Pornography and masturbation

[none2_none2]

Anon2_Anon2, again thanks for covering the spectrum of your porn history.
I might not be as far along as you are in which you admitted that you had to enter a 12-step program, but I'm probably close to there. The saving grace for me here is that if I am busy with other things, I can easily forget any preoccupation that I might think I have with porn. Don't get me wrong though, I still enjoy it immensely.
In sharing information with other people (men and women) I am surprised how few actually enjoy written porn like this Literotica site. One of my favorite features from my Penthouse Magazine years were the letters and so this translated over to the Internet.
Through the written word I can develop in my own mind the pictures I want. Also in Literotica I can pick my favorite genre which include Loving Wives, Group, Gay and various others. As I mentioned before, I tend not to check out those that involve BSDM, Incest, Transexuals and the like at the extreme spectrum of sexuality. I am pretty conventional although most straights would beg to differ in that they consider any kind of bi action as extreme for them.
I think that the most interesting thing about Literotica is that they have never developed a "category" in where male bi sex is a dominant feature, or even minor. I think that the siteowners just want to keep it interesting. Profiles give away a lot though when there is one other than the obligatory "18" and over.
I am impatient no matter with the story line of careless English. Bad English and it doesn't draw my attention in the least. I have impatience with immaturity in story-writing. These include guys with 10-inch cocks or over; they also include stories with un-inventive names like Amber, Crystal, and heaven forbid with male names like Jaymie and other diminuatives like Mikie, etc., and the biggest turnoff of all is any employment of words like "boi" or some such.
I might not be the most careful writer in the world and I will admit that I have not submitted any stories yet, but if I were to write one, I will do my best and I have lots of them to share.
It sounds like I am writing to you, Anon2_Anon2, but I am writing to all of you who are reading these posts. I hope that you contribute your thoughts to this interesting conversation about porn and your favorite expression of it.

I've always loved written porn the most and , like you, it is because one's mind fills in things as desired. I too liked Penthouse Forums years ago. However, my like may have been different than yours. Unlike Playboy, at least in the Forums you most likely would run into at least one man on man situation. I think I also remember something like "Xavier Answers", but I don't remember the details. It wasn't quite as good as Forums, but I still read it too.

My tastes are pretty simple: Butch hairy muscular guy who uses his body (excluding cock) to please others. Regardless if it is a BDSM, transexual, cross dresser, incest, loving wives, etc story, my theme that I need to experience stays the same. The REAL man dishes out pleasure and this penis is not what he uses to do it. If the story is about a female, boy, an effeminate male or transexual being abused or being dominated by the big HE man, then I might as well read the Readers Digest for excitement.

As to a bi-man theme porn, I'm not sure what that would be. I assume there are plenty of stories where both a man & a woman are with another man at the same time. I think if there is some limited appeal in that genre it would be that in my limited experiences with actual bi-3somes the guys can be hot at it by themselves, but once the woman enters the picture, one of the guys starts turning on the "I'm really straight" attitude. He stops being an active participant with the guy, and is only interested in being with the woman, or watching the woman enjoy penetration by the other guy.

Still some of the pure gay genre leaves something to be desired too. I admit I can get some enjoyment from incest stories where it is the "Dad" figure who takes care of people's needs. However, some of these stories have the female figures (mothers, wives, girlfriends) abandoning families, dying, or some such other thing to keep them out of the picture. It is as if women not only don't belong in the bedroom, they should be totally excluded in the plot as soon as possible. That kind of gets really old and sometimes makes me wonder if the writer isn't just gay, but also has a deep seated dislike for women. Just because I love fucking hairy manly guys and might loose an erection if a woman accidentally opened the door, doesn't mean that I would wish to live in an exclusively male society. That is reserved for monasteries, prisons. etc. -- far removed from my life.

Mentioning the absence of women in gay porn, reminds me of a gay porno I once saw in a seedy theatre in KC. Two rough looking guys get it on in the back of a moving utility van. Unfortunately, the back door breaks open, and a straight couple is watching from behind. The wife screams continuously at her husband to not to look because something taboo is happening inside the van in front of them. (Of course the husband IS looking (as is the wife), plus he cannot close his eyes as he is driving!) It wasn't the least bit erotic in the scene, but I have to admit that it was the first time I ever laughed at porn. I had never seen "comic relief" in the middle of a porn plot (if you can call them real plots).

I should also mention that I don't care much for gay authors in short stories or novels that I have tried to read. I cannot figure out where in the world they are coming from. I've definitely have had way more than my fair share of gay sex, I just cannot relate to life in an urban gay ghetto filled with night after night of hanging around in a bar, watching drag, etc. It isn't because it is shocking behavior, but rather I find it extremely boring.

 

[Martin1110]

More Discussion

Thanks again None2_None2 for the very descriptive analysis of your porn history. Although I still can't say that I would want to be where you are at, but certainly can appreciate your journey. But whom am I kidding? I might be just where you are at if I didn't have some baggage.
Please note for all the other readers, this is not an exchange between just me and None2_None 2. Please feel free to contribute to this discussion.
I think that we know where we are at written porn, especially Literotica.
None2, you mentioned your interest in incest stories. With my now deceased father, it had never entered my mind that there could be stories of interest in that genre. My father was uncircumcised, and so no disrespect to those who are, it's just that I prefer my own kind as one who was. Familiarity breeds familiarity. I can "jive" with the daddy stories, but I guess I want to say that I wouldn't enter my father in that equation. It probably would be more like a non-relational daddy story, of course with a huge head (lol).
I don't know where further to go with this discussion. I will say that I continue to believe that good written erotica demands a carefully written story in short form! This is very difficult to do and I appreciate those who manage this. I can allow for going on to Page 2, but after that, I don't have the time.
I am going all over the board here with likes and dislikes, but I do have to enter in a writing style which I absolutely hate: It those stories that are in the second person: You this, you that. I find them extremely difficult to follow along. The problem is that I feel that the person is writing to me and yet that person is not talking to me at all. So I have to do a mental translation and that is a lot of hard work. I do think that the best writing formats are from either in a first person account or a third person.
I am still a porn nut either visual or literal. I take my pick though in what gets me off. I usually save my "end result" for the evening. But occasionally I will spill seed and I have to do laundry again (lol)
Bottom line is what gets me off.
Martin

 

[none2_none2]

1) On the topic of incest: Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating the real deal. Keep in mind that people come from different perspectives. In my case, I only lived with him for 3.5 years in my early teens. Thus there wasn't familiarity as is the case in most dad/son relationships. Likewise, he was a horrible person. More like a jailer than a parent -- he loved controling and abusing people. He also was rather uber-hetero - meaning that women always took center stage. Thus don't expect much praise from him as other males were basically competition. So back in those years, I had fantasies of dominating him making him take care of my needs, making him pay attention to me. When you're only 11 years old and living with a bully who is twice your size, you have to take power back -- at least in your head to keep your sanity. (I hear even straight inmates fantasize about fucking their prison guards. Not because they are bi/gay, but as a way of getting back some control even if it is in a dream.) He wasn't the hottest looking guy I had ever seen, and he wasn't that hairy...

Now this isn't about oh what a horrible childhood I had. I'm about a decade of maturity past that. We also get along fine. I know he simply has a lot of flaws. Also, I cannot imagine any sexual interest. This isn't just because he is older now, but because he didn't take care of his body and his personality still leaves a lot to be desired. To have sex with him would be about as interesting as having sex with a frozen butterball turkey. Now others that may write or read this genre, there story might be a bit different.

2) I'm sure other's will chime in this thread when they want to. I don't think we scared them off.

3) Uncut/cut. I would be lying to say that there aren't uncut cocks that from a visual perspective, look very nice to the eye -- if that is what one is looking for. However, in practice I have had a few uncut guys that literally made me nauseated from the smell of not cleaning or the head cheese which to me looks like little maggots. IF someone constantly keeps it constantly clean, then it makes no difference to me.

4) Second person narriated porn: Definitely a bore. I don't know why, but it comes across to me as someone who is desperate for attention by addressing their reader directly. 1st/3rd person is easier to feel like you can observe, yet be a bit voyeuristically"hidden" from the plot".

5) I meant to add that I still take care of matters throughout the day. However, as I'm sure that you know male plumbing tends to give a guy a bit more assistance in that task early in the morning. I make the best of that advantage.

 

[Martin1110]

More Discussion, Do I Hear a Sigh?

Well, I know what you do first thing in the morning (lol).

Actually there isn't much more that I can add to this discussion and so probably you might not hear from me for a while unless something very interesting comes up.

Since this discussion is about pornography (more or less) and we've covered pretty much the literary aspect of it, I'll make a few comments on visual porn, specifically that in film.

I said before that my favorite button on the remote control is the fast forward button as I tend to get impatient with repetitive action. Since I rarely rent movies anymore, I am saving on battery life in the remote control. So almost all porn that view is from the Internet. There's very little difference actually. Porn directors and producers do no better on the Internet and again, I do a lot of fast forwarding.

There are gems however that I must save. I bought an external hard drive last year to accommodate all that I am saving and to not fill up the hard drive on the desktop. I call it my "black box" and it travels everywhere with me. I have quite an extensive collection. I am a "member" of many pay sites which I justify as no different than running downtown to rent movies. The only difference is that there isn't any pick and choose. You have to accept whatever updates there are. Some weeks are good and others not so good.

I think my favorite of visual porn is of the amateur kind but again, these site owners sometimes use the lowest common denominator, e.g., a 20-minute blowjob without a single variation. That really pisses me off but then the suckers are we the consumer who pay. What amazes me more than anything though is that feedback on "bad" clips are positive and it reiterates to me that the consumer has no imagination either. I think that if feedback was more discerning then the producers would pay a bit more attention. I mince no words in feedback when I feel it is not good and of course, I am not popular.

This gamut of visual porn includes straight, bi and gay. I do belong to a site that has a daily update or two of professional porn. Most of these are European in origin. Since I am an equal opportunity player in that both the male and female genitalia hold interest, it is of further interest to notice how the different American and European pornography differ from each other. Maybe I should save this for further discussion to keep this thread alive (lol).

 

[NakedMale]

Love your messages on masturbation. I am married but still love to cum on my own. I have just took lots of pictures of myself and put them on a website, looking at the published pics that are open for all to see turned me on an amazing amount. when I came I came in bucket loads. It made me wonder what it would be like to give a man a blow job. Maybe I am confused or just discovering myself. The website is on my profile

 

[DarkBee]

As a single guy I rely primarily on porn for my sexual satisfaction (check my interests at my profile page).

Looking at my porn collection I've downloaded: Asian lesbians, Black (BBW) lesbians, lesbian fisting, lesbian pissing, lesbian scat, shemales, hermaphrodites, mature lesbians and some random vintage lesbian clips. See where I'm going? Having a guy in the scene just doesn't do it for me.

Anyway, since I've discovered porn at age 14, I always wanted to see different kinds of porn and more fetishes. I'm practically an amateur sexologist when it comes to fetishes! I also love P2P-programs and .torrent-sites, because I'm too cheap to pay for my porn (or music) now that I have my own internet connection. I still have quite a collection of DVD's and CD-Rom's, but I hardly ever watch those anymore. As I said before: I always want new things, that's why I never stop downloading.

 

[AZLovelyLady]

Porn: Can too much be too much?

Porn can be wonderful, but I think that it can also desensitize your imagination.
Before so much access to the internet and surfing the web for porn, my fantasies were my own. I had to use my imagination and my fantasy life was very rich and I had the best orgasms from them. But now I'm noticing that my imagination muscles are very weak and I rely mainly on images from skin flicks to get off. I've even been on a porn "diet", to see if I can strengthen my imagination muscles, and even then I still relied on past images I've seen.
I'm also growing very tired of all the acting that's in porn--even amateur porn seems to be more and more staged and contrived.
Has anyone else experienced this? Any recommendations to alternative porn that's more realistic?

 

[Martin1110]

Acting in Porn

Well, porn is porn and acting is only a byproduct of it. Some jurisdictions in the US require that porn have a story line in order for it to be shown on the "big screen" in X-rated movie theaters. As would be obvious, it is the worst porn. Face it, there aren't any Golden Globes or Oscars to be handed out in this genre. Since there aren't that many theaters nowadays due to many factors, I would think that acting in porn would go the wayside.
As for amateur porn which in reality is just porn for porn's sake, there's very little acting in it. Even then, there is the occasional man or woman who try to put their best front forward especially in projecting how much they are "enjoying" themselves, yet it is obvious that it is staged. These are mostly expressed in their faces.
So AZLovelyLady, you are not alone in noticing this particular dynamic in amateur porn. To me there is nothing worse than the "snarled lip," the "pursed lip," the "showing of all the teeth," the "eyes rolling to the back of the head," etc. Yes, we generate our pleasure in facial expressions or sounds but when was the last time your eyes rolled to the back of your head? Probably never. I exaggerate of course, but we are not acting.
Amateur porn producers are capitalizing on the fact that most of the viewership are the ones that are not jaded like we are. These are people who are "newbies" and there are thousands of them everyday who discover the wide world of the Internet, dirt or no dirt. In time, it will be their turn to become jaded. We have had ours but for the producers we are not where the money is made. So bad porn gets made over and over and over again, ad nauseam.
I appreciate AZLovelyLady in which imagination played a dominant part in our masturbation history. It certainly was mine in the early years only because of how old I am (approaching 60). Probably the one difference is that men rely much more heavily on the visual than women do. I still rely on visual porn and I collect the best of the best in porn in my "black box" which I mentioned in an earlier post under this thread.
One other point that I might make is that porn is geared for the young. There is no room for anything else. Anyone over 25 is washed out and not worth consideration that those who are over 25 are still very much sexual beings. I don't know how old you are AZLovelyLady, but if there is one certainty, it's how fast time goes. Yesterday I was that magical age of 25 and tomorrow I will be 60 (figuratively so as I'll have to wait another month and a half).
If I had some kind of zap power to eliminate people from the face of the earth it would be those who mock the older people. I never did that when I was their age and so why should they now. Older people have a responsibility too in considering the generational differences and mutual attractions. Older people can't always assume that someone a minute over 18 is up for grabs.
I think I am quite satisfied where I am at. I still masturbate everyday (in keeping with the line of the thread). Imagination or visual, I take the best that there is and work from that point.

 

[leglicker]

looking

i think watching a porn helps me more than just looking at pictures but it has to be a good porn, with somewhat of a plot. my stepsister count me jacking off to a porn she was 10 years older than i was i was 16 then and i tryed to hide my cock but she said don't hide your cock i want to watch so i started pumping up and down but this time i was looking at my stepsister and she was looking at my 10in. cock,then i said if you would show me your tits and pussy this would help me cum and she took off her shirt and bra and pulled up her dress and took off her now wet panties and tossed then to me,i was laying down on the couch and had my stepsisters panties on my face,they smelled good, then i looked over at my stepsister and she had two fingers in her pussy and pumping them in and out while the fingers on her other hand was pulling hard on her nipples and that was all it took i shot cum all over my stomach and my legs and i heard her cumming to,she was screaming oh my god, so i think if your going to masturbate have someone watch you or even give you a hand this is much better than a porn movie or looking at pictures. leglicker

 

[Nimbikarana]

as a preop transgirl i tend to feel guilty for masturbation/porn because i've always been told it's such a male thing and i'm trying to be as girly as possible

 

[mynameiskate]

It has got to be a video. Pictures just don't do it for me...anymore.

 

[DarkBee]

I agree, moving images work much better.

 

[nbghyt56]

as a preop transgirl i tend to feel guilty for masturbation/porn because i've always been told it's such a male thing and i'm trying to be as girly as possible

nonsense, i'm friends with a few very feminine girls with porn and sextoy collections that are quite extensive. what's so sexy and feminine about them is they know what they like and are not afraid of exploring their sexuality.

 

[infinity706]

For me, it is watching gay videos, lesbian is all about reading it, and straight I go either way. Which is good cause he likes me to find good straight movies and do me while watching them.

Course I do enjoy watching lesbian videos, but not very often and never for very long, the videos are always all about open mouth kissing with just the tongues touching and dildo/strap on play, rarely is there much actual licking. Total turn off for me, i want a woman for all the things that men can't give me, not because they have breasts and a pussy hidden under a strap on.

Well, it could be because you're watching pro porn. It's designed to make girl on girl out to be what they think guys would want it to be. Afterall, a guy would probably want to be pounding a woman with his cock, right? It's just double the women and the cock is plastic. I'm sure if you find some amateur girl on girl, you'll get to see plenty of licking and sucking. All the amateur ones shot by the couples I've seen had a ton of kissing and licking all over.

 

[bisexualsmoker]

I often find partially clothed women more erotic than fully naked

That's true.Leaves more to the imagination as well.The obvious is
often the least enticing of the possible choices.

 

[Nimbikarana]

nonsense, i'm friends with a few very feminine girls with porn and sextoy collections that are quite extensive. what's so sexy and feminine about them is they know what they like and are not afraid of exploring their sexuality.

Oh I know that intellectually. Just that I've been so brainwashed that such is my first instinctual reaction.

 

[redpaint]

Movies first, stories second. Pictures don't get me going by themselves.

I'm pretty much the same way.

 

[DarkBee]

I do have an extensive collection of different kinds of pics, but that's more for my screensaver and AV's/sig pics.

 

[Martin1110]

Lesbian Porn

Well, it could be because you're watching pro porn. It's designed to make girl on girl out to be what they think guys would want it to be.

There really isn't any genuine Lesbian porn. I still say that women are not geared for the visual (there are exceptions, of course), and so there wouldn't be a market for it.

The Lesbian porn that is the sine qua non of many film clips that you see are only fantasies for the male. The women are usually the "lipstick" kind of Lesbian in professional porn and not at all indicative of true life. These women are paid to do this. Men are paid to do gay sex, but that is far less common. Pro porn women are probably by and large straight but they don't have any hangups "doing each other" as long as the money comes rolling in.

I think that the genre of Lesbian sex in porn would dry up fast if the "lipstick" gals were taken out of the equation for the guys. Put a couple of "dykes" together (not to disparage them though) and the guys would start complaining.

So, in other words, the current lesbian porn is geared for the guy's fantasy and nothing else.

 

[ima6uldv8]

Pictures do it for me. Either on the computer on in a magazine. Also, I love the audio section. That really gets my juices flowing. Getting off while listening to others climax is so very hot.