One of the most stupid things

[Boxlicker101]

Look, Box, the point of a war is never to kill the enemy. The point of a war is to subdue the enemy. Usually that requires a lot of killing, but if you can ever maneuver an enemy into surrendering without loss of life, of course that is always the course you should take.

ISIS will not surrender without loss of life. So it is. But we needn't kill any more than strictly necessary.

For most conflicts, I would agree with you, but this is not like most conflicts. These are not normal, civilized persons with whom we are trying to deal. These are vicious murderers, rapists, torturers and slavers. The only way to deal with them is to kill them all, or as close to all as we can. Leaving large numbers of them to rearm is to invite the same kind of situation we have now.

They do not fear death, and this is important to remember. To Muslim fanatics, death is actually an ultimate goal but they first want to kill as many infidels and apostates (people who disagree with them) as they can.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Why do you think they hate us?

Because we do not worship exactly the way they require. It's not just Americans or Europeans either; they even kill their co-religionists and call them apostates.

 

[cowslinger64]

For most conflicts, I would agree with you, but this is not like most conflicts. These are not normal, civilized persons with whom we are trying to deal. These are vicious murderers, rapists, torturers and slavers. The only way to deal with them is to kill them all, or as close to all as we can. Leaving large numbers of them to rearm is to invite the same kind of situation we have now.

They do not fear death, and this is important to remember. To Muslim fanatics, death is actually an ultimate goal but they first want to kill as many infidels and apostates (people who disagree with them) as they can.

Because we do not worship exactly the way they require. It's not just Americans or Europeans either; they even kill their co-religionists and call them apostates.

Lot of "we" there... What you mean is that someone else does the dirty work for your views. Why don't you, bizzydummy, vette, forestdump, miles, ish etal... Get in the car and go fight?

In the opinion of many, especially on the left... 4500 American soldiers lives wasted in Iraq was way too many.

Take Bush, Cheney, ashcroft and rumsfeld with you when you go, huh?

To add... They need to take care of their own mess instead of waiting on the US.

 

[KingOrfeo]

For most conflicts, I would agree with you, but this is not like most conflicts. These are not normal, civilized persons with whom we are trying to deal. These are vicious murderers, rapists, torturers and slavers. The only way to deal with them is to kill them all, or as close to all as we can. Leaving large numbers of them to rearm is to invite the same kind of situation we have now.

Yeah, well, we don't have to anyway. Again, all their neighbors hate them. The Kurds hate them. The Turks hate them. The Iraqi Shi'ites hate them. Most Iraqi Sunnis hate them. Assad hates them. All other Syrian rebel factions hate them. The Egyptians hate them. The Israelis hate them. The Saudis hate them. Iran hates them. Hezbollah hates them. The Yezidis hate them. The King of Jordan really hates them. After that recent business in Libya, all the region's Christians must hate them to the degree Christian love allows. Even al-Qaeda hates them. Practically everybody who does not hate them has already rushed off to join them (in Syria, and in Egypt and elsewhere) -- but not nearly enough have. They can't hang. Soon as even one or two of those neighbors get their acts together, ISIS will be gone like the dust a Muslim washes off his hands before prayers. And those neighbors, being rather closely emotionally invested in the whole matter and bearing personal grudges, will perhaps not be quite so nicely scrupulous about the laws of war and accepting surrenders as American regular troops would be. Which should satisfy you, Box.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Lot of "we" there... What you mean is that someone else does the dirty work for your views. Why don't you, bizzydummy, vette, forestdump, miles, ish etal... Get in the car and go fight?

In the opinion of many, especially on the left... 4500 American soldiers lives wasted in Iraq was way too many.

Take Bush, Cheney, ashcroft and rumsfeld with you when you go, huh?

To add... They need to take care of their own mess instead of waiting on the US.

I'm sure our keyboard warriors have, each and every one, collected hundreds of ears by now.

Otherwise, they are just cowards without the guts to stand up for their beliefs.

 

[cowslinger64]

I'm sure our keyboard warriors have, each and every one, collected hundreds of ears by now.

Otherwise, they are just cowards without the guts to stand up for their beliefs.

I'm sure they've just been figuring out where to meet and who's driving.. No way these studs would pussy out on the chance to make a difference and show how much the fight really means.

I'll miss em.

 

[Boxlicker101]

To get more back on topic: At least Obama has now disavowed this woman's crackpot statement.

 

[PoppingTom]

The only way to deal with them is to kill them all, or as close to all as we can.

This is all that matters to you, right?

Americans like you always look for somebody to kill, "this time justified" !

 

[Boxlicker101]

This is all that matters to you, right?

Americans like you always look for somebody to kill, "this time justified" !

Well, that's the main preoccupation with ISIS - looking for people to kill. Or rape or enslave. And, yes, it is fully justified, just as killing Germans was justified on D-Day.

 

[phrodeau]

For most conflicts, I would agree with you, but this is not like most conflicts. These are not normal, civilized persons with whom we are trying to deal. These are vicious murderers, rapists, torturers and slavers. The only way to deal with them is to kill them all, or as close to all as we can. Leaving large numbers of them to rearm is to invite the same kind of situation we have now.

They do not fear death, and this is important to remember. To Muslim fanatics, death is actually an ultimate goal but they first want to kill as many infidels and apostates (people who disagree with them) as they can.

Those same words were used to describe the NVA, North Koreans, Commies, Japs, Nazis, Mexicans and Native Americans.

So yes, it's just like all the other conflicts.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Which would you say does the most good: killing all the religious zealots or finding jobs for them?

You're not paying attention. Hayden gave you the correct answer. Lethal force for the hardest of the hard core, but something far more different and rooted in theological and cultural foundations of these people that makes their current social soil so fertile for toxic growth. That is the only hope of minimizing future mass enemy populations, and we do not have the ability to affect those changes through the use of force alone.

Not only is the dichotomy you are presenting false, but the options themselves are unobtainable -- complete annihilation of the enemy or sufficient levels of employment to radically change behavior on a wide scale. There aren't enough resources to do either one. Stop pretending all of life's problems, especially its more serious and complicated ones, are as simple as you'd like them to be.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Those same words were used to describe the NVA, North Koreans, Commies, Japs, Nazis, Mexicans and Native Americans.

So yes, it's just like all the other conflicts.

Do you have any evidence other enemies were described in that way?

 

[Busybody]

Oops: The Poorest Countries In the World Don’t Have Exceptional Levels of Terrorism

by Deroy Murdock February 18, 2015 5:10 PM

The whole world is laughing at the Obama administration’s latest weapon in the War on Terror: jobs for jihadists. State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf unveiled this new policy on Sunday. “We cannot kill our way out of this war,” Harf explained on MSNBC. “We need, in the longer term, medium to longer term, to go after the root causes that leads [sic] people to join these groups.” She continued: “We can work with countries around the world to help improve their governance. We can help them build their economies so they can have job opportunities for these people.” Amid ensuing global giggles, Harf doubled down on this initiative. “We’ll take direct military action against these terrorists,” she told CNN yesterday. “We have done that. We are doing that in Iraq and Syria. But longer term, we have to look at how we combat the conditions that can lead people to turn to extremism.”


I added this morning to the guffaws over this fascinating new way of treating the people who just beheaded 21 Egyptian Christians and burned alive 46 people in the last few weeks. I decided, nonetheless, to test the Harf Hypothesis. Does poverty equal militant Islamic terrorism . . . er, I mean, extremism? (Let’s not make anyone uncomfortable!) The Global Terrorism Index is the work of Statista, a statistical portal that aggregates more than 18,000 data sources. As Statista explains, it “systematically ranks countries of the world according to their terrorist activity. Iraq ranked first on the global terrorism index with a score of 10 points, making it the country most affected by terrorism on Earth.”


For 2014, here are the top 10 nations affected by terrorism, as well as their Global Terrorism Index scores: 1. Iraq (10)2. Afghanistan (9.39)3. Pakistan (9.37)4. Nigeria (8.58)5. Syria (8.12)6. India (7.86)7. Somalia (7.41)8. Yemen (7.31)9. Philippines (7.29)10. Thailand (7.19) Meanwhile, the Central Intelligence Agency publishes and regularly updates The World Factbook. Among other things, it ranks 228 nations around the world, from top to bottom, according to per-capita GDP, estimated on a purchasing-power-parity basis. (I tried to search the CIA’s website for something like Statista’s Global Terrorism Index. Oddly enough, the website’s search function is totally broken.) Here are the ten poorest nations on that list, along with their respective statistics. 219. Tokelau ($1,000)220. Madagascar ($1,000)221. Malawi ($900)222. Niger ($800)223. Liberia ($700)224. Central African Republic ($700)225. Burundi ($600)226. Somalia ($600)227. Zimbabwe ($600)228. Democratic Republic of the Congo ($400) The Harf Hypothesis would suggest that Earth’s ten most terrorized nations would be the ten poorest on the planet — or at least, these two lists largely should overlap. In fact, only Somalia appears on both rankings

. So, let’s give Team Obama this: Their theory is 10 percent correct. This means that the Harf Hypothesis is only 90 percent ridiculous. Continue the laughter! Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-government-run-health-care-veronique-de-rugy

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-government-run-health-care-veronique-de-rugy

 

[cowslinger64]

To get more back on topic: At least Obama has now disavowed this woman's crackpot statement.

I was totally on topic. You proved my point perfectly.

 

[phrodeau]

For most conflicts, I would agree with you, but this is not like most conflicts. These are not normal, civilized persons with whom we are trying to deal. These are vicious murderers, rapists, torturers and slavers. The only way to deal with them is to kill them all, or as close to all as we can. Leaving large numbers of them to rearm is to invite the same kind of situation we have now.

They do not fear death, and this is important to remember. To Muslim fanatics, death is actually an ultimate goal but they first want to kill as many infidels and apostates (people who disagree with them) as they can.

Those same words were used to describe the NVA, North Koreans, Commies, Japs, Nazis, Mexicans and Native Americans.

So yes, it's just like all the other conflicts.

Do you have any evidence other enemies were described in that way?

Do you consider that kamikaze pilots were normal, civilized people?

 

[Busybody]

Do you consider that kamikaze pilots were normal, civilized people?

yes

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You're not paying attention. Hayden gave you the correct answer. Lethal force for the hardest of the hard core, but something far more different and rooted in theological and cultural foundations of these people that makes their current social soil so fertile for toxic growth. That is the only hope of minimizing future mass enemy populations, and we do not have the ability to affect those changes through the use of force alone.

Not only is the dichotomy you are presenting false, but the options themselves are unobtainable -- complete annihilation of the enemy or sufficient levels of employment to radically change behavior on a wide scale. There aren't enough resources to do either one. Stop pretending all of life's problems, especially its more serious and complicated ones, are as simple as you'd like them to be.

On the other hand violence worked miracles on the South, Germany, and Japan.

You are a dum twat.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

To get more back on topic: At least Obama has now disavowed this woman's crackpot statement.

Its nutty because it assumes every society has the means to bribe vicious killers to be nice.

 

[Busybody]

it gets worse

Kerry Touts Jobs For Jihadis: Muslims Flocking To Jihadist Groups Because They “Lost A Job”…




Kerry apparently feels his spokeswoman Marie Harf hasn’t been mocked enough.

Via CNS News:


… “Why do people make what to many of us would seem to be an utterly wrongheaded choice and become the kind of terrorists that we’re seeing?” he asked. “It’s a question that we need to approach with humility, but also with determination, because you cannot defeat what you don’t understand.” […]

“In some cases, they may come from a lost job or from the contrast between one family’s empty dinner plate and a fancy restaurant’s lavish menu. The poison might even come from within, in the form of rebellion against anonymity, the desire to belong to a group, people who want a moment of visibility and identity, or the hunger for black-and-white answers to problems that are very complex in a remarkably more complicated world.”

 

[Busybody]

3 girls from England...all straight A students...all with everything...leave it all behind to join ISIS

so the BLONDE CUNT and Mullah Kerry should STFU about JOBS

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...sing-British-schoolgirls-travel-to-Syria.html

 

[Busybody]

Saudi Arabia hands out BILLIONS.....yet their peeps are members of ISIS and Al Q and fund em

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/20/w....html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0


the BLONDE CUT should STFU about jobs

 

[Colonel Hogan]

On the other hand violence worked miracles on the South, Germany, and Japan.

You are a dum twat.

And if you don't understand why military force alone would be supremely effective in the three examples you just gave and considerably less effective in stemming the international spread of radical jihad, then you have substantially less cognitive ability than I've given you credit for.

IOW, you'd be a far dumber twat.

 

[Busybody]

And if you don't understand why military force alone would be supremely effective in the three examples you just gave and considerably less effective in stemming the international spread of radical jihad, then you have substantially less cognitive ability than I've given you credit for.

IOW, you'd be a far dumber twat.

you miss an essential element

and that is the concept of the STRONG HORSE

by whole massive KILLING of ISIS....the STRONG HORSE myth will be uo ended and the recruiting tool less effective

 

[Colonel Hogan]

you miss an essential element

and that is the concept of the STRONG HORSE

by whole massive KILLING of ISIS....the STRONG HORSE myth will be uo ended and the recruiting tool less effective

No, I'm not, because I'm NOT suggesting we DO NOT kill ISIS members or Al Qaeda or Taliban or any other violent Jihadist.

JBJ made an idiotic, irrelevant comparison of the post-Civil War South, and two post-WWII Axis Powers to current military efforts in the War on Terror. My comment was directed solely to that comparison.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

we need to get you a trophy ....


after all, you were the first little 'man' on GB to wear a thong backwards

OUCH! hahahahahahahahaha