Political alt-history question: What if Catholicism hadn't come to the US?

[phrodeau]

Why stay on topic? Is this anything worthy of discussion?

I mean, if you were trying to write an alt history story you might appreciate the input you've received. Also, you would probably do much better on the Author's Hangout.

As it is, you're just clogging up the board with bull pies.

 

[Real_American11]

Is this anything worthy of discussion?

Yes, the question which your damaged SJW brain can't grasp.

I mean, if you were trying to write an alt history story you might appreciate the input you've received.

This isn't a story, this is the correct board.

 

[phrodeau]

Yes, the question which your damaged SJW brain can't grasp.

This isn't a story, this is the correct board.

Then I will respond in your style.

"Shut your fooking gob, you worthless wanker."

 

[Real_American11]

"Shut your fooking gob, you worthless wanker."

Concession accepted.

 

[great lover]

Lots of little boys would have been safer?

That is tragic and some people are giving us a bad name.

 

[torchthebitch]

So America was a Protestant country from it's founding, both in colonial and post-revolutionary times.

Nah. It was essentially Dissenter.

 

[Real_American17]

Nah. It was essentially Dissenter.

Were Puritans, Pilgrims, Quakers, etc. not Protestant?

Also when the colonies were growing weren't a lot of the colonists from the Church of England?

Either way the question is what changes without Catholicism...

 

[1sickbastard]

Were Puritans, Pilgrims, Quakers, etc. not Protestant?

Also when the colonies were growing weren't a lot of the colonists from the Church of England?

Either way the question is what changes without Catholicism...

What changes is Columbus never got the financing from their Most Catholic Majesties, Ferdinand and Ysabelle. It also means the French and Portuguese never explored the western ocean. It means the "New World" was likely 'found' and colonized by the Russians, perhaps the Chinese, and your sorry-ass ancestors stayed the shit-poor peasants they were in Europe, which means you would probably be a pinko commie atheist bastard going on about some other nonsense (though not on Literotica).

The first English Colony, Jamestown, wasn't established until 1607, more than a century after Columbus, more than seven decades after Cortez conquered the Aztecs and became Governor of New Spain, and more than six decades after the establishment of New France.

Of course, if you actually knew fuck-all about history, you'd have realized the "protestant" English were very much the late-comers to the New World colonization game.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course, if you actually knew fuck-all about history, you'd have realized the "protestant" English were very much the late-comers to the New World colonization game.

He's a Marine....after about 30 years of chilling he'll be just like vette.

 

[Real_American17]

Of course, if you actually knew fuck-all about history, you'd have realized the "protestant" English were very much the late-comers to the New World colonization game.

If you weren't a nigger, maybe you would have read the OP?

This isn't a "What if Catholicism hadn't existed?" This is not even about the New World, this is about the colonies that would eventually form the United States of America. You know the ones on the East Coast, being colonized primarily by people from Great Britain.

 

[1sickbastard]

If you weren't a nigger, maybe you would have read the OP?

This isn't a "What if Catholicism hadn't existed?" This is not even about the New World, this is about the colonies that would eventually form the United States of America. You know the ones on the East Coast, being colonized primarily by people from Great Britain.

Yeah, which wouldn't have occurred if the Catholic nation states (particularly the Spanish Hapsburg's) hadn't discovered and colonized the New World ahead of the English, which allowed the united crown of Leon and Castille (under Charles I) to pose a real existential threat to the British.

Sorry buckwheat, history doesn't happen in a vacuum, not even the British colony of Maryland, which was established by Lord Baltimore, under licence from the British Crown, as a refuge for English Catholics.

Go back to your "Father Knows Best" fantasy-land, because that's the only place you're ever going to find your perfect WASP-topia

 

[Real_American17]

Yeah, which wouldn't have occurred if the Catholic nation states (particularly the Spanish Hapsburg's) hadn't discovered and colonized the New World ahead of the English, which allowed the united crown of Leon and Castille (under Charles I) to pose a real existential threat to the British.

Sorry buckwheat, history doesn't happen in a vacuum, not even the British colony of Maryland, which was established by Lord Baltimore, under licence from the British Crown, as a refuge for English Catholics.

Go back to your "Father Knows Best" fantasy-land, because that's the only place you're ever going to find your perfect WASP-topia

It's clear you are to simple minded to understand even the basic premise of the OP.

 

[1sickbastard]

double post

 

[1sickbastard]

It's clear you are to simple minded to understand even the basic premise of the OP.

Oh, I completely get the premise; you're a low-IQ ignoramus with little imagination and even less rhetorical skill.

But I'll indulge the question, no matter how inane and disconnected from reality:
If Catholicism hadn't come to the US, Real_American (does't matter which number) would still be a pathetic, miserable bigot, pissing and moaning his fear and ignorance on the internet in a desperate bid for attention.

 

[Real_American17]

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Yeah so you aren't smart enough, got it.

 

[1sickbastard]

Yeah so you aren't smart enough, got it.

Yes, I'm definitely not smart like you. You're a very, very special kinda smart.

So special, they had a special little bus and special little classes for you as a child.

 

[Real_American17]

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Yeah so you aren't smart enough, got it.

 

[1sickbastard]

Yeah so you aren't smart enough, got it.

Aw, did the poor special guy run out of insults as well?

 

[Real_American17]

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Yeah so you aren't smart enough, got it.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Poor UnReal American.. Life must be hard with a room temperature IQ.

 

[badbabysitter]

It's clear you are to simple minded to understand even the basic premise of the OP.

It's because the basic premise of the OP is flawed

if the US was founded and supported by Protestantism instead of Catholicism there would have to be a massive rewriting of North American history


just no getting around it.. Catholics had the money and the power, Protestants not so much

 

[Real_American17]

if the US was founded and supported by Protestantism instead of Catholicism there would have to be a massive rewriting of North American history

But that is the entire point of the OP, this is an alt-history topic.

Why is this going over everyone's head?

The entire point is to "be a massive rewriting of North American history"...

The east coast was mainly Protestant, whether looking at the Puritans, the Pilgrims, the mainly English colonists and American born citizens of the 13 Colonies that fought against the British Crown and created the United States of America.

The question is what if their anti-Catholic sentiment kept the later mass immigration from Catholic nations from happening, and kept Catholics from being able to hold political office.

Basically what if Catholics never became anything more than at most a small minority?

 

[badbabysitter]

But that is the entire point of the OP, this is an alt-history topic.

Why is this going over everyone's head?

The entire point is to "be a massive rewriting of North American history"...

The east coast was mainly Protestant, whether looking at the Puritans, the Pilgrims, the mainly English colonists and American born citizens of the 13 Colonies that fought against the British Crown and created the United States of America.

The question is what if their anti-Catholic sentiment kept the later mass immigration from Catholic nations from happening, and kept Catholics from being able to hold political office.

Basically what if Catholics never became anything more than at most a small minority?

Then North American history would have been vastly rewritten.. because the US and North America did not end at the 13 colonies

the reason why all those cities did well on the Great Lakes is because of Trade down the St Lawrence.. which went right through the French Dominion of Canada, and mainly through Montreal which was founded by Catholics and is North America's oldest city

exploration of the western states had massive backing from the Church, at least pre Independence for the US.. you would also have to erase that.. you would have to erase all the efforts to tame the southwest..which was massively funded by the Church

also, if anti-Catholic sentiment had been so strong in the states to keep them out... the States would still have had to trade with a mostly Catholic world surrounding them. and the Holy See can be vindictive bastards

essentially, America would have started as a third world shit hole with no allies and no trade

 

[Real_American17]

Then North American history would have been vastly rewritten.. because the US and North America did not end at the 13 colonies

Yeah, but this isn't about North America, this is about colonial and post-war USA.

also, if anti-Catholic sentiment had been so strong in the states to keep them out... the States would still have had to trade with a mostly Catholic world surrounding them. and the Holy See can be vindictive bastards

Didn't stop the British from getting rid of the Catholic Church and making the Church of England.

 

[badbabysitter]

Yeah, but this isn't about North America, this is about colonial and post-war USA.

Didn't stop the British from getting rid of the Catholic Church and making the Church of England.

how exactly is colonial and post colonial US not part of North America?


and you know what happened when England did that.. little thing called the War of the Roses.. followed by hundred of years of Protestant/Catholic violence


your premise is you want everything catholicism did for the US... but magically having done so without any catholics


that's why your premise is flawed