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States have pledges? :confused: Mine never did...and that's a real bummer because I bet California could have a really cool pledge....

Let's see:
"I pledge allegiance to the Golden State,
And to the Earthquakes which, if they remain below 4.0 on the Richter scale, will allow us to remain standing....
I also pledge to protect our state, and whichever Hollywood actor is currently governor, but only if he has a really good agent;
Here's to us! One state, under the great god of the Pacific Ocean, with beach houses, movie deals, rock stars, surfing and plastic surgery for all!"

Something like that. Sounds pretty good, no?
 
Well, since Texas is the only state that can legally cede from the US, they probably feel that they can do whatever the hell they want. That, and the fact that it's Texas, so they naturally feel they can do whatever the hell they want.

Texas....the Boy Toy of Oklahoma....I can see it in my mind and it's disturbing and funny on levels that I cannot properly articulate.
 
Roxanne Appleby said:
Right - doesn't it seem that pledging allegiance to a state is improper? I'm not sure the term "citizen" even applies to a state, properly speaking, although it's used that way all the time. One is a citizen of the USA, a resident of whatever state and locality you currently inhabit, and a native of wherever you were born, or perhaps where you spent your early years. If you are registered to vote in a state/community you are called an "elector."

What "allegiance" attaches to a state? :confused:
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I have lived in CA for over 47 years and I don't really feel any allegiance to it. To the USA, definitely, but not to any state. Or to any city or county.
 
The_Darkness said:
Well, since Texas is the only state that can legally cede from the US, they probably feel that they can do whatever the hell they want. That, and the fact that it's Texas, so they naturally feel they can do whatever the hell they want.
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Interesting point. Yes, Texas was never formally admitted into the United States. In fact, that was why Mr. Applegate, several years ago, vouchesafed a succession of the state into its own country.

A ludicrous idea, to be sure, given that Texas benefits way too much from being part of the US. Still, there are numerous Texans who still hold to the idea that Texas is 'a whole other country.' Witness all the tourism ads to that effect.

I live here. There are parts of Texas I like, parts I do not. One of the things I don't like is how a lot of Texans -- especially the old-line, conservative element -- think in the vein that Texas is somehow above and beyond the rest of the US. I have never encountered more all-around prejudice anywhere as I have here.
 
slyc_willie said:
Interesting point. Yes, Texas was never formally admitted into the United States. In fact, that was why Mr. Applegate, several years ago, vouchesafed a succession of the state into its own country.

A ludicrous idea, to be sure, given that Texas benefits way too much from being part of the US. Still, there are numerous Texans who still hold to the idea that Texas is 'a whole other country.' Witness all the tourism ads to that effect.

I live here. There are parts of Texas I like, parts I do not. One of the things I don't like is how a lot of Texans -- especially the old-line, conservative element -- think in the vein that Texas is somehow above and beyond the rest of the US. I have never encountered more all-around prejudice anywhere as I have here.
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Are you sure about that? I realize that was part of the original annexation law, but after Texas and some other states did secede, and were readmitted, did the readmission supersede that part of the original law?
 
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Market went north about a hundred...the DJI, anyway...and I thought the pledge of allegiance was to the flag?

amicus...
 
Yes, flame texas.

Because there is nothing wrong with YOUR state, YOUR lawmakers, YOUR president.

Because YOUR state is better than texas?

"I pledge allegiance to the glorious state of texas, one state, under god, not oklahoma, with liberty and justice for all."

Just remember, without texas, what state would you have to kick around?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/LisaDenton/Untitled-555.jpg


:rose:
 
Lisa Denton said:
Yes, flame texas.

Because there is nothing wrong with YOUR state, YOUR lawmakers, YOUR president.

Because YOUR state is better than texas?

"I pledge allegiance to the glorious state of texas, one state, under god, not oklahoma, with liberty and justice for all."

Just remember, without texas, what state would you have to kick around?
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Indiana

Oklahoma

Missouri

..and other parts of Dumfuckistan.
 
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Roxanne Appleby said:
Right - doesn't it seem that pledging allegiance to a state is improper? I'm not sure the term "citizen" even applies to a state, properly speaking, although it's used that way all the time. One is a citizen of the USA, a resident of whatever state and locality you currently inhabit, and a native of wherever you were born, or perhaps where you spent your early years. If you are registered to vote in a state/community you are called an "elector."

What "allegiance" attaches to a state? :confused:
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Okay, students, it's time for CIVICS! Our subject today is the power or powerlessness of the 50 states that make up the US of A.

For starters, let's consider the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This is opposite the situation in most countries. As its name implies, The United States of America, was created by the states, not vice versa. At the time they were independent of one another. The Civil War, of course, settled the issue of whether a state could leave the union. Prior to that, the country was usually referred to as THESE United States of America. After the war, the common usage became, THE United States of America.

Each state has the right under the Constitution to run most things their own way. They can set and collect taxes, enact and enforce their own laws, run (or run down) their educational systems, and sue other states and corp. They even have their own military (National Guard).

As for the issue of state citizenship, we turn back to the US Constitution, specifically the 14th Amendment: 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Now, about what the Texas Legislature did. Let's just say they once again reaffirmed the oft voiced contention that: We get the government we deserve, and we deserve to get it good and hard.

Pedantically yours,
Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
Lisa Denton said:
Yes, flame texas.

Because there is nothing wrong with YOUR state, YOUR lawmakers, YOUR president.

Because YOUR state is better than texas?

"I pledge allegiance to the glorious state of texas, one state, under god, not oklahoma, with liberty and justice for all."

Just remember, without texas, what state would you have to kick around?


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I nominate South Carolina. It's shaped something like a football.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
I have lived in CA for over 47 years and I don't really feel any allegiance to it.
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I do! And it's not a state. It's a country. God Bless California, the golden island that is unfortunately attached to the rest of the North American continent. One day, great Poseidon will shake us free of it and we will surf out into the blue of the Pacific where we will create our New Atlantis empire! :nana:
 
3113 said:
I do! And it's not a state. It's a country. God Bless California, the golden island that is unfortunately attached to the rest of the North American continent. One day, great Poseidon will shake us free of it and we will surf out into the blue of the Pacific where we will create our New Atlantis empire! :nana:
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Which will occupy the same place as the old one.

Underwater. ;)
 
rgraham666 said:
Which will occupy the same place as the old one.

Underwater. ;)
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At which time they can move slightly northeast and occupy Baffin Island...:D

I can see it all now...lowrider snowmobiles...:D
 
drksideofthemoon said:
At which time they can move slightly northeast and occupy Baffin Island...:D

I can see it all now...lowrider snowmobiles...:D
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Actually, it would be about 5,000 miles northeast, and they would have to cross the North American continent. Maybe they could occupy the Aleutian Islands instead.
 
*takes a deep breath*

State's rights. Good for them; Texas, do your thing. Anyone respect the Constitution anymore?

Anyone?

Bueller?
 
Yes, states have rights. And powers. In fact, they should be the ones who do any regulating of the economy and marketplace that doesn't cross state lines.

On the other hand, the People have rights, too. And why I love my adopted state, I don't like what its politicians are doing right now....trampling on the rights of individuals with an establishment of religion. Grrr...Hasn't anyone heard of incoporation of the Bill of Rights to apply to the states since the 14th Amendment?

Speaking of the 14th, Rumply is right. It does clearly state that is a citizen of the state, as well as the Union.
 
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