internet, tax it, edit it, and ruin it. Government bureaucrats have the King Midas touch, except whatever they touch turns to shit.

Sooooo much more horrifying than Republican Conservatives who want 1 company to legally own the internet, EVERYTHING on it and EVERYONE who has ever accessed it. Privately censored to company standards and strictly enforced with US military assets I'm sure.

LOL fucking dunce.

 

[RjThoughts]

Sooooo much more horrifying than Republican Conservatives who want 1 company to legally own the internet, EVERYTHING on it and EVERYONE who has ever accessed it. Privately censored to company standards and strictly enforced with US military assets I'm sure.

LOL fucking dunce.

And he doesn't understand that his friends in Congress continually vote AGAINST veterans, cutting their medical, post-service education, and increasing pay.

Stereotypical M.A.R.I.N.E.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Sooooo much more horrifying than Republican Conservatives who want 1 company to legally own the internet, EVERYTHING on it and EVERYONE who has ever accessed it. Privately censored to company standards and strictly enforced with US military assets I'm sure.

LOL fucking dunce.

N.B.: The Internet is a military asset. That is one of the things it was designed to be (a text-based communications system on a distributed network that could plausibly survive the infrastructure damage of a nuclear strike on the United States and would allow military and government communications to continue in that event). The USG will never completely relinquish control of it to a corporation. If there were such a corporation, similar to the old Ma Bell, it would always be under very heavy government oversight -- and the government, unlike a monopoly corporation, comes under public political pressure, which would discourage censorship. (Or perhaps encourage it, but, "I'll take porn off the Internet!" is not, I hope, a winning campaign promise.)

 

[CandiCame]

My policy has a pretty low deductible for ER visits, as long as it's an actual emergency. If you roll in there with the sniffles you're going to be paying a rather large bill. You should be going to a non emergency clinic for that if your Primary care physician can't see you right away. My co-pay for a non-emergency clinic is the same as my Primary care doctor visit.

Where are you going when your primary is closed that isn't the ER? Legit question. I want to know. Our pediatrician is an hour drive. I hate taking her to the ER and I don't know anywhere else.

 

[RjThoughts]

Where are you going when your primary is closed that isn't the ER? Legit question. I want to know. Our pediatrician is an hour drive. I hate taking her to the ER and I don't know anywhere else.

Urgent care centers.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And he doesn't understand that his friends in Congress continually vote AGAINST veterans, cutting their medical, post-service education, and increasing pay.

Stereotypical M.A.R.I.N.E.

. . . Motherfucking Asshole Ranting Ignorant Nonsense Energetically?

 

[RjThoughts]

. . . Motherfucking Asshole Ranting Ignorant Nonsense Energetically?

Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Essential

 

[about_average]

It's in the language, liberals will use any nuance of language to takeover the Internet, tax it, edit it, and ruin it.

You haven't seen the new rules, only the commissioners have.

So which is it? You know what's in the language of the regs, or you haven't read it, so couldn't know what's in them?

You really need to quit contradicting yourself.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Where are you going when your primary is closed that isn't the ER? Legit question. I want to know. Our pediatrician is an hour drive. I hate taking her to the ER and I don't know anywhere else.

Urgent care centers.

Exactly.

If you're ill, but not in a life threatening situation you go to an urgent care center when your primary care is closed. If you are or believe you may be in a life threatening situation by all means go the Emergency Room or call an ambulance.

Good rule of thumb, if you don't need an ambulance, you probably don't need an ER either.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So which is it? You know what's in the language of the regs, or you haven't read it, so couldn't know what's in them?

You really need to quit contradicting yourself.

If he did that he wouldn't really be Vetteman anymore......

 

[CandiCame]

Exactly.

If you're ill, but not in a life threatening situation you go to an urgent care center when your primary care is closed. If you are or believe you may be in a life threatening situation by all means go the Emergency Room or call an ambulance.

Good rule of thumb, if you don't need an ambulance, you probably don't need an ER either.

So I looked into this because I don't like the Er here, as I previously mentioned. I've never been satisfied with the quality of care there. And turns out that a LOT of poor rural areas don't have Urgent Care centers because, turns out, they're expensive to maintain. There's a company called "American Family Care" who is trying to open a bunch of these Urgent Care Centers in rural areas by 2019, but they're having trouble getting funding. But, I couldn't find a place to donate. You would /think/ that they'd have a patreon or a gofundme or SOMETHING if they're bitching about funding, but I can't find anything. I really, really wanted to have a donate link for you guys.

Dude can get funding to make a bunch of potato salad but they can't get funding to bring medical access to poor people? The fuck?

 

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[about_average]

This rule, which is still held in secret despite being already voted into existence, will affect millions of privately owned websites, which will be regulated for content and fairness....

Cite?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You're the dunce with your "1 company" illiteracy. This rule, which is still held in secret despite being already voted into existence, will affect millions of privately owned websites, which will be regulated for content and fairness, taxed and controlled, by a handful of government bureaucrats, by the time they're finished freedom on the Internet will be gone, your cable Internet service and your smart TV will never be the same. There will be no benevolence in this regulation.

Translation for the bleacher seats:

"I'm shitting my Depends over something that didn't happen and is highly unlikely to happen in the future, or at the very least within the rest of my remaining internet-dwelling lifespan, but please listen to me once more in political drama-whore fashion, phone in my fears over all that is Obama, liberal, Democrat, black, Mexican, women, gays, etc., etc., etc..."

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[Sean]

You're the dunce with your "1 company" illiteracy. This rule, which is still held in secret despite being already voted into existence, will affect millions of privately owned websites, which will be regulated for content and fairness, taxed and controlled, by a handful of government bureaucrats, by the time they're finished freedom on the Internet will be gone, your cable Internet service and your smart TV will never be the same. There will be no benevolence in this regulation.

This is just an outright lie.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're the dunce with your "1 company" illiteracy.

^^ doesn't even try to deny that he wants corporate control with government enforcement.

Define pure scum.....^^^

This rule, which is still held in secret despite being already voted into existence, will affect millions of privately owned websites,

I don't like it in secret any more than anyone else....maybe we shouldn't elect such corrupt shit heads for elected officials.

I'm sure it will effect them.

which will be regulated for content and fairness,

How so? How do you know this? I thought it was top secret??

taxed and controlled, by a handful of government bureaucrats,

Welcome to life in the 1st world guy.....where have you been the last 40 years???

by the time they're finished freedom on the Internet will be gone,

In what way? How do you know?

your cable Internet service and your smart TV will never be the same.

They aren't the same like every update/billing cycle...what else is new chicken little?

Also how would things never change under corporate control? Are you seriously that delusional?

There will be no benevolence in this regulation.

Rarely ever is.....would you care to point out the benevolence of the Republican idea that corporations should have sole control over the internet? They are helping commies suppress freedom in China after all. Why should we trust your clearly anti free internet guys on the right to run things?

Get back at me when you figure all that out....
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[Ulaven_Demorte]

You're the dunce with your "1 company" illiteracy. This rule, which is still held in secret despite being already voted into existence, will affect millions of privately owned websites, which will be regulated for content and fairness, taxed and controlled, by a handful of government bureaucrats, by the time they're finished freedom on the Internet will be gone, your cable Internet service and your smart TV will never be the same. There will be no benevolence in this regulation.

What a complete fucking pant-load.

By your own admission you have zero clue what's in the FCC rules that were passed. This entire rant is nothing but you playing the part of HennyPenny.

The FCC net neutrality rules bring internet access under the same rules that have governed telephone service since 1934.

This is to stop ISPs from throttling content that they don't have a stake in to give priority to those that they do. For example: Comcast was caught throttling Netflix streams (which they don't own a stake in) and providing higher bandwidth to Hulu (which it does own a stake in). VerizonFiOS was caught STILL throttling bandwidth for Netflix even AFTER they agreed to pay a fee to VerizonFiOS for unrestricted bandwidth.

The concept of "net neutrality" is this: Net neutrality is the idea that all traffic on the Internet should be treated equally. That means your broadband provider, which controls your access to the Internet, can't block or slow down your ability to use services or applications or view websites. It also means your Internet service provider -- whether it's a cable company or telephone service -- can't create so-called "fast lanes" that force content companies like Netflix to pay an additional fee to deliver their content to customers faster.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What a complete fucking pant-load.

By your own admission you have zero clue what's in the FCC rules that were passed. This entire rant is nothing but you playing the part of HennyPenny.

The FCC net neutrality rules bring internet access under the same rules that have governed telephone service since 1934.

This is to stop ISPs from throttling content that they don't have a stake in to give priority to those that they do. For example: Comcast was caught throttling Netflix streams (which they don't own a stake in) and providing higher bandwidth to Hulu (which it does own a stake in). VerizonFiOS was caught STILL throttling bandwidth for Netflix even AFTER they agreed to pay a fee to VerizonFiOS for unrestricted bandwidth.

The concept of "net neutrality" is this: Net neutrality is the idea that all traffic on the Internet should be treated equally. That means your broadband provider, which controls your access to the Internet, can't block or slow down your ability to use services or applications or view websites. It also means your Internet service provider -- whether it's a cable company or telephone service -- can't create so-called "fast lanes" that force content companies like Netflix to pay an additional fee to deliver their content to customers faster.

That's all just silly commie talk....Kenyan ninja death squads are coming for grandma any night now and you don't even know it yet!! Any night now....any night.....

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

That's all just silly commie talk....Kenyan ninja death squads are coming for grandma any night now and you don't even know it yet!! Any night now....any night.....

All of that work just to dig up my granny who's been dead and gone for a decade already? All they had to do was ask, I never cared much for her anyway.