OPENLY RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC LANGUAGE - Is this really allowed here????

[ChloeOfCascadia]

Do you think it's actually ok to use the "N-word"? Not hypothetically, not using bs logic trying to be clever.

I have used it twice, and I fully believe I was okay both times.

1. In teaching lessons on world war 2 and american slavery, and other historical instances of people using dehumanizing rhetoric to make it okay to treat human being like animals, or objects, in other words, the horrific things they did to human beings but it was "okay" at the time because they weren't equal, or weren't considered human, or had been dehumanized and propagandized into being the hated other, the enemy, I made sure to list the full uncensored slurs that their persecutors used. Those were the words used to make atrocities "okay" to the average person. Never forget.

2. While moderating a site, I asked fellow moderators and people who had been harassed by bullies and racists and other assorted creeps, let's make a list of all the banned slurs.

Ergo, I had to type out those slurs. The n word was included on the list.

So, two purposes- explaining why these words are always used as a prelude to violence, war crimes, and the worst atrocities in history, which is why they are not just harmless insults.

AND

Listing them as things that shall be policed as hate speech, for the above reason.

And I felt not a twinge of guilt writing out all the slurs in full each time.

Because I was reminding people why these slurs shouldn't be part of our community's speech, ever. And, I was not using them to dehumanize or insult anyone.

I was saying, this word, was used, to hurt people, how, when, and why.

And, that we should police its usage, and this is why.

And the only people who ever objected were the worst sort of shitbag humans you don't want in your community anyway.

Without apologies, both them and those words were promptly banned.

And it made every single community better for it. Every time. Without exception.

However, as a regular user, I follow the rule when it says not to use the word.

Because I follow the rules of the communities I frequent.

 

[YDB95]

so killing is fine but using words not fine ?

Neither she nor anyone else here said that.

did no one ever teach you sticks and stones ?

The rhyme is wrong: words do have real power, and they can hurt. And you know it, too, which is why you're dodging the questions about whether you would use the N-word in public.

 

[aiyia]

so killing is fine but using words not fine ? did no one ever teach you sticks and stones ?

Sorry, when did I say anything about killing anyone? I did not, and that has nothing to do with the topic under discussion.

You're very obviously deflecting, and doing it rather poorly.

 

[YDB95]

did you not say nuke someone ?

Meaning ban them from the message boards, not kill them. And you know it.

 

[aiyia]

ChloeOfCascadia said:
I do want a decent community where bigots and fascists and homophobes don't get to slander, spread libel, and antagonize the other 95 percent of the community with impunity.

I would nuke each person without hesitation and on sight.

I think it's very clear what she meant.

 

[aiyia]

it's a word. i mean come on get over it: stop being such nanny's.

You're not winning the argument by pretending to be ignorant. It's a word, but words have meaning and intent.

Like I said, you yourself don't use the word, because you know it will offend everyone who hears you say it.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing. And your arguments are very, very weak.

 

[aiyia]

like i said when you start banning everything you don't want said, when does it ever stop? who decides what the next thing you can't say is ?

This particular word has been decided. If you disagree, go say it. See what happens. You'll get beat up, fired, dumped by friends and family.

 

[aiyia]

i think hate should be ban ! get enough people and guess what saying hate will be banned! it's not a good thing. it's either free speech or not

Go ahead. See if you can do that.

 

[aiyia]

yall people are the problem stop making a big deal about words! they are words. i dont like what you say you don't see me silencing you

Words can hurt. Racist words hurt. You know this. You're pretending you don't.

 

[ChloeOfCascadia]

I want to note how the free speech absolutists want to protect blood libel and hate speech, but are perfectly fine dehumanizing everyone else and removing their rights and votes in real life, are fine rounding them up and shooting them, deporting them to countries they've never lived in, ripping families apart, deporting 5 year old U.S. citizens for being hispanic in America.

They're fine with everyone else's freedoms being trodden upon, and they hate the second amendment the instant the black panthers show up to defend civilians against militarized fascist non police pretending to be police.

They don't care that they have double standards, and whenever they argue for their freedom, they take a selective absolutist position that suggests, well, you have to let the nazis be bigots, otherwise your normal political opinion, if ever unpopular, would be censored too, the slipperly slope argument.

That only ever comes out in defense of their hate speech.

They defend zero rights, especially anyone else's rights, if it interferes with their political agenda.

This is like when Republicans vote for people who openly suggest, hey, let's remove the right to vote from people, let's de-fund polling centers, understaff them, remove the right to vote by mail, throw away overseas votes, and openly suggest ignoring the constitution and having a dictator and putting political opponents in prison for no reason other than being Democrats.

They love that shit. So they don't give a single actual shit about freedom, equality, fairness, or rights.

They want to use those concepts to make sure their agenda is included, and becomes the dominant agenda, so they can end freedom for everyone else, enforce strict inequality, be as unfair to opponents as possible, and also be unfair in favor of their own party with pardons, and putting tons of police in blue states and not putting ICE agents all over texas, for example, where most of the illegal migrant workers would exist in a given state.

That's because we don't enforce the laws on Republicans, we only attack political opponents, as policy.

So when they try to use the mechanisms of democracy to end democracy, to use constitutional rights to end those rights for everyone else, to use the language of freedom to argue for freedom that only applies to themselves, it's a trick.

They're asking you for permission to make hate and atrocity and fascism and murder perfectly legitimate opinions carrying equal weight and protection.

Those aren't political opinions, those are threats. And terroristic ones at that. We ban those, if we have any sense at all, or understanding of history.

All the bigots, racists, homophobes, terrorists, they get one chance to prove who they are, and the instant they do, they get put in ban jail. Where they belong.

That's how you police a community.

And you don't treat someone who is legitimately trying to follow the rules and maybe posted in the wrong forum as equally in violation of the rulebook. They get more chances than one.

Simple simple. This is the policy I advocate for, with the freedom to say so, if I have such.

If ever put in a position of overseeing a community, those would be the values I would attempt to persuade of the entire staff and make it into policy.

Hate speech would be nuked on sight. It wouldn't get a second chance. The terms used as hate speech would be listed.

If you advocate for it but avoid the slur itself, you would be banned just as fast as if you said the word.

Calling trans folks a slur, would be treated the same as saying ah but the science shows they don't really exist. That's false, by the way, but moderators aren't here to educate people. Just, if you're posting hate speech or bigoted supremacist beliefs, that's just as bad as a slur, and you'd be escorted out.

No one is obligated to teach you about gender or sexuality being a spectrum, or show you what intersex is, and why that's biologically real. You can google stuff on your own. All that matters is you don't get to persecute a minority and dehumanize them anymore and advocate for removing their equal rights and standing in the community.

This is a sex website, not a stronghold for the KKK. And that would remain a fact the entire time I'd have any say in it. Hope the staff here concurs with that.

Moderating sucks, but what's even worse, is if there's no one moderating or they allow hate speech. That's worse than doing the moderating yourself, as much as it sucks, it's better that someone with a head on their shoulders presses the ban button on occasion.

The TLDR is this is someone else's paid home. It's not public property, it is private property, and they can ask you to leave, even trespass you. And have the police escort you away permanently, if you misbehave.

You can have your free speech elsewhere, in discord chats and instant messengers and any place that is public, like an actual street corner, if you live in a country where free speech is granted by the government. Or in a person's house that allows that.

You want to have a klan rally at a friend's house, and they're a klan member, I'm sure that's fine. Just not in this house.

That's fair, those are the rules we all already live by. No special privileges and special freedoms just for the Nazis. Nope.

 

[aiyia]

no freedom of speech is not an argument and shouldn't be! people like you create less freedom. which is not what words and freedom are about, stop being a nanny.

Freedom of speech has limits. If someone sells intel to enemies, is that covered by freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech can and will be curtailed when it is harmful. Hate speech is harmful.

 

[Rebel5soul]

It's NOT what you say, it's how you say it. Inflection and emphasis is all.

 

[aiyia]

words do not hurt. sticks and stones hurt. ask anyone who lives and actually got hit ! cuz it ain't you nanny's asses

Words don't hurt? Then why are you so triggered?

 

[aiyia]

It's NOT what you say, it's how you say it. Inflection and emphasis is all.

How would you change the inflection and emphasis of the N-word to make it ok?

 

[aiyia]

i'm pretty sure you take an oath to not give away military secrets! not the same as some words on the internet in an open forum that you don't like to hear! sorry !

Why should an "oath" take precedence over absolute free speech, which you are advocating?

There are and always will be SOME restriction on what you "can" say, and where you can say it.

Anyway, nobody's stopping you from saying it. I'm merely pointing out that there are consequences and that YOU KNOW THIS.

 

[aiyia]

ok this is dumb! yall win. go control the internet !

Thanks!

 

[aiyia]

me ? you started a thread about a word and calling for bans and mods come on

I didn't start it. I've been responding to what you said.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I want to note how the free speech absolutists want to protect blood libel and hate speech, but are perfectly fine dehumanizing everyone else and removing their rights and votes in real life, are fine rounding them up and shooting them, deporting them to countries they've never lived in, ripping families apart, deporting 5 year old U.S. citizens for being hispanic in America.

They're fine with everyone else's freedoms being trodden upon, and they hate the second amendment the instant the black panthers show up to defend civilians against militarized fascist non police pretending to be police.

They don't care that they have double standards, and whenever they argue for their freedom, they take a selective absolutist position that suggests, well, you have to let the nazis be bigots, otherwise your normal political opinion, if ever unpopular, would be censored too, the slipperly slope argument.

That only ever comes out in defense of their hate speech.

They defend zero rights, especially anyone else's rights, if it interferes with their political agenda.

This is like when Republicans vote for people who openly suggest, hey, let's remove the right to vote from people, let's de-fund polling centers, understaff them, remove the right to vote by mail, throw away overseas votes, and openly suggest ignoring the constitution and having a dictator and putting political opponents in prison for no reason other than being Democrats.

They love that shit. So they don't give a single actual shit about freedom, equality, fairness, or rights.

They want to use those concepts to make sure their agenda is included, and becomes the dominant agenda, so they can end freedom for everyone else, enforce strict inequality, be as unfair to opponents as possible, and also be unfair in favor of their own party with pardons, and putting tons of police in blue states and not putting ICE agents all over texas, for example, where most of the illegal migrant workers would exist in a given state.

That's because we don't enforce the laws on Republicans, we only attack political opponents, as policy.

So when they try to use the mechanisms of democracy to end democracy, to use constitutional rights to end those rights for everyone else, to use the language of freedom to argue for freedom that only applies to themselves, it's a trick.

They're asking you for permission to make hate and atrocity and fascism and murder perfectly legitimate opinions carrying equal weight and protection.

Those aren't political opinions, those are threats. And terroristic ones at that. We ban those, if we have any sense at all, or understanding of history.

All the bigots, racists, homophobes, terrorists, they get one chance to prove who they are, and the instant they do, they get put in ban jail. Where they belong.

That's how you police a community.

And you don't treat someone who is legitimately trying to follow the rules and maybe posted in the wrong forum as equally in violation of the rulebook. They get more chances than one.

Simple simple. This is the policy I advocate for, with the freedom to say so, if I have such.

If ever put in a position of overseeing a community, those would be the values I would attempt to persuade of the entire staff and make it into policy.

Hate speech would be nuked on sight. It wouldn't get a second chance. The terms used as hate speech would be listed.

If you advocate for it but avoid the slur itself, you would be banned just as fast as if you said the word.

Calling trans folks a slur, would be treated the same as saying ah but the science shows they don't really exist. That's false, by the way, but moderators aren't here to educate people. Just, if you're posting hate speech or bigoted supremacist beliefs, that's just as bad as a slur, and you'd be escorted out.

No one is obligated to teach you about gender or sexuality being a spectrum, or show you what intersex is, and why that's biologically real. You can google stuff on your own. All that matters is you don't get to persecute a minority and dehumanize them anymore and advocate for removing their equal rights and standing in the community.

This is a sex website, not a stronghold for the KKK. And that would remain a fact the entire time I'd have any say in it. Hope the staff here concurs with that.

Moderating sucks, but what's even worse, is if there's no one moderating or they allow hate speech. That's worse than doing the moderating yourself, as much as it sucks, it's better that someone with a head on their shoulders presses the ban button on occasion.

The TLDR is this is someone else's paid home. It's not public property, it is private property, and they can ask you to leave, even trespass you. And have the police escort you away permanently, if you misbehave.

You can have your free speech elsewhere, in discord chats and instant messengers and any place that is public, like an actual street corner, if you live in a country where free speech is granted by the government. Or in a person's house that allows that.

You want to have a klan rally at a friend's house, and they're a klan member, I'm sure that's fine. Just not in this house.

That's fair, those are the rules we all already live by. No special privileges and special freedoms just for the Nazis. Nope.

The Parable of the Nazi Bar

 

[Saint_Ann]

Lit's new legal department is a lot more tolerant.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Lit's new legal department is a lot more tolerant.

I see a lobby forming for a new forum.

 

[Saint_Ann]

I see a lobby forming for a new forum.

Belly Button Lint.

 

[PaxNurgle]

In the thread "Tumps Orders Removal Confederate Monument," there is a user Chadrone who is openly using racist and homophobis slurs.

I'm talking the N-word and the F-word.

I've reported it. I'm trying to make sure somebody in charge here sees it. This is not okay!

It is NOT okay, and it is, in fact, forbidden according to site rules. But the enforcement of such rules seems to be VERY selective, for whatever reason.

Also keep in mind that this user you mention has already been banned a dozen times (using different screen names each time) while another user- need not mention who, you'll spot him easily enough if you are new and hang around this forum, is literally on his ONE HUNDREDTH screen name- his other 99 have been banned.
And no, THAT IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION.

 

[HisArpy]

My simple rule is to not type any words I would not say out loud to my own mother in public. I would get my mouth washed out with soap even now.

This forum probably isn't the place for you, miss goodie 2 shoes.

 

[Lazaran]

The Parable of the Nazi Bar

The MAGAts are trying to turn America into that Nazi Bar…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[OpenMindedMom_MCHL]

This forum probably isn't the place for you, miss goodie 2 shoes.

Thank you officer Doofus from the Lit police. I thought anyone was welcome here.. but I am apparently stupid for not getting your permission and a copy of your rules for posting a simple comment.