Polls show Hillary's lead slipping!

[JackLuis]

Hillz got a convention bounce and is now +4.4 in a four way race. Johnson and Stine doing better, too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Apart from the Jill Stein votes that many Bernie supporters will cast.

Yeah but nobody!!!!

Jill Stein won't get shit, she's going to do worse than Johnson.

Honestly between his tax plan and net neutrality Johnson may be demonstrably worse than Trump is likely to be. I like him less the more I learn about him.

You love the nanny state and want more of it, of course you dislike Johnson, he is the anti nanny state.

I prefer the idea of increasing freedom over government oppression though so I'm a bigger fan of the Johnson than any of the other god damn control freaks in the race.

I could vote Jill Stien just so I could spend the next 4/8 year saying not my fault! Or Tirek because why not.

I could do the same for Johnson but it would be a waste of fuel.

 

[patient1]

Jill Stein polls half of what Johnson does, fairly consistently. Famed poll analyst Nate Silver uses data including Johnson. He has said Johnson should be included in all of the polling.

Hillary was on quite a streak there- The FBI denouncement, the Trump Convention bounce, the WikiLeaks scandal... Trump even pulled ahead of Hillary.

But then he had to go and counterpunch the Gold Star family for criticizing him, and then criticize the Republicans who objected to that, then getting back to criticizing the Gold Star family again... If I weren't a Johnson supporter I'd become a Johnson supporter.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Call it a nanny state if you like. I do want an efficient nation and I don't think we should be allowing the rich to further consolidate power. So yeah given the choice between a government that i can vote for and the rich elites who are very rapidly circling the wagons I'll take the former without remorse or hesitation.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Call it a nanny state if you like. I do want an efficient nation and I don't think we should be allowing the rich to further consolidate power. So yeah given the choice between a government that i can vote for and the rich elites who are very rapidly circling the wagons I'll take the former without remorse or hesitation.

Oh I'm sure they will keep that from happening they have done a REAL bang up job of that lately.

You do realize when they get to it they are going to let Time Warner, ATT, Xfinity and Dish write the legislation....and then they will OWN THE INTERNET right?

You will buy it from them under penalty of law, for your safety!! But the panic button they put in your house will be free however the cost of service is going up to 400 bucks a month though, imagine that!

That's damn near all D.C. does, that's all they have done for decades.....is 'regulate' mega bucks into the elites pockets. We couldn't have the income inequality that we have without the US government making it happen.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Which is one more reason to be against Gary Johnson and for anybody including Trump who isn't Gary Johnson.

Not that I think you aren't grossly exaggerating but net neutrality is a big deal.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Which is one more reason to be against Gary Johnson and for anybody including Trump who isn't Gary Johnson.

Not that I think you aren't grossly exaggerating but net neutrality is a big deal.

So you WANT it whored out to elite so they can bed us over and fuck us with it?

BRILLIANT!!

But I suppose not very shocking.

LOL I don't think I've ever met ANYONE who loved government micromanagement and corruption, or wanted more of it as much as you.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So you WANT it whored out to elite so they can bed us over and fuck us with it?

BRILLIANT!!

But I suppose not very shocking.

LOL I don't think I've ever met ANYONE who loved government micromanagement and corruption, or wanted more of it as much as you.

No. I want to prevent that. Johnson wants them to own it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No. I want to prevent that.

They CAN'T own it without government regulation and enforcement saying as much.

Which is exactly what will happen, that's what always happens when big money goes to DC.

That's how the 1% elitist are what they are. They couldn't do what they do without the governments help.

Regulation isn't inherently good...sorry it's just not and until we fix the legislation for sale situation in DC there is an EXTREMELY HIGH probability if the government goes for it they will let the top handful of ubercorps butt fuck everyone for internet.

Johnson wants them to own it.

How? He doesn't want anyone to own it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

They CAN'T own it without government regulation and enforcement saying as much.

Which is exactly what will happen, that's what always happens when big money goes to DC.

That's how the 1% elitist are what they are. They couldn't do what they do without the governments help.

Regulation isn't inherently good...sorry it's just not and until we fix the legislation for sale situation in DC there is an EXTREMELY HIGH probability if the government goes for it they will let the top handful of ubercorps butt fuck everyone for internet.



How? He doesn't want anyone to own it.

Exactly the opposite. They will own it if they are not opposed by the government.

Regulation is not inherently good. But that doesn't change the fact that this is a time when we desperately needed it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Exactly the opposite. They will own it if they are not opposed by the government.

How?

They only get to own the internet when regulation lets Comcast send FCC goons to shut any and all competition down.

They can't own the internet without government help. It's not possible.

Also why would they be opposed by the government? The government works for them and funds their campaigns, they won't oppose shit.

Regulation is not inherently good. But that doesn't change the fact that this is a time when we desperately needed it.

Why do we desperately need corruption in this case?

Why do we desperately need to turn total control of the internet over to a few elite bazzilionaires and an alphabet agency?

What will that accomplish other than concentrating wealth??

 

[Sean Renaud]

How?

They only get to own the internet when regulation lets Comcast send FCC goons to shut any and all competition down.

They can't own the internet without government help. It's not possible.

Also why would they be opposed by the government? The government works for them and funds their campaigns, they won't oppose shit.



Why do we desperately need corruption in this case?

Why do we desperately need to turn total control of the internet over to a few elite bazzilionaires and an alphabet agency?

What will that accomplish other than concentrating wealth??

Did you completely sit out the net neutrality argument, we know that is already happening. I'm serious because I can respect you simply not caring about this issue, we all have our issues that we simply don't give a shit about.

Without the government telling the companies to treat everybody equally, they won't. They've already been caught with Netflix at least once.

Why will the government betray them? Because despite your constant cynicism they do the write thing a fair amount of the time.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Did you completely sit out the net neutrality argument, we know that is already happening. I'm serious because I can respect you simply not caring about this issue, we all have our issues that we simply don't give a shit about.

I care about it. I just don't think a few companies and their FCC goon squads owning the internet is going to be a good thing.

Without the government telling the companies to treat everybody equally, they won't.

Unless they are throttling women/minorities (which they aren't) then so the fuck what?

Why will the government betray them? Because despite your constant cynicism they do the write thing a fair amount of the time.

LOL you keep telling yourself that.

The current state of affairs says BULLSHIT, DC is absolutely full of corporate whores.

I highly doubt they are about to turn around in mass and burn their gravy train to the ground.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That a free internet is important to a free society.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That a free internet is important to a free society.

Government controlled internet isn't a free internet.......

 

[Sean Renaud]

Government controlled internet isn't a free internet.......

First, it wouldn't be government controlled in any real sense of the word and it's clearly the better alternative. The other being an inevitable consolidation of wealth.

I get that you don't care and that's fine.

 

[BotanyBoy]

First, it wouldn't be government controlled in any real sense of the word

Bullshit....when I go to compete with the 5 government authorized ISP's and an alphabet agency sends a SWAT team after me for it that's about as jack booted government controlled as it gets.

and it's clearly the better alternative.

It's better than a free internet? LOL Right....

The other being an inevitable consolidation of wealth.

The most regulated police state on the planet also has the greatest wealth inequality and wealth concentration EVER SEEN.

That's not a coincidence.

The reason we have the wealth consolidation that we do is because the US government has forced it over the years. From state capitals to DC preventing people from making money ALLLLLLLLL the way to DC....industries large and small.

Limited liquor licencing, CA shoving the new cannabis market into a hand full of elites hands, ACA turning our HC over to a hand full of connected insurance companies, Monsanto using the EPA/USDA as their personal goon squads to shut down independent farmers....etc etc etc. The list goes on and on and on.

It's not about safety or fairness....it's about the money.

I get that you don't care and that's fine.

I do care, I just don't think a government imposed monopoly is a good thing or will make for a more free internet.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The alternative is a business owned internet, not a free one.

No, we do not have the greatest concentration of wealth ever seen. We simply do not. I doubt we''re even in the top 10 viewed historically.

It's not a government imposed monopoly or even similar.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The alternative is a business owned internet, not a free one.

A business can't own the internet they can only sell access/service to it.

UNLESS the government says "You HAVE to buy from these 6 companies and the FCC is shutting anyone else down."

Then it's effectively government owned.

No, we do not have the greatest concentration of wealth ever seen. We simply do not. I doubt we''re even in the top 10 viewed historically.

Bullshit. It's ranked 4th right now proportionally and volume wise the USA's top 1% is by far the wealthiest people who have ever walked the face of this planet.

It's not a government imposed monopoly or even similar.

When the government prevents competition and decides on a hand full of winners over an entire market, that's a government imposed monopoly.

 

[Sean Renaud]

A business can't own the internet they can only sell access/service to it.

UNLESS the government says "You HAVE to buy from these 6 companies and the FCC is shutting anyone else down."

Then it's effectively government owned.



Bullshit. It's ranked 4th right now proportionally and volume wise the USA's top 1% is by far the wealthiest people who have ever walked the face of this planet.



When the government prevents competition and decides on a hand full of winners over an entire market, that's a government imposed monopoly.

That part has already happened on D1. The overwhelming majority of us already have little to no choice on our internet and that's going to remain in place most likely forever.

So it's ranked 4th? That's much higher than I imagined it, what cite are you using?

 

[BotanyBoy]

That part has already happened on D1. The overwhelming majority of us already have little to no choice on our internet and that's going to remain in place most likely forever.

Well when the government only allows a hand full of service providers no shit.

You can't just go out and sell service or Comcast will send the FCC government goons after you.

JUST like Monsanto sending the USDA/EPA goons to go shut down 80-130 independent farmers a year with a 100% win rate.

Just like ACA is about getting a few insurance/HC industrial interest ULTRA rich. Doesn't have a fucking thing to do with getting Americans the best HC system for the best price possible.

BANKS!! OMG!! What a SCAM! You can go on and on and on with examples of corporate special interest using the government to shit on competition and limit customer choice.

These laws and regulations that allow this shit are NOT BY MISTAKE. The 1% got to where they are because they use the government to FORCE customers to buy from them and destroy their competition.

So it's ranked 4th? That's much higher than I imagined it, what cite are you using?

Google.

 

[dan_c00000]

First, it wouldn't be government controlled in any real sense of the word and it's clearly the better alternative. The other being an inevitable consolidation of wealth.

I get that you don't care and that's fine.

This is way bot is beyond pathetic. You can tell the following from this exchange. First, he's a shitty little bitch troll that lives in his mom's basement. Two, he's a complete liar about everything including guns, military service, businesses, his level of education, where he lives, and well basically everything.

He's clearly never read anything about net neutrality or the fights for net neutrality at the grass roots level.

He also doesn't know that the FCC, under Obama, fought to keep Comcast, Verizon, etc. from being major league assholes in providing internet service. In fact, according to one report Comcast all but declared "war" on Obama.

Because Obama, the FCC, and government are so damn evil they even put the kibosh on the Comcast-Time Warner merger that the companies basically gave up trying.

It's so easy to destroy bot with reality and embarrass the fuck out of him it's note even a challenge anymore.

Hell, I didn't even point out that the FCC is currently in court fighting all of these people over net neutrality and preventing them from rewriting the laws in their favor.

Bot this was pretty massive destruction of your asshole. You might want to think about rage quitting again.

 

[BotanyBoy]

This is way bot is beyond pathetic. You can tell the following from this exchange. First, he's a shitty little bitch troll that lives in his mom's basement. Two, he's a complete liar about everything including guns, military service, businesses, his level of education, where he lives, and well basically everything.

You mean all the lies you make up about me?



No one cares what you have to say dan.

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[Sean Renaud]

Nobody has claimed that the government doesn't protect big businesses at times. That is not the only thing that it does however and net neutrality is definitely one of those times.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nobody has claimed that the government doesn't protect big businesses at times. That is not the only thing that it does however and net neutrality is definitely one of those times.

At times? LOL

The majority of the time....proof is in the pudding. Ever increasing income/wealth inequality, more laws telling us we can't do, more police to enforce it, more prisons for those who try to improve their lot in life.

Government control over internet service will go the same way as all the others.