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[butters]

something i learned in beginner economics: you can't keep printing money without causing inflation.

 

[Senna Jawa]

something i learned in beginner economics: you can't keep printing money without causing inflation.

They didn't teach you well or you were a poor student.

Anyway, we have inflation most of the time anyway. The advantages of my easy tax compared to the present day taxing methods are so overwhelming that there is nothing to talk about.

In particular:

• the easy tax would be dramatically lower than the existing tax.
• the number of people doing useful work would increase significantly.

Let me mention that the easy tax can be implemented, as the AoA's smoothness and increment axiom wants it, within 3 to 5 years, no sweat.

 

[Senna Jawa]

Some of the AoA axioms

To [...] think in the abstract [...] is [...] rewarding.

Indeed . Observe that easy tax and its implementation satisfy (or address) the following of the AoA's Axioms

• minimality;
• simplicity;
• focus
• directness;
• incremental progress;
• smoothness.
• flexibility.

The last three mentioned axioms relate to the method of implementing the easy tax. The economy and people would breathe easy.

PS. There are more AoA axioms than above.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Empty vessels make the most noise.

 

[butters]

They didn't teach you well or you were a poor student.

Anyway, we have inflation most of the time anyway. The advantages of my easy tax compared to the present day taxing methods are so overwhelming that there is nothing to talk about.

In particular:

• the easy tax would be dramatically lower than the existing tax.
• the number of people doing useful work would increase significantly.

Let me mention that the easy tax can be implemented, as the AoA's smoothness and increment axiom wants it, within 3 to 5 years, no sweat.

then you'd be wrong. quelle surprise.

 

[todski28]

Go for it, todski, I welcome you.

Let me give you just a single sample of what I have invented forty years ago:

easy tax​

(I also called it a painless tax)

The easy tax can bring prosperity to any reasonably advanced country (e.g. the USA, Poland, ...); this could affect positively the whole world.

REMARK 1. Over three years ago, in the fall of 2015, I've invented knaB which is a total financial system (it amounts to a total economic system), and it's still way better than the easy tax. However, the two -- the easy tax and knaB -- can cooperate if knaB didn't totally prevail over the economy. Both, the easy tax and especially knaB would make people so much nicer!!!

The easy tax is simple -- a committee decides how much money the government will need the next year. Then, when the new year starts, the named amount, say in 12 monthly installments, is printed and given to the government.

THIS IS ALL​

We see tremendous advantages of easy tax:

• no need for millions of people to fill up the forms;
• people will not have to feel guilty about cheating on taxes--people would be more honest and less hypocritical;
• nobody will go to prison;
• no need for any IRS army (or other tax institutions);
• no more stifling business tax rules;
• barter would be legal (when applicable, barter is the most efficient way of doing business)
• the easy tax would be dramatically lower than the existing tax.
• etc.

REMARK 2. The world is CHAOS. Thus, only one my idea (from 1981; actually, from 1977) made a significant impact on technology. Actually, I didn't know it until a few weeks ago, that my idea has contributed to the downfall of communism. You may read what two engineers have written on a FaceBook group (or two connected groups) -- for this, join the Facebook group

The IPLI Gang
​

Now, todski, you may be getting glimpses of what Thinking means and how important it is. This should expand your imagination. Now you may attempt to do Thinking too.

It to me seems too easy, I have questions on a lot of the premis before I get into the meat of the proposal....

First, how is one elected or how does one gain access to the committee?

Creating a monetary printing press for government resources alone seems like a good idea, however printing an almost infote amount of money has not done countries like Cambodia or Venezuela any degree of good by bumping the inflation rate they have devalued their currencies to impossibly sustainable levels.... millions of dollars for a litre of milk sounds like false wealth to me. (I am operating from a large degree of ignorance in this statement, and using what I consider common sense to ascertain a reason, as opposed to drawing on knwoledhe about the subject.) Value is generally derived from a supply and demand prinicipal, I.e rocks can’t be a form of currency because they are ridiculously plentiful, gold however can be used due to its difficulty to obtain and locate as well as its finite nature.

Creating a centralised power to monetary development for government spending will invite in my mind a greater proportion of specialised interests groups to campaign for resources I think as it plays out it will bloat the government with useless slush funds

I don’t know but it also seems as if centralisation of that much power would incite corruption at a larger scale

 

[Senna Jawa]

INFLATION explained

then you'd be wrong. quelle surprise.

First, buttress, you've thoughtlessly repeated the shallow statement:

you can't keep printing money without causing inflation.
​

It's ok that you're ignorant but you had to add that snotty sound:

something i learned in beginner economics​

There are more participants here hence I will explain to them the inflation notion.

After showing your ignorance, buttress, you followed by trolling:

then you'd be wrong. quelle surprise.​

Thus, UnderYourSpell has described you, buttress, perfectly well:

Empty vessels make the most noise.​

Now, buttress, relax, clean up your snotty nose, you sound like _buttstress.​

***************

Many years ago, when my youngest was still in her teens, she came home very unhappy. There were a lot of rules about solving math problems involving %, each problem was to be solved by a different rule. Her class and herself were overwhelmed. I told her:

% _is an exact synonym of _1/100
​

THAT'S ALL. Not a word more. She was solving problems so smoothly that I never heard a word about this % issue, we never mentioned it at all.

***

Back to INFLATION. There are related events for a complex economic situation but I will provide you with a metaphor which will allow you to address not only inflation but also the related questions.

There is a country PoT, which stands for Potatoes and Theater. The total money in PoT is $1M. It produces 800K kilograms of potatoes per year, and 200 theatrical plays per year. And this is the whole economy of PoT.

Next year the production of potatoes and plays went up to 880K of potatoes, and to 220 plays. They also printed extra money for a total $1.1M (of the old and new).

What is inflation (or deflation?)? Do we have an inflation of about 10%? NO, the inflation is exactly ZERO.

 

[butters]

First, buttress, you've thoughtlessly repeated the shallow statement:

you can't keep printing money without causing inflation.
​

It's ok that you're ignorant but you had to add that snotty sound:

something i learned in beginner economics​

There are more participants here hence I will explain to them the inflation notion.

After showing your ignorance, buttress, you followed by trolling:

then you'd be wrong. quelle surprise.​

Thus, UnderYourSpell has described you, buttress, perfectly well:

Empty vessels make the most noise.​

Now, buttress, relax, clean up your snotty nose, you sound like _buttstress.​

***************
.

guess you didn't quite catch this forum's posting rules, huh?

 

[butters]

*just smiles*

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Hey, hey Senna you've already been told once. You've been here long enough to know the rules. Name calling is for the school playground, everyone else has been polite to you, kindly keep a civil tongue in your head!

 

[Senna Jawa]

It to me seems too easy, [...]

Easy tax is extremely simple and easy, especially when you compare with what we have!!!

First, how is one elected or how does one gain access to the committee?

With your attitude, nothing in this world would happen. A committee of 6 to 8 experts (plus small stuff) would easily do the job. It'd be done under public scrutiny. Perhaps the Congress (or Parlament) would have to approve it.

Be fair, compare this with the zillions of committees and projects today, which decide non-stop about

• tax brackets
• exemptions
• not for profit status
• how should tips be taxed?
• how to tax married and other couples?
• should a taxpayer go to prison or should they be only penalized?
• how to treat the tax postponements?
• etc. etc. etc. etc. ...

You're talking about a huge army of parasitic bureaucrats!

[...] Cambodia or Venezuela [...]

This has nothing to do with the easy tax theme.

Creating a centralized power to monetary development for government spending will invite in my mind a greater proportion of specialized interests groups to campaign for resources I think as it plays out it will bloat the government with useless slush funds

I don’t know but it also seems as if centralization of that much power would incite corruption at a larger scale

This is what you have now, centralization and corruption. The government by doing a zilion of unnecessary things makes itself more powerful, makes itself indispensable, and it has all this bureaucratic army which supports the government. The easy tax would reduce the bureaucratic army. The easy tax gives more freedom to people (e.g. barter would be fine) -- there is nothing in under the easy tax which would increase the power of government as compared to the present situation.

REMARK: knaB is still much better. Under knaB the issue of inflation does not exist. What counts is the production only. The number of knabies (knaB's money) per knaber is always the same, 10K. There is no room for any financial manipulations. The value of a knab is

(total_product) / (total_knabies)​

-- no more mysteries. When people work more then a knabie has a higher value. Period. Here

total_knabie = 10K * n​

where n is the number of knabers. Everybody can be a knaber, even a baby; it's only to a person's advantage to be a knaber. A person can have only one knaB id/membership, never more.

 

[Senna Jawa]

What is it about?

The so-called poems -- it's not about taste, it's about the lack of taste.

-- wh, 2019-02-26
---- (A translation of my Polish original).

 

[champagne1982]

I read the last bit and oddly enough,
while interesting stuff,
money proves again
it is the root of all that's evil.

Name calling
bully acts
condecension
rude...

Time, I think
for some silly rhyming
foooood..

 

[todski28]

I read the last bit and oddly enough,
while interesting stuff,
money proves again
it is the root of all that's evil.

Name calling
bully acts
condecension
rude...

Time, I think
for some silly rhyming
foooood..

Money and wealth are fascinating concepts to me, we invest our most important commodity time into the gaining of an abstraction that we all agree on as “valuable” so we don’t starve to death and we created society in the form of a meritocracy so that the large bulk of us don’t starve and those with the highest intelligence and drive can drag the rest forward.

The thing is money and wealth aren’t the root of all evil, human nature, pettiness, resentfulness and greed for more is where it resides, that and our ability to become nihilistic and vengeful on the world.

Human nature and it’s interplay is the great comedy, drama and tragedy of life, because we have the ability to choose how we act and in wealthier countries the ability to obtain what we need to survive, what we lack is something larger to give us meaning and purpose, what used to be the domain of religion, despite how flawed religion is as a concept it gave unifying purpose and drive, gave people a larger meaning than

We are born
We grow old
We die

Nothing is relevant because all we amount to is an insignificant speck

 

[Senna Jawa]

Who does own PF&D?

Why?

The stupid hypocritical brutal pseudo-poets dumb the PF&D down.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

Why?

The stupid hypocritical brutal pseudo-poets dumb the PF&D down.

Do they? Possibly someone who's already been here and been caught out lying through their teeth?

 

[Senna Jawa]

Do they? Possibly someone who's already been here and been caught out lying through their teeth?

That's you, UnderYourSpell, alright, nothing new. You're one of them.

Small dogs and bitches bark and piss under my shoe, no big deal. But I have successes in my life, unlike them. You are not even able to dream about a life full of meaning.

 

[butters]

oh my, someone has his poetic panties in a twist today. bless his heart.

 

[butters]

no one is forcing anyone to stay here. just sayin'

if the forum's not to one's taste, there's a world wide web full of other places to post.

 

[butters]

there's nothing wrong in having a well-developed sense of ego - until it gets in the way of poetry or having a balanced sense of discussion about it.

some here may know more about the technical side of writing having studied it in college or university, some may have many publications (many of us here have), some may engage regularly in the outside world with poetic events - but if anyone expects respect by demanding it or tossing out 'achievements' whilst displaying a rude, boorish manner they can whistle till the proverbial cows come home.

i regularly engage with professors and artists (whose work in paint is combined with poetry and hung in galleries, for example), editors and more, from various sites, plus have had plenty of stuff published in print over the years, more than i can actually recall ... none of that, NONE, make me above anyone else here on the forum. we are ALL on the journey, all still learning the craft, hopefully improving, hopefully still creating. we may be at different places on the journey, but we are ALL journeying. we all have something to bring to the table, some new perspective, some different way with words, new things to show others here. leave your ego at the door; it'll still be there when you leave.

 

[butters]

brutal psuedo-poetsRus *smirk*

 

[butters]

pork joint waiting to roast, chicken&ham casserole-y thingy waiting to get cooked. maybe they'll inspire a li'l poetry as they bake. who knows? maybe proof'll be in the eating

 

[UnderYourSpell]

That's you, UnderYourSpell, alright, nothing new. You're one of them.

Small dogs and bitches bark and piss under my shoe, no big deal. But I have successes in my life, unlike them. You are not even able to dream about a life full of meaning.

One of who? and for that matter who are them? I used to write about 'them' when I was a teenager full of angst Right now the likes of you can't touch me however mean spirited their little spiteful words are, my life is full of meaning and love. It's you I pity, yours comes nowhere near the happiness in mine.

 

[bronzeage]

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw parties.

This is a social forum open to anyone with an internet connection, so the bar which limits who can post, is somewhere near the center of the Earth.

That being reality, no one's comments or criticism have any more currency than others assign it, and comments and critiques will be judged, just as poems are. Some people add value to the discussion and some don't.

Just as some people want their work to be considered and valued by an audience, some don't care, or claim to not care, but still present it for reading. No one knows why. Poets are weird.

 

[Senna Jawa]

(Bronzeage, long tiime no see).

Just as some people want their work to be considered and valued by an audience, some don't care or claim to not care, but still, present it for reading. No one knows why. Poets are weird.

Or some are tired.

Thus, these days, I don't deposit my poor thingies into the archive, it is too much trouble.

I am even more tired of the constant BS trolling from the majority of the most active participants here. Thus the little I write I do almost exclusively in Polish these days.

Poetry is a social thing, poems are written for meaningful readers. It's ironic, again and again -- I'd go away from Literotica, I would write a bunch, then I fool myself into coming back, I post some, then the local regular idiots make me cool down, no more poems, I leave, then again I write a bunch, etc. Well, now I am older, I am even beyond archeological.