OOC: Star Wars - Episode VIII: The New Threat

[Orlanth]

Also, some of the characters are poor.

There is too much reference to the original trilogy - namely two that stick out - a decendant of Lando Calrisian and a Darth Vader clone.

Its just too obvious and lazy to add too much reference to the previous stories.

The Vader clone just wouldnt work at all.
Vader was the man when he was in the suit, not before.
Before he was in the suit, he was Anakin Skywalker, so if there was going to be a clone before he got all the damage, he wouldnt be known as Darth Vader!

Just a couple of points out of many i'd like to make.

Im gonna get totally ripped apart for even considering writing these things, but i felt they had to be said!

Actually, Anakin became Darth Vader when he turned to the dark side.

So he was Darth Vader before he had to wear the suit.

The name isn't due to the suit, it is the namesake of the Sith. You became Sith and change name to "Darth -----"

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Actually, TheHead, I don't mind the criticism either. truth is, we haven't really taken this one as seriously as the last, and only really got it going toward the end. By then, mostly it was just Pean and I, and we tend to work well together, at times if not always.
Truth is, it's just a thread. And while we do stick well to the roots, you have to remember that we're trying to preserve the spirit of the original, and it isn't easy to do so with new characters.
If you don't mind, what do you think of our major characters: D'Rack Fran'tok, Tynan, Luke, Raine DuVal and Marius Lane, and maybe a few of the more consistent others like Mogo and Dar Thandor. Moridin and Figgas could use a quick review if you don't mind...

 

[Orlanth]

Actually, TheHead, I don't mind the criticism either. truth is, we haven't really taken this one as seriously as the last, and only really got it going toward the end. By then, mostly it was just Pean and I, and we tend to work well together, at times if not always.
Truth is, it's just a thread. And while we do stick well to the roots, you have to remember that we're trying to preserve the spirit of the original, and it isn't easy to do so with new characters.
If you don't mind, what do you think of our major characters: D'Rack Fran'tok, Tynan, Luke, Raine DuVal and Marius Lane, and maybe a few of the more consistent others like Mogo and Dar Thandor. Moridin and Figgas could use a quick review if you don't mind...

I agree.

I stated in the OOC for the last thread, that we weren't going to follew the books, and keep the feel of Ep IV, V and VI.

Maybe he didn't read that one?

 

[TheHead]

Well, its nice to see you guys taking this "on the chin" instead of, like some other forums, the whole thing getting out of hand and a name-calling match starting!

Some of the things ive read here (characters, etc) seem to be workable, but things like using ships, planets should be kept to a minimum when it comes to the original trilogy.
The likes of using the Millenium Falcon shouldnt be used.
The ship was Calrisian's and Solo's and should be left at that.
We all know that this is the Star Wars universe, so there should be no need to continually go back and use what worked before.
The planets - Of course, central plantes (Coruscant, Tatooine, etc) should be used, but Lucas himself knew that you cant rely on what worked before which is why in EP II he diversified to such planets as Geonosis and Kamino.

The post ROTJ stories involving Luke having his own Jedi school, Han and Leia having kids etc, can be built into great EP VII, VIII and IX.
From what i have read in this forum have basically been what i would call and expanded universe story.
I wouldnt classify it as a possible Episode VII or anything like that.
There's only one man who could write a Star Wars story and have it considered as "the next episode"!

But, having said all this, and as a Star Wars fan myself, i do wish you guys luck in getting your story together and making it a good one......who cares if it's Episode VII, VIII or even XX? As long as you make it good and worthy of the SW Universe!

Cheers.

The Head.

P.S - As for my thing with the clone Vader, i know that Vader has always been Anakin Skywalker, but as we all know, he is more machine than man.
If you made a clone of Vader (from the human parts) when the clone was finished, it would be 100% flesh and bone, not part man/part machine. Being part machine (as well as a Sith) is what makes him what he is.
Therefore, if the clone was 100% flesh, it would essentially be a clone of Anakin Skywalker.
And from what i know of the Star Wars history, Anakin was still Anakin even when he joined the Dark Side. He ceased to be Anakin when more and more of his body was turned to machine, thus becoming a new entity by the name of Darth Vader.
Just because you are a Sith or member of the Dark Side, doesnt mean you have to change one's name. Palpatine is still Palpatine. He became the Emperor and didnt change his name, even though he was the leader of the Sith!

P.P.S - If you have any other matters needing resolved, i'm more than happy to help

 

[Orlanth]

Well, its nice to see you guys taking this "on the chin" instead of, like some other forums, the whole thing getting out of hand and a name-calling match starting!

Some of the things ive read here (characters, etc) seem to be workable, but things like using ships, planets should be kept to a minimum when it comes to the original trilogy.
The likes of using the Millenium Falcon shouldnt be used.
The ship was Calrisian's and Solo's and should be left at that.
We all know that this is the Star Wars universe, so there should be no need to continually go back and use what worked before.
The planets - Of course, central plantes (Coruscant, Tatooine, etc) should be used, but Lucas himself knew that you cant rely on what worked before which is why in EP II he diversified to such planets as Geonosis and Kamino.

The post ROTJ stories involving Luke having his own Jedi school, Han and Leia having kids etc, can be built into great EP VII, VIII and IX.
From what i have read in this forum have basically been what i would call and expanded universe story.
I wouldnt classify it as a possible Episode VII or anything like that.
There's only one man who could write a Star Wars story and have it considered as "the next episode"!

But, having said all this, and as a Star Wars fan myself, i do wish you guys luck in getting your story together and making it a good one......who cares if it's Episode VII, VIII or even XX? As long as you make it good and worthy of the SW Universe!

Cheers.

The Head.

P.S - As for my thing with the clone Vader, i know that Vader has always been Anakin Skywalker, but as we all know, he is more machine than man.
If you made a clone of Vader (from the human parts) when the clone was finished, it would be 100% flesh and bone, not part man/part machine. Being part machine (as well as a Sith) is what makes him what he is.
Therefore, if the clone was 100% flesh, it would essentially be a clone of Anakin Skywalker.
And from what i know of the Star Wars history, Anakin was still Anakin even when he joined the Dark Side. He ceased to be Anakin when more and more of his body was turned to machine, thus becoming a new entity by the name of Darth Vader.
Just because you are a Sith or member of the Dark Side, doesnt mean you have to change one's name. Palpatine is still Palpatine. He became the Emperor and didnt change his name, even though he was the leader of the Sith!

P.P.S - If you have any other matters needing resolved, i'm more than happy to help

Ok.

We haver used the Falcon, it was just a silly idea I said.

We have already said that we would not admit the Star Waars Novels and do our own kinda thing.

Anakin did however, became Darth Vader when we went to the Dark side. "Darth" is the title of the Sith.

Example: Darth Sidious, Darth Maul, and Darth Tyranus.

And theclone would be of Anakin,and the clone would be all flesh. I think you should go read the OOC thread for the last episode.

These is just for fun between Star Wars fans, it snt ment to be published in any way.

We keep it a lot like Ep IV, V, and VI because we want too.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Thanx for your suggestons, TheHead. drop any more whenever you like, or if you want, make a character and jump in (with Paen and Orlanth's approval of course). I agree that we have to get away from the originals a bit, and we're working on it, but like Orlanth said, we're just fans putting a few things together on our own.
Anyway, I think we need something to aim for in this. What I do when I'm writing fiction is look to what I want atthe end and work toward it, instead of throing things down and waiting to see where it leads. For now: the next battle should be our goal. When should it happen and where? And who will be involved.
But ultimately, we need to decide where this is heading and work toward that as a whole. Where do we end this?

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Let me know if Raine's post went too far. She said a lot, and I don't want to work against what we've already built. I feel I might have done that, or at least made a few statements that may not be what is wanted. I just figured it would be wise to acknowledge that the number of Jedi would have an effect on the way they wer etrained, meanign that at several points between when Luke Skywalker was the only Jedi and now, the Jedi would have had to double or triple up on padawans, at least, to have the numbers we have now, and that things of that wort would have weakened the effects of the training they recieved.
I figure, since we're changing so many other things about the jedi order, we might as well finally address that issue.
If I need to change or erase things, no problem, I'll gladly do so.

 

[Orlanth]

Looks good to me QC.

I'll post, but I feel there should be a little bit more before that.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

We can add things in as needs be. Just so long as I haven't contradicted anything. Is Paen stil around? Sweets?

 

[Sweetp4u]

*waves from the corner*

Present and accounted for

Im still here, just thinking.. watch out for smoke

 

[Paendragon]

I'm here. Just not able to get on for more than a few minutes at a time, right now.

 

[Orlanth]

I'm here, but waiting for youys to be here to.

With D'Rack, I'll post with him, but I need more time to pass in the RP. Moving from Yavin to Coruscant takes awhile.

PD, if you can't get on much, don't worry, we'll be here.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

I halted the Diora post when I did for the simple fact that I didn't remember, or perhaps know, the whole list of people who were supposed to go. I remember the three of them, and that's it.
Weren't there more?

 

[Paendragon]

Ummmm, Aela, Natasia, the Jedi.... and I'm drawing a blank.

Any of the refugees?

 

[Orlanth]

Hey all.

I've gotten home from hoiptal 5 days ago. I spent 2 weeks in,

That's why I haven't been here.

 

[Paendragon]

Hey all.

I've gotten home from hoiptal 5 days ago. I spent 2 weeks in,

That's why I haven't been here.

Dude, I didn't even see this. I somehow got unsubscribed.

Everything okay?

I haven't been writing for awhile either.

Personal issues. Let all my story threads expire.

I'd like to do this one though, if you're all still into it.

I know Sweet is.

let me know.

 

[Orlanth]

Dude, I didn't even see this. I somehow got unsubscribed.

Everything okay?

I haven't been writing for awhile either.

Personal issues. Let all my story threads expire.

I'd like to do this one though, if you're all still into it.

I know Sweet is.

let me know.

I lost 95% use of my legs, right leg has more scar tissue on it then just normal skin.

I was also told that I have a heart problem which can caurse a stroke, as well as a heart attack.

I'll still do the thread if I'm wanted.

 

[Paendragon]

I lost 95% use of my legs, right leg has more scar tissue on it then just normal skin.

I was also told that I have a heart problem which can caurse a stroke, as well as a heart attack.

I'll still do the thread if I'm wanted.

What happened?

 

[Quiet_Cool]

I lost 95% use of my legs, right leg has more scar tissue on it then just normal skin.

I was also told that I have a heart problem which can caurse a stroke, as well as a heart attack.

I'll still do the thread if I'm wanted.

Wanted? Hell, it's your thread as much as ours. If you need or want to stop, we understand, but if you want to stay, stay.
Sorry to hear about your ailments (if that's the best word), and I wish you the best. Curious what happened, but it's not my place to pry.

Anyway, as far as the thread goes, I have a few ideas that I thought you guys might want to consider and elaborate on. I was thinking about where Raine was heading and I've gotten to the point where I think I have something to work with, but where she goes (or things go concerning her) has to lead toward something that affects the storyline pretty drastically, therefore, I don't want to start moving that way until I have your approval.
Here's my thoughts. Her visions are basically the Force trying to tell her something, and what that is exactly I don't know, but I figure it mucst be a blood fued that leads back to the Sith Wars. I'm thinking it surrounds one Dracuurian in particular, someone of importance, who dies a Jedi padawan instead of taking whatever place the Dracuurians believe he should have held among his own people. His death would be brave, but not in the eyes of the attackers. Raine will be receiving visions not only of what is to come, but what has already transpired, though she won't know this for a while (maybe even the next thread). Her nature is to fight, to be defensive, and that means she resists (without any real intent) what the Force is trying to tell her, hence leading her down a path toward insanity. Naturally, she will finally learn to be more open and allow the Force to show her what it needs her to know, that the padwan died bravely, and that the battle ahead is one of anger and revenge more than anything else.
As for everything else, I'm wondering if the Jedi should decide to whether the beginning of the storm outside the battle, like they were suggesting before, not stay out, but strengthen themselves to make a better opposition. Fusion would refuse to join for that reason, but come to his senses later and help lead the Jedi to a Victory (?).
I'm also figuring that, perhaps, the battle in which this Dracuurian padawan dies has taken place on the planet where Raven and Marius are now, that the jedi they're in search of just then has sensed something important and gone to investigate and been attacked and killed (or seriously wounded) for her efforts. That would make the place where Raine needs to go to find her answers, ultimately. i also debated bringing in Yoda or Obi-wan to help her reach her destiny, ghosts of course...
Maybe this padawan is an ancestor of Duura'an? Or perhaps the old fued was brought to life again, when Duura'an left? Or both...?
I'll get back to you soon with more on these things...
Getting late here.

Q_C

 

[Paendragon]

Wanted? Hell, it's your thread as much as ours. If you need or want to stop, we understand, but if you want to stay, stay.
Sorry to hear about your ailments (if that's the best word), and I wish you the best. Curious what happened, but it's not my place to pry.

Anyway, as far as the thread goes, I have a few ideas that I thought you guys might want to consider and elaborate on. I was thinking about where Raine was heading and I've gotten to the point where I think I have something to work with, but where she goes (or things go concerning her) has to lead toward something that affects the storyline pretty drastically, therefore, I don't want to start moving that way until I have your approval.
Here's my thoughts. Her visions are basically the Force trying to tell her something, and what that is exactly I don't know, but I figure it mucst be a blood fued that leads back to the Sith Wars. I'm thinking it surrounds one Dracuurian in particular, someone of importance, who dies a Jedi padawan instead of taking whatever place the Dracuurians believe he should have held among his own people. His death would be brave, but not in the eyes of the attackers. Raine will be receiving visions not only of what is to come, but what has already transpired, though she won't know this for a while (maybe even the next thread). Her nature is to fight, to be defensive, and that means she resists (without any real intent) what the Force is trying to tell her, hence leading her down a path toward insanity. Naturally, she will finally learn to be more open and allow the Force to show her what it needs her to know, that the padwan died bravely, and that the battle ahead is one of anger and revenge more than anything else.
As for everything else, I'm wondering if the Jedi should decide to whether the beginning of the storm outside the battle, like they were suggesting before, not stay out, but strengthen themselves to make a better opposition. Fusion would refuse to join for that reason, but come to his senses later and help lead the Jedi to a Victory (?).
I'm also figuring that, perhaps, the battle in which this Dracuurian padawan dies has taken place on the planet where Raven and Marius are now, that the jedi they're in search of just then has sensed something important and gone to investigate and been attacked and killed (or seriously wounded) for her efforts. That would make the place where Raine needs to go to find her answers, ultimately. i also debated bringing in Yoda or Obi-wan to help her reach her destiny, ghosts of course...
Maybe this padawan is an ancestor of Duura'an? Or perhaps the old fued was brought to life again, when Duura'an left? Or both...?
I'll get back to you soon with more on these things...
Getting late here.

Q_C

Good stuff, all of it.

We could play up the Duu'Raan angle. I could make it that the caste he was from (we had decided that there were different castes, and that the warrors were the largest) was a sort of religious caste, that fell out of favor after the death of the Padawan. Perhaps the dead Padawan was a child of prophecy for them.

Remember, Duu'Raan escaped from his people when it was discovered he had a Force talent. Perhaps the warrior caste felt threatened due to the Padawan. I don't want Duu'Raan to be any kind of prophetic figure though, so we'd use him as mostly a source for information, and maybe an intermediary of sorts.

Still trying to figure out Tynan's place in all this. I thought about the irony of him being at the heart of the conflict, due to his particular skills, when he tries so hard to avoid that sort of thing. Maybe I can take him that direction anyway.

 

[Orlanth]

I like the ideas PD and QC.

D'Rack might be able to regain the trust of the Yavin order by risking his life to save some one importent to the order, someone like Duu'Raan?

Then he maybe a major part of the Jedi lead or the sole leader if we go that way.

If D'Rack is the sole leader of the Jedi, the council would be like people who advise him and converse about things. Like giving him lets say like only 75% controll?

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Glad you guys approve. Here's what I have thought over on the death of said padawan (though it might contradict what Lucas and company have already decided--not sure since I haven't really researched it). I figure, the padawan will sacrifice his own life in order to save other Jedi trying to escape, most likely after the Sith they're facing on the planet have killed his master. I have details worked out, but don't see the point in posting them just yet.
As for Tynan, he fits in pretty much anywhere. To tell the truth, so long as he continues to train Luke, he already has a strong purpose, just like Marius does. I'm trying to shift focus to Raven with him more than keep it on him, after his fairly key role in the first one. makes sense to me that Raven and Luke would be on their way to becoming the characters that Tynan and Raine are now later in life, so I wanted to get her some time on the main stage (might not be able to really do that in this thread, though).
Maybe we should work out a list of where we want to go with this. It's moving a lot slower than the first one did...

 

[Paendragon]

Anyone?

 

[Sweetp4u]

hmmmmm?

 

[Paendragon]

hmmmmm?

Just checking to see if anyone is interested in reviving this thing.






Again.