POTUS mis speaking.

[NeverEndingMe]

That's why Russia rolled right over Afghanistan.

this is why muslium men wear skirts as they are little girls. just ask SeanR, he's a girl too

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Bitch I eat brownies!

does foodstamps cover that?

 

[Boxlicker101]

First, a verse by the Narzarene should be utterly unnecessary, unless you are going to hold Christians to the same standard on gay marriage. Which he also never to my knowledge speaks of. Or on abortion which isn't to my knowledge mentioned at all in the Bible which I've read several times cover to cover. Though to be honest it gets flowery at times and perhaps one of those verses about women and blood was about abortion and I just never put together that the leaves of the such and such tree before bleeding meant X.

Second what's that got to do with using your religion to justify an act?

Ah, I see you want to move the goal posts. All I have been doing is refuting the words of Obama and of UD to the effect that slavery and Jim Crow laws were justified by Christianity, which they were not. There is no connection at all in the NT and no clear connection in the OT, which preceded the Christian Era anyhow.

UD quoted the former Confederate bigwig but he actually made no reference to Christianity, although UD tried to twist his words, which were twisted enough in the first place. I agree the Nazarene makes no reference to either homosexuality or abortion. I'm not sure, but I think the blood you mention is a reference to menstruation. Lacking modern surgical techniques and facilities, an induced abortion would have been quite painful and risky to women. There have always been spontaneous abortions, but those are another matter entirely.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by NeverEndingMe

kingofAssTards, can't accept the fact that muslims and islamic nutjobs make for a very weak military. hell, the girl scouts could take over 1/2 of their "land"

seanR would get his ass kick by a girl in the Brownies

That's why Russia rolled right over Afghanistan.

That was why Israel kicked Muslim ass so easily every time they fought and how the allies did the same to Iraq in the Gulf Wars.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Originally Posted by NeverEndingMe

kingofAssTards, can't accept the fact that muslims and islamic nutjobs make for a very weak military. hell, the girl scouts could take over 1/2 of their "land"

seanR would get his ass kick by a girl in the Brownies



That was why Israel kicked Muslim ass so easily every time they fought and how the allies did the same to Iraq in the Gulf Wars.

you have to love the obama kind ... they just have a different reality. guessing one has to be on drugs, to believe in the obama

 

[Sean Renaud]

Ah, I see you want to move the goal posts. All I have been doing is refuting the words of Obama and of UD to the effect that slavery and Jim Crow laws were justified by Christianity, which they were not. There is no connection at all in the NT and no clear connection in the OT, which preceded the Christian Era anyhow.

UD quoted the former Confederate bigwig but he actually made no reference to Christianity, although UD tried to twist his words, which were twisted enough in the first place. I agree the Nazarene makes no reference to either homosexuality or abortion. I'm not sure, but I think the blood you mention is a reference to menstruation. Lacking modern surgical techniques and facilities, an induced abortion would have been quite painful and risky to women. There have always been spontaneous abortions, but those are another matter entirely.

First I set no goal posts. If we are using goal posts we should use the ones the President set no?

Which is simply that the Christian religion has been used to excuse attrocities as recently as the 1960's (and that's if you pretend gay marriage and abortion are religiously driven and that if you had ZERO political power that those here and there abortion bombers wouldn't quickly multiply.) and that today religion is being used to justify horrible things in the name of Islam. Things that the majority don't agree with. That is all that ways said, nothing more and nothing less.

And there have been induced abortions recorded as far back as ancient Egypt probably farther but records get kinda sketchy even in that era. Childbirth is both painful and risky to women as well. It's easy to forget that without modern technology it wasn't uncommon for women to die in birth. It's not a coincidence you read all those old timey stories where mommy just isn't around.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

If you can find any biblical reference in which the Nazarene speaks or writes favorably about slavery, I will concede you are right.

For a start, Jesus of Nazareth didn't write anything that we know of.

A read of Luke chapter 7 will make it clear to anybody with a brain that Jesus had no problem with slavery. He is met with a centurion who asks him to heal one of his slaves, which he does, or at least claims credit for. He mentions his admiration for that centurion to the locals, but not a word against owning another human being.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing_the_centurion's_servant

Also, Paul's epistles are full of advice for slaves and slaveholders, without once mentioning that slavery is in any way bad.

1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

 

[Boxlicker101]

First I set no goal posts. If we are using goal posts we should use the ones the President set no?

Which is simply that the Christian religion has been used to excuse attrocities as recently as the 1960's (and that's if you pretend gay marriage and abortion are religiously driven and that if you had ZERO political power that those here and there abortion bombers wouldn't quickly multiply.) and that today religion is being used to justify horrible things in the name of Islam. Things that the majority don't agree with. That is all that ways said, nothing more and nothing less.

And there have been induced abortions recorded as far back as ancient Egypt probably farther but records get kinda sketchy even in that era. Childbirth is both painful and risky to women as well. It's easy to forget that without modern technology it wasn't uncommon for women to die in birth. It's not a coincidence you read all those old timey stories where mommy just isn't around.

I agree those should be the goal posts.

However, Obama made no reference to either gay marriage or induced abortions or opposition to it. Personally, I believe an adult should be able to form a marriage contract with any other adult and I am solidly pro-choice on abortions. I also believe opposition to these things is based on religion.

I would quibble some with what he said about the Crusades and less with his statement about the Inquisition, although both were, at least partly, responses to earlier Muslim misdeeds. However, I totally disagree with what Obama said about slavery and Jim Crow Laws and their relationship to slavery, for reasons I have stated in previous posts.

I also contend the terrible crimes being perpetrated by Boko Haram and ISIS and other Muslim groups make anything done by Christians look like a kindergarten birthday party.

 

[RjThoughts]

I agree those should be the goal posts.

However, Obama made no reference to either gay marriage or induced abortions or opposition to it. Personally, I believe an adult should be able to form a marriage contract with any other adult and I am solidly pro-choice on abortions. I also believe opposition to these things is based on religion.

I would quibble some with what he said about the Crusades and less with his statement about the Inquisition, although both were, at least partly, responses to earlier Muslim misdeeds. However, I totally disagree with what Obama said about slavery and Jim Crow Laws and their relationship to slavery, for reasons I have stated in previous posts.

I also contend the terrible crimes being perpetrated by Boko Haram and ISIS and other Muslim groups make anything done by Christians look like a kindergarten birthday party.

I have some relatives living on reservations that might differ with you.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I have some relatives living on reservations that might differ with you.

why don't you share your welfare with them?

 

[Boxlicker101]

For a start, Jesus of Nazareth didn't write anything that we know of.

A read of Luke chapter 7 will make it clear to anybody with a brain that Jesus had no problem with slavery. He is met with a centurion who asks him to heal one of his slaves, which he does, or at least claims credit for. He mentions his admiration for that centurion to the locals, but not a word against owning another human being.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing_the_centurion's_servant

Also, Paul's epistles are full of advice for slaves and slaveholders, without once mentioning that slavery is in any way bad.

1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Whether Jesus wrote anything or not, he certainly said a lot, which is why I said "speaks or writes" in the post you are citing.

The link refers to servants. Without doubt, rich people often had servants and some still do.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I agree those should be the goal posts.

-snip-​

I would quibble some with what he said about the Crusades and less with his statement about the Inquisition, although both were, at least partly, responses to earlier Muslim misdeeds. However, I totally disagree with what Obama said about slavery and Jim Crow Laws and their relationship to slavery, for reasons I have stated in previous posts.

I also contend the terrible crimes being perpetrated by Boko Haram and ISIS and other Muslim groups make anything done by Christians look like a kindergarten birthday party.

First at some point we simply have to stop caring about who started it. The Christians quite simply were not the original owners of the land and what we think of as the Christians were the Romans who clearly took the land from the original various tribes (including Isreal) in the region and prior to that I'm unaware of any particularly reliable records outside that at various points Egypt and Babylon owned the land but Christians were by no rational measure the original owners. If you want to argue that if nobody is alive who was born before these slights were done fine.

Your disagreement with what Obama said about Slavery it's a matter of history. Slavery supporters They point to the Ten Commandments, noting that "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, ... nor his manservant, nor his maidservant." In the New Testament, Paul returned a runaway slave, Philemon, to his master, and, although slavery was widespread throughout the Roman world, Jesus never spoke out against it. Not something you or I can dispute. Now if you want do disagree that is what was meant. . .I think the Bible was written thousands of years ago and us taking advise from them makes no sense but still right there.

Jim Crow is really a separate issue no matter how connected they appear on the surface. But we can simply look up how much out of the way Israelites went to marry within the tribe to know that racism was alive and well back then and how many tribes they slaughtered. People like to pretend like Jesus wiped out the old Testament but not only did he not say that but I've never met this legendary Christian who actually acts that way. It seems like the general rule is if Jesus didn't have a specific comment on it than the Old Testament stands. Hense things like gay marriage.

If you think the things done today make the the things done by Vlad the Impaler look like a kintergarten party that's just your ignorance showing. Honestly they don't even make the things done by the Nazi's or Japanese done. If 10% of the stories that are told about Vietnam are true they don't surpass what either side did in that conflict.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

more derp from SeanR


just looking for excuses

 

[cjh]

Originally Posted by NeverEndingMe

kingofAssTards, can't accept the fact that muslims and islamic nutjobs make for a very weak military. hell, the girl scouts could take over 1/2 of their "land"

seanR would get his ass kick by a girl in the Brownies



That was why Israel kicked Muslim ass so easily every time they fought and how the allies did the same to Iraq in the Gulf Wars.

That's why we've pulled all of our troops out of Afghanistan.

Right?

 

[phrodeau]

Whether Jesus wrote anything or not, he certainly said a lot, which is why I said "speaks or writes" in the post you are citing.

The link refers to servants. Without doubt, rich people often had servants and some still do.

The Greek word "doulos" means "slave". There are other Greek words for "servant".

http://www.puritanboard.com/f128/doulos-new-testament-44214/

I suppose if Jesus ever said slavery was a bad thing, those words weren't deemed important enough to put into the Gospels.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Greek word "doulos" means "slave". There are other Greek words for "servant".

http://www.puritanboard.com/f128/doulos-new-testament-44214/

I suppose if Jesus ever said slavery was a bad thing, those words weren't deemed important enough to put into the Gospels.

This was included in your link on Post 82:

Author John Clowes commented that the use of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob refers to the degree of blessedness by which people are admitted to the feast, in that Abraham signifies the celestial degree, Isaac the spiritual and Jacob the natural degree.[3]

Only Luke 7:2 refers to the servant as doulos, unambiguously meaning "servant". Elsewhere the term translated from the Greek as "servant" is pais, which can be translated in a number of different ways including "child" (e.g., Matt 2:16; Luke 2:43,8:51-54 where it refers to a girl), "son" (John 4:51), "servant" (Luke 15:26, Acts 4:25), or be unclear whether "son" or "servant" is meant.[4] (this word is cognate to the root of the term "pederasty," which was already in widespread use at the time).

The Gospel of John narrates a similar account of Jesus healing the son of a royal official at Capernaum at a distance in John 4:46-54. Some, such as in Fred Craddock in his commentary on Luke,[5] treats them as the same miracle. However, in his analysis of Matthew, R. T. France presents linguistic arguments against the equivalence of pais and son and considers these two separate miracles.[6] Merrill C. Tenney in his commentary on John[7] and Orville Daniel in his Gospel harmony[8] also consider them two different incidents.


Of course, slavery was common throughout the Roman Empire at the time and, if the Nazarene says nothing about it, that would mean he neither opposes it nor condones it, but just accepts it. In other words, as I said earlier, he says nothing negative about it.

 

[phrodeau]

This was included in your link on Post 82:

Author John Clowes commented that the use of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob refers to the degree of blessedness by which people are admitted to the feast, in that Abraham signifies the celestial degree, Isaac the spiritual and Jacob the natural degree.[3]

Only Luke 7:2 refers to the servant as doulos, unambiguously meaning "servant". Elsewhere the term translated from the Greek as "servant" is pais, which can be translated in a number of different ways including "child" (e.g., Matt 2:16; Luke 2:43,8:51-54 where it refers to a girl), "son" (John 4:51), "servant" (Luke 15:26, Acts 4:25), or be unclear whether "son" or "servant" is meant.[4] (this word is cognate to the root of the term "pederasty," which was already in widespread use at the time).

The Gospel of John narrates a similar account of Jesus healing the son of a royal official at Capernaum at a distance in John 4:46-54. Some, such as in Fred Craddock in his commentary on Luke,[5] treats them as the same miracle. However, in his analysis of Matthew, R. T. France presents linguistic arguments against the equivalence of pais and son and considers these two separate miracles.[6] Merrill C. Tenney in his commentary on John[7] and Orville Daniel in his Gospel harmony[8] also consider them two different incidents.


Of course, slavery was common throughout the Roman Empire at the time and, if the Nazarene says nothing about it, that would mean he neither opposes it nor condones it, but just accepts it. In other words, as I said earlier, he says nothing negative about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doulos

In ancient Greece, a slave (δοῦλος)

The article you quoted doesn't address the meaning of the word accurately. It seems more concerned with defining the relationship as one of a gay couple, with a link to support that view.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That was why Israel kicked Muslim ass so easily every time they fought and how the allies did the same to Iraq in the Gulf Wars.

How much equipment did we give/sell them again?

 

[KingOrfeo]

All I have been doing is refuting the words of Obama and of UD to the effect that slavery and Jim Crow laws were justified by Christianity, which they were not.

Whether Christianity justifies those things depends on your scriptural interpretation, but is a matter of historical fact that some people invoked Christianity to justify them. (Some still do.) That is all Obama was saying.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yes the land stolen from its original Christian owners by the Muslims after centuries of jihad.

There are no "original owners" in Palestine.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

The region was dominated by Christians prior to the birth of Muhammad, historical fact.

Fuck the Crusaders, Turks, Arabs, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Jews, Philistines -- they're all damned imperialist colonizers! Canaanite Power!

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

Remember KO, Rome itself was Christian and Constantine The Great ruled from Constantinople (present day Istanbul Turkey) centuries before Islam existed.

Which gave Christians as such no better historical claim to Palestine than anyone else who ever held it.

 

[domroger]

Which gave Christians as such no better historical claim to Palestine than anyone else who ever held it.

Being pedantic I have to point out that the Roman Empire was Pagan for the majority of its existence .