The Pillars of Modern American Conservatism

[icanhelp1]

Congresscritters come under a lot more pressure to provide freebies for money. They're far more likely to give tax breaks or sweetheart contracts to corporations that contribute to their campaigns, than to increase welfare benefits so the poor will vote for them.

It takes balls to stand on principals. If congress critters enter politics as a long term career move then we'll get more of the same.

 

[SkyBubble]

No, he claimed it was. He lied. In those days, "socialism" was a word that could win votes.

He was not lying. He was correct. It is simply a different form of socialism.

https://fee.org/articles/theres-no-denying-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/

https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

https://www.audible.com/pd/Socialism-Fascism-and-the-Tyranny-of-Big-Government-Audiobook/B06XJ9L1DL

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...m-and-national-socialism.915546/post-20856247

https://www.abelard.org/briefings/fascism-is-socialism.php

https://freedomandprosperity.org/20...flavors-of-collectivism-and-authoritarianism/

https://invictuspopuli.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/leftist-protesters-cheer-hitler-quotes/

https://lawliberty.org/book-review/the-socialism-in-nazism/

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/yes-the-nazis-were-socialists-just-deal-with-it-already

https://mises.org/mises-wire/nazis-were-not-marxists-they-were-socialists

https://completecolorado.com/2022/1...were-indeed-socialists-heres-what-that-means/

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Life's a bit more complex than this bumper sticker. If taxes are high, perhaps lowering taxes cut will help the economy. Of course, if it's just done to give the rich a handout while not helping the poor (especially the people too poor to pay taxes!), the economy won't necessarily benefit.

On the other hand, if a nation has decrepit infrastructure, if it neglects its roads and schools and electrical grid because it devotes insufficient resources to them, then perhaps raising taxes will improve the economy. You've got to spend money to make money, after all!

Perhaps the government collects enough revenue to do the things you noted if the government actually spent it on those items instead of providing freebies for votes.

Freebies like the carried interest loophole for hedge funds, subsidies for big agribusiness, cost overruns for crooked defence contractors, . . .

Yes, cutting corporate welfare would free up a lot of money for fixing your infrastructure.

 

[Wilson23]

It takes balls to stand on principals. If congress critters enter politics as a long term career move then we'll get

what no republic can do without. We need both professional politicians and professional civil servants.

 

[SkyBubble]

Never in the lives of either of them was Mises right where Orwell was wrong.

You're wrong again.

 

[Wilson23]

He was not lying. He was correct. It is simply a different form of socialism.

https://fee.org/articles/theres-no-denying-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/

https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

https://www.audible.com/pd/Socialism-Fascism-and-the-Tyranny-of-Big-Government-Audiobook/B06XJ9L1DL

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...m-and-national-socialism.915546/post-20856247

https://www.abelard.org/briefings/fascism-is-socialism.php

https://freedomandprosperity.org/20...flavors-of-collectivism-and-authoritarianism/

https://invictuspopuli.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/leftist-protesters-cheer-hitler-quotes/

https://lawliberty.org/book-review/the-socialism-in-nazism/

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/yes-the-nazis-were-socialists-just-deal-with-it-already

https://mises.org/mises-wire/nazis-were-not-marxists-they-were-socialists

https://completecolorado.com/2022/1...were-indeed-socialists-heres-what-that-means/

I can tell you're an idiot just by looking at those links without clicking them. Mises?! "Freedom and Prosperity"?!

 

[SkyBubble]

Mises has zero credibility. And you can't have a welfare state without UHC. And what welfare we did have was mostly abolished under Clinton.

So a professional economist has zero credibility as opposed to a fiction writer. OK, sure.

@Chadrone was right about you.

 

[SkyBubble]

Of course, if it's just done to give the rich a handout

The cuts were across the board, and the IRS says the highest earners now pay a higher share of taxes.

 

[SkyBubble]

Yes, cutting corporate welfare would free up a lot of money for fixing your infrastructure.

Absolutely, and we should have no corporate subsidies. The government's job is not to pick winners and losers.

 

[Wilson23]

So a professional economist has zero credibility as opposed to a fiction writer. OK, sure.

@Chadrone was right about you.

Carl Menger was a professional economist, and only an idiot would take his word against George Santos'.

 

[icanhelp1]

Freebies like the carried interest loophole for hedge funds, subsidies for big agribusiness, cost overruns for crooked defence contractors, . . .

Yes, cutting corporate welfare would free up a lot of money for fixing your infrastructure.

All big government fuckups. I totally agree with you. The bigger the government the bigger the fraud. Its estimated that there's anywhere from 250 to 500 billion in waste, fraud and abuse PER YEAR!!! Congress is one COLOSUS fraud.

 

[SkyBubble]

I can tell you're an idiot just by looking at those links without clicking them. Mises?! "Freedom and Prosperity"?!

IOW, you don't have the intellectual capacity to consider any information that contradicts your preconceived narrative.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Of course, if it's just done to give the rich a handout

The cuts were across the board, and the IRS says the highest earners now pay a higher share of taxes.

They always say that.

But the devil is always in the details (loopholes, etc.) the rich have accountants to work on. And don't forget that the people too poor to pay income tax get screwed relatively, because the rich get their tax cuts while the poor still have the VAT or sales taxes or whatever.

 

[SkyBubble]

Carl Menger was a professional economist, and only an idiot would take his word against George Santos'.

We were talking about Mises and Orwell. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[icanhelp1]

Absolutely, and we should have no corporate subsidies. The government's job is not to pick winners and losers.

Do you think managing and controlling spending would be wise. How does a small minority group steal billions of dollars from Minnesota?

 

[SkyBubble]

They always say that.

But the devil is always in the details (loopholes, etc.) the rich have accountants to work on. And don't forget that the people too poor to pay income tax get screwed relatively, because the rich get their tax cuts while the poor still have the VAT or sales taxes or whatever.

They don't always say that, and every time we've cut taxes, we've closed "loopholes" (i.e., eliminated exemptions.)

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Freebies like the carried interest loophole for hedge funds, subsidies for big agribusiness, cost overruns for crooked defence contractors, . . .

Yes, cutting corporate welfare would free up a lot of money for fixing your infrastructure.

All big government fuckups. I totally agree with you. The bigger the government the bigger the fraud. Its estimated that there's anywhere from 250 to 500 billion in waste, fraud and abuse PER YEAR!!! Congress is one COLOSUS fraud.

Now, if only your citizens could toss out the MAGA "colosus fraud" legislators . . .

 

[icanhelp1]

They always say that.

But the devil is always in the details (loopholes, etc.) the rich have accountants to work on. And don't forget that the people too poor to pay income tax get screwed relatively, because the rich get their tax cuts while the poor still have the VAT or sales taxes or whatever.

I think we should have a flat tax. IMHO

 

[Wilson23]

Absolutely, and we should have no corporate subsidies. The government's job is not to pick winners and losers.

There can never be a non-Communist government that doesn't. They spend money on projects and somebody has to get the contract.

 

[Wilson23]

I think we should have a flat tax. IMHO

America's worst problem right now, even worse than climate change or deficits, is wealth/income inequality.

A flat tax wouldn't help.

 

[icanhelp1]

Now, if only your citizens could toss out the MAGA "colosus fraud" legislators . . .

MAGA'S NOT THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE BRAINWASHED.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
They always say that.

But the devil is always in the details (loopholes, etc.) the rich have accountants to work on. And don't forget that the people too poor to pay income tax get screwed relatively, because the rich get their tax cuts while the poor still have the VAT or sales taxes or whatever.

I think we should have a flat tax. IMHO

It's just as simple (and much fairer) to administer a progressive tax, even with a lot of tax brackets, so long as the loopholes and subsidies are eliminated.

Now, what are the odds the loopholes and subsidies will be eliminated?

 

[SkyBubble]

Do you think managing and controlling spending would be wise. How does a small minority group steal billions of dollars from Minnesota?

I think it's essential. We're $38 trillion in debt and we just keep adding debt. We need to cut spending.

When you run a deficit, there are only three things to do: raise taxes (which may help in the short term, but are a net negative long term), borrow (how we got this huge debt), or just create money out of nothing (inflation.) All of those are harmful.

The only alternative is to cut spending wherever you can. We need a major reduction in government, especially at the Federal level.

 

[Wilson23]

All big government fuckups. I totally agree with you. The bigger the government the bigger the fraud. Its estimated that there's anywhere from 250 to 500 billion in waste, fraud and abuse PER YEAR!!! Congress is one COLOSUS fraud.

If you ever hear a pol promise to solve budget problems by eliminating waste, ask if he intends to solve energy problems by eliminating friction.

 

[SkyBubble]

There can never be a non-Communist government that doesn't. They spend money on projects and somebody has to get the contract.

More illiteracy from you. Of course you can. We did without them for decades and we grew and grew.

And paying for services rendered is a different thing from a subsidy.