Oh, damn! I'm stuck!

[oggbashan]

Checked

The Druids on Anglesey were massacred by the Romans in AD60 so AD64 is too late for the story.

Sometime between AD43 and AD60 the Druids were encouraging revolt against the Romans and though Caractacus was defeated in AD51 Wales wasn't fully conquered even after AD61.

The Boudiccan revolt meant that Paulinus had to withdraw troops from Chester and abandon much of North Wales including Anglesey. Anglesey was eventually recaptured by Agricola in AD78 so from AD61 to AD78 it was free again but well aware of the Romans.

Og

PS. The people in N.Wales and Anglesey were the Ordovices. Perhaps he could be one of the Parisi from near the Humber on the other side of England? Anyone from nearer would be understood.

 

[Guest]

Make me glad my country only has a few centuries of history to thrust on its students.

 

[cloudy]

The Druids on Anglesey were massacred by the Romans in AD60 so AD64 is too late for the story.

Sometime between AD43 and AD60 the Druids were encouraging revolt against the Romans and though Caractacus was defeated in AD51 Wales wasn't fully conquered even after AD61.

The Boudiccan revolt meant that Paulinus had to withdraw troops from Chester and abandon much of North Wales including Anglesey. Anglesey was eventually recaptured by Agricola in AD78 so from AD61 to AD78 it was free again but well aware of the Romans.

Og

Thanks, Og. I can change the date and make it a little earlier - I just sort of pulled that one out of my ass anyway.

 

[Guest]

Thanks, Og. I can change the date and make it a little earlier - I just sort of pulled that one out of my ass anyway.

Kinky bitch.

 

[oggbashan]

Please see the PS to my earlier post.

My real-life family had to flee from what is modern Belgium in BC44 after defeating Caesar's legions when he wasn't with them. When he returned my tribe got a bloody nose and crossed to East Anglia to stay with the Trinovantes.

We assume we were involved in the Boudiccan revolt. We kept quiet from then until AD1365 when some of us moved to the City of London and settled there.

Family research is a wonderful thing.

***

Of course as Og, I was a relic of the age of Giants and hitched a lift on the roof of The Ark so I am antediluvian.

Og

 

[The_Darkness]

Make me glad my country only has a few centuries of history to thrust on its students.

Yup....and 25% of what we're taught is bullshit anyway...but we're happy in our ignorance. Most of us, anyway.

 

[cloudy]

Kinky bitch.

. .

 

[The_Darkness]

Please see the PS to my earlier post.

My real-life family had to flee from what is modern Belgium in BC44 after defeating Caesar's legions when he wasn't with them. When he returned my tribe got a bloody nose and crossed to East Anglia to stay with the Trinovantes.

We assume we were involved in the Boudiccan revolt. We kept quiet from then until AD1365 when some of us moved to the City of London and settled there.

Family research is a wonderful thing.

***

Of course as Og, I was a relic of the age of Giants and hitched a lift on the roof of The Ark so I am antediluvian.

Og

Sweet! My Mom's into the geneology thing....supposedly I'm related to Jesus's brother James. I don't always trust the info she finds....it gets kinda sketchy when you have to start using religious documentation to trace your ancestry...

All we know about my last name is that they moved from France in 1066 (well, Orange and Normandy) and came over with William. Gotta love having a whole family of mercenaries. I really don't know what happened in there, but they were evidently awarded some land in Ireland, or maybe just settled there, and a few centuries later during the Famine, they cut bait and sailed on over to America.

 

[Guest]

My real-life family had to flee from what is modern Belgium in BC44 after defeating Caesar's legions when he wasn't with them. When he returned my tribe got a bloody nose and crossed to East Anglia to stay with the Trinovantes.

We assume we were involved in the Boudiccan revolt. We kept quiet from then until AD1365 when some of us moved to the City of London and settled there.

Family research is a wonderful thing.

This is amazing. Most American's can't name one great-grandparent. My family is exceptional here because we trace back 10 generations. The first of my RL family deserted from the British navy, which probably explains my irreleverance to Lou sometimes regarding US/Brit history.

 

[oggbashan]

This is amazing. Most American's can't name one great-grandparent. My family is exceptional here because we trace back 10 generations. The first of my RL family deserted from the British navy, which probably explains my irreleverance to Lou sometimes regarding US/Brit history.

From 1365 until 1917 my family were resident in the City of London. They were scriveners and then printers. For most of that time they were Parish Clerks for the various parishes in the City of London so their name appears on nearly every page of the parish records. During the Great Fire of London in 1666 at least one of them saved his parish records before saving his own property. I'm not sure what his wife would have said if he hadn't managed to return to save their property as well.

My sister-in-law has recently retired as parish clerk for her community. I am trying to act as the parish's voice in mine. One of my cousins is married to someone currently important in the City of London's Common Council so the tradition continues.

As scriveners (writers and copyists) and then printers my family has always been able to read and write (since 1365) which is a rare achievement. Most have been Freemen of the City of London which was essential if you wanted to trade inside the City walls. My father was one, as were his eldest sister and brother. My older brother is a Freeman too. Many of the women had been freemen because they too were scriveners/printers. My eldest aunt was a Lady Typewriter before the First World War - very modern for the time.

One of my sons-in-law is a printer so that tradition also carries on. My daughter is a Chief Reporter for a local paper.

One of my grandfathers was a copperplate engraver. My parents' generation became Civil Servants, as did I for a while, being a systems manager for a mainframe in the early 1960s - modern for my time.

We can't trace our records back before 1365 because that was when we arrived in London. The parish we had come from has no records earlier than the 17th Century. The link to the tribe that fought Caesar's legions was known to the family as far back as we can trace.

Our surname (unlike Shakespeare's) has remained constant in its spelling since 1365 - If we could write, we also knew how to spell.

Og

PS. A high proportion of us have been left-handed and red-haired.

 

[Guest]

Og,

That is all very cool. Thank you. I enjoy reading about interesting personal histories.

PS. A high proportion of us have been left-handed and red-haired.

Sounds like you are a member of the Howard families (Robert Heinlein reference).

 

[Alex De Kok]

I'm jealous! I don't know of anything earlier than the 1700s - a soldier at Alnwick Castle in Northumberland. But hey, I'm left-handed and when I was younger my hair was gingery-fair. What's left is grey, now

Alex

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Hey Cloudy,

I hope I am too late and you are already past your block, if n ot I only have some small advice.

First, trust yourself, you have a god feel for your characters and works.

Second, 80% or better of the lead up to sex is non verbal. there is much more communicated in a look or a touch than with words.

Thrid, Men don't seem to be that hard to get interested in sex

AS a final note, the Vikings, like many peoples of the time were outstanding linguists, picking up a smattering of almost any language they were exposed to. Rather than totally ignorant, you could give him a smattering of Gaelic, from previous prisoners and previous raids.

*HUGS*

 

[cloudy]

Hey Cloudy,

I hope I am too late and you are already past your block, if n ot I only have some small advice.

First, trust yourself, you have a god feel for your characters and works.

Second, 80% or better of the lead up to sex is non verbal. there is much more communicated in a look or a touch than with words.

Thrid, Men don't seem to be that hard to get interested in sex

AS a final note, the Vikings, like many peoples of the time were outstanding linguists, picking up a smattering of almost any language they were exposed to. Rather than totally ignorant, you could give him a smattering of Gaelic, from previous prisoners and previous raids.

*HUGS*

I think that's one of the nicest things anyone's said to me.

Thanks for the advice, sweetheart.

 

[Guest]

 

[Weird Harold]

I have two characters, the guy doesn't speak the language, and they're on the run from the girl's village. She wants to lose her virginity to him, instead of to who the village has chosen. How does she communicate that to him?

I think most of the responses missed this aspect of your question. Getting the idea that she want's to have a sex with him across is dead simple; Getting the idea that she's a virgin and he needs to be gentle across is more difficult.

Part of the answer depends on how "honorable" he is being. Is he being noble and resisting her inexpert advances until they've evade pursuit, or does she need to communicate the need to go slowly to him?

 

[cloudy]

I think most of the responses missed this aspect of your question. Getting the idea that she want's to have a sex with him across is dead simple; Getting the idea that she's a virgin and he needs to be gentle across is more difficult.

Part of the answer depends on how "honorable" he is being. Is he being noble and resisting her inexpert advances until they've evade pursuit, or does she need to communicate the need to go slowly to him?

Dead on, WH, as usual.

The second one, she needs to communicate the need to go slowly without words, since he doesn't speak her language, nor she his.

 

[Remec]

I think I may have written myself into a corner.

I have two characters, the guy doesn't speak the language, and they're on the run from the girl's village. She wants to lose her virginity to him, instead of to who the village has chosen. How does she communicate that to him?

Shit, shit, shit.

Tsk tsk...visualize yourself as her. If you were in a backwards little village like that, and wanted to give yourself to someone of your choosing, how might you let them know without saying anything?

Ignore the fact that you don't speak the same language. Sex and desire is a language all its own, y'know?

 

[Remec]

The date is 64 AD, in Llyn Cerrig Bach, Anglesey, Wales. She's a villager, he's a viking-type that washed up on the shore, and was captured.

I hate when this happens.

Then perhaps it's him who is seen naked unknowingly. Was he injured in the shipwreck and/or capture? Maybe she's helping whomever is in charge of caring for him and his wounds.

 

[cloudy]

Tsk tsk...visualize yourself as her. If you were in a backwards little village like that, and wanted to give yourself to someone of your choosing, how might you let them know without saying anything?

Ignore the fact that you don't speak the same language. Sex and desire is a language all its own, y'know?

Yes, but like WH said, she's a virgin, and VERY inexperienced.

 

[Hulder]

Just a little brainstorming:

If he has been captured, then his thougts would probably be on getting away safely, more then on sex. So she has to make the first move. The idea of him coming over her while she's bathing is good, she's naked, he's fully dressed. He doesn't want to hurt her, he needs her to get away, so he's trying to figure out what she wants, he leaves the decition in her hands. She sees that he will not make the first move, so she approaches him, but slowly, she hesitates. Her instincts are to hide, to shield her body from his eyes, but she needs to do this. And she wants to do it. So she continues to move towards him until she's standing in front of him. He can tell that she's nervous, and he doesn't want to scare her off so he doesn't move. She takes his hand and places it between her legs. Nobody can misunderstand a signal like that. But she blushes hard while doing it, and that tells him that she's inexperienced. He may not know that she's a virgin, but it should tell him enough to be patient and gentle.

 

[Remec]

Yes, but like WH said, she's a virgin, and VERY inexperienced.

<nod>
Good point. So it's not a question of just throwing herself at him; but, as was said, getting him to understand the need for gentleness and going easy.

I think that might still be communicated via body language, just a little longer of a scene. And, perhaps, the smattering of vocabulary someone suggested might come up around the words "virgin" or "first" or "never". Something like that.